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Is it possible that you could be so clueless? Does slavery being around since the beginning of civilization justify American slavery, or any slavery at ANY time in history? How is that not knowing what an American really is? I've touched on slavery in the U.S. and elsewhere in my posts, and in the last one, and it is immoral and inhuman no matter where it happened or happens. What does slavery being around forever have to do with blacks not being able to enlist or play the national sport? And yes, been a hard road for blacks, but they are perhaps better treated and understood in the U.S. than anywhere else. Disreguard that if you wish, it's your way.
I just want to blame America? I love the U.S. But facts are facts. No nation, including yours, is exempt from criticism. If I say Germany started two world wars, does that make me anti-German? Got it? Your kind of defence is simply denial, else, quit the anti-American BS and tell me if what I claimed is history or not.
The black vote number was in response to one of Rogue's ridiculous claims.
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Slavery was a common practice across many nations. America did correct its mistake while many countries continued (or continue) to practice slavery. Yet, that's not enough for you. Baseball? Please. Sorry bumpkin, you'll never understand. Those are just the facts. See, you and others do not want racism to end because then you'd have to face the truth. No crutch to fall back on whenever you're flat out wrong. jacqazz, you're a socialist. America is not. Get used to it cause we're not changing for you. As far as this country is concerned, you'll always be unAmerican and irrelevant. Got it? LMAO!!!
Jacques thinks that there never were black slaves in Canada!!!

Slavery in Canada
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Yep, the French-Canadians were guilty of slavery too!

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Main article: Slavery in New France
In 1628 the first recorded slave in Canada was brought by a British Convoy to New France. Olivier le Jeune was the name given to the boy originally from Madagascar. His given name resonates with the Code Noir. Although loosely established, the Code Noir forced baptisms and decreed the conversion of all slaves to Catholicism.
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We did not invent slavery, to be sure. But what we certainly did was to ignore our own principles in the Declaration, which had said that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and that all men had the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
While slavery is evil in all countries, it is exceptionally evil for a country that held that "all men are created equal" and that all men had the right to liberty, to hold people in slavery.
To do so required a kind of magical thinking, that black people were not human, and hence did not have the rights specified by the Declaration. But, since even well before the Civil War it was obvious that blacks were performing complex tasks and tending to the children of whites, it was obvious that they were human. So the institution of slavery in the USA was obviously something entirely different from that in Roman times etc, when the losers in wars became slaves and that was that.
We are not specially evil. But we ought to be specially embarrassed and shocked by our history, and to do in the future everything that we can to make sure that all men are treated equally.
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So logical. But, boy, are you gonna get it. Duck, you're unAmerican.
I agree, slavery is an abomination but no matter how they got here, blacks should be grateful for being an American. Do you know why they call Africa the "Dark Continent'?
http://clicksomemore.blogspot.com/2012/10/tel...
My God, Africa has gone nowhere for two thousand years. If it were not for Europeans, Africa would be even darker!!!
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So, your response to facts is, and allow me to quote you : "Sorry bumpkin, you'll never understand. No crutch to fall back on whenever you're flat out wrong. jacqazz, you're a socialist. America is not. Get used to it cause we're not changing for you. As far as this country is concerned, you'll always be unAmerican and irrelevant. Got it? LMAO!"
So, the crux of your response is I'm a socialist? That's it? that's your reasoning? And America is not? Do you mean North, Central, South America? Who? Not changing for us? Not changing what? I'm unAmerican and irrelevant? What's the relevance?
Do not assume. Do you ever listen? Where is your rant against Egypt (as well as many others) and its slavery? I never hear it, only your rant against America! I see you're pulling that old which one are you talking about, North, Central or South. Your games will get you nowhere. You'll never understand what it is to be an American. Just accept it! Racism is kept alive not by those who "enslaved" but instead by those who were freed. If all else fails, it must be racism. BS and you're full of exactly that.
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Is it possible that you could be so clueless? Does slavery being around since the beginning of civilization justify American slavery, or any slavery at ANY time in history? How is that not knowing what an American really is? I've touched on slavery in the U.S. and elsewhere in my posts, and in the last one, and it is immoral and inhuman no matter where it happened or happens. What does slavery being around forever have to do with blacks not being able to enlist or play the national sport? And yes, been a hard road for blacks, but they are perhaps better treated and understood in the U.S. than anywhere else. Disreguard that if you wish, it's your way.
I just want to blame America? I love the U.S. But facts are facts. No nation, including yours, is exempt from criticism. If I say Germany started two world wars, does that make me anti-German? Got it? Your kind of defence is simply denial, else, quit the anti-American BS and tell me if what I claimed is history or not.
The black vote number was in response to one of Rogue's ridiculous claims.
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Jacques thinks that there never were black slaves in Canada!!!
Slavery in Canada
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Slavery in what now comprises Canada existed into the 1830's, when slavery was officially abolished.
Rogue , you are again being unfair, and what's more, pretending that I never discussed your above statement that there was slavery in Canada. First off, I made it clear that, historically, the U.S. is by far not the only nation that fostered slavery. Also, you ignore that I also wrote, today and at other times, that blacks, today, in the U.S., are probably the most fairly treated worldwide. But it's been a long process.

As to Canada, well, yes, I repeat, you're unfair. I am never ever holier-than-thou. My country is far, very far, from having an unblemished history. Even today, it is a long way from perfect, particularly with the kind of conservative government we elected 6 years ago. As to Canadian slavery, it has been, from the outset, illegal, based on it being declared illegal by what was then our colonial master, the United Kingdom. You're unfair, as I've told you this before, but you pretend I never did. Slavery, I repeat, was never officially sanctioned in Canada, eitber as a colony or a sovereign country (1867). However, aboriginals DID practive slavery. No denial. It didn't last long. Any further comments?

Ever heard of the "underground railroad?". Where do you think it ended? Northern U.S. AND Canada. Why Canada if, as you incorrectly say, we had slavery? We didn't. We never did, except in aboriginal tribes and that was stopped. Many of those slaves ended up in Nova Scotia, in the capital, Halifax, where today they are numerous, live in pockets and to tell the truth, I'm not proud of the way we've treated them and continue to do so today. I suppose you will also conveniently forget that comment as you have others.
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Rogue , you are again being unfair, and what's more, pretending that I never discussed your above statement that there was slavery in Canada. First off, I made it clear that, historically, the U.S. is by far not the only nation that fostered slavery. Also, you ignore that I also wrote, today and at other times, that blacks, today, in the U.S., are probably the most fairly treated worldwide. But it's been a long process.
As to Canada, well, yes, I repeat, you're unfair. I am never ever holier-than-thou. My country is far, very far, from having an unblemished history. Even today, it is a long way from perfect, particularly with the kind of conservative government we elected 6 years ago. As to Canadian slavery, it has been, from the outset, illegal, based on it being declared illegal by what was then our colonial master, the United Kingdom. You're unfair, as I've told you this before, but you pretend I never did. Slavery, I repeat, was never officially sanctioned in Canada, eitber as a colony or a sovereign country (1867). However, aboriginals DID practive slavery. No denial. It didn't last long. Any further comments?
Ever heard of the "underground railroad?". Where do you think it ended? Northern U.S. AND Canada. Why Canada if, as you incorrectly say, we had slavery? We didn't. We never did, except in aboriginal tribes and that was stopped. Many of those slaves ended up in Nova Scotia, in the capital, Halifax, where today they are numerous, live in pockets and to tell the truth, I'm not proud of the way we've treated them and continue to do so today. I suppose you will also conveniently forget that comment as you have others.
What difference does it make whether slavery was officially sanctioned or not? None. "I am never ever holier than thou"? LMAO at that one! You should go into the manure business because you sure produce enough of it.
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Rogue , you are again being unfair, and what's more, pretending that I never discussed your above statement that there was slavery in Canada. First off, I made it clear that, historically, the U.S. is by far not the only nation that fostered slavery. Also, you ignore that I also wrote, today and at other times, that blacks, today, in the U.S., are probably the most fairly treated worldwide. But it's been a long process.
As to Canada, well, yes, I repeat, you're unfair. I am never ever holier-than-thou. My country is far, very far, from having an unblemished history. Even today, it is a long way from perfect, particularly with the kind of conservative government we elected 6 years ago. As to Canadian slavery, it has been, from the outset, illegal, based on it being declared illegal by what was then our colonial master, the United Kingdom. You're unfair, as I've told you this before, but you pretend I never did. Slavery, I repeat, was never officially sanctioned in Canada, eitber as a colony or a sovereign country (1867). However, aboriginals DID practive slavery. No denial. It didn't last long. Any further comments?
Ever heard of the "underground railroad?". Where do you think it ended? Northern U.S. AND Canada. Why Canada if, as you incorrectly say, we had slavery? We didn't. We never did, except in aboriginal tribes and that was stopped. Many of those slaves ended up in Nova Scotia, in the capital, Halifax, where today they are numerous, live in pockets and to tell the truth, I'm not proud of the way we've treated them and continue to do so today. I suppose you will also conveniently forget that comment as you have others.
Notice how jacqazz tries to "justify" slavery in his own country by saying it wasn't officially sanctioned and it didn't last long! Good job jacqazz. LMAO
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Just for fun. It's about us old guys.

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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Ellen1 wrote:
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We did not invent slavery, to be sure. But what we certainly did was to ignore our own principles in the Declaration, which had said that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and that all men had the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
While slavery is evil in all countries, it is exceptionally evil for a country that held that "all men are created equal" and that all men had the right to liberty, to hold people in slavery.
To do so required a kind of magical thinking, that black people were not human, and hence did not have the rights specified by the Declaration. But, since even well before the Civil War it was obvious that blacks were performing complex tasks and tending to the children of whites, it was obvious that they were human. So the institution of slavery in the USA was obviously something entirely different from that in Roman times etc, when the losers in wars became slaves and that was that.
We are not specially evil. But we ought to be specially embarrassed and shocked by our history, and to do in the future everything that we can to make sure that all men are treated equally.
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I agree, slavery is an abomination but no matter how they got here, blacks should be grateful for being an American. Do you know why they call Africa the "Dark Continent'?
http://clicksomemore.blogspot.com/2012/10/tel...
My God, Africa has gone nowhere for two thousand years. If it were not for Europeans, Africa would be even darker!!!
Re: "I agree, slavery is an abomination but no matter how they got here, blacks should be grateful for being an American. Do you know why they call Africa the "Dark Continent'?

I think it is likely that virtually all blacks are indeed happy to be Americans, but that does not excuse the fact that Americans who believed "that ALL men are created equal" and that all men are entitled to liberty had held blacks as slaves for nearly 100 years after the words "ALL men are created equal" were written.

Nor does explain the fact that in order to hold those people as slaves, some Americans must have believed that they were not human, since if they were human they would have been entitled to be treated as equals and to have the right of liberty, specified in "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

The rationalization that by taking blacks from Africa and civilizing them and teaching them the Christian religions was a benefit that we conferred was used by the slaveholders as their rationalization. Gradually it dawned on the anti-slave part of America that if you could hold people as slaves, then it was legal and proper to rape their women. But, oddly, that fact was not noticed by the slave-holders.

Like you, I do not believe that America must carry a burden of guilt forever. However, there is a special way of looking at "American exceptionalism." Since we had the special honor of recognizing that all men are created equal and that all men are entitled to liberty, and since we violated that ideal, then we carry an exceptional responsibility.
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Re: "I agree, slavery is an abomination but no matter how they got here, blacks should be grateful for being an American. Do you know why they call Africa the "Dark Continent'?
I think it is likely that virtually all blacks are indeed happy to be Americans, but that does not excuse the fact that Americans who believed "that ALL men are created equal" and that all men are entitled to liberty had held blacks as slaves for nearly 100 years after the words "ALL men are created equal" were written.
Nor does explain the fact that in order to hold those people as slaves, some Americans must have believed that they were not human, since if they were human they would have been entitled to be treated as equals and to have the right of liberty, specified in "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
The rationalization that by taking blacks from Africa and civilizing them and teaching them the Christian religions was a benefit that we conferred was used by the slaveholders as their rationalization. Gradually it dawned on the anti-slave part of America that if you could hold people as slaves, then it was legal and proper to rape their women. But, oddly, that fact was not noticed by the slave-holders.
Like you, I do not believe that America must carry a burden of guilt forever. However, there is a special way of looking at "American exceptionalism." Since we had the special honor of recognizing that all men are created equal and that all men are entitled to liberty, and since we violated that ideal, then we carry an exceptional responsibility.
Good grief! The wrong has been righted. As I've said before, at some point you must move on. Otherwise you're doomed to repeat the same mistake.
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Re: "Good grief! The wrong has been righted. As I've said before, at some point you must move on. Otherwise you're doomed to repeat the same mistake. "

Slavery has been ended. But what caused Americans to believe that blacks were not human? What caused Americans to adopt laws that allowed them to rape slave women?

We need to understand that. Until we do, we have not really put it behind us.
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It's a shame "that" many blacks are racist. Just a shame.
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As I have stated before, for the past four hundred years, I have no know relative who lived south of New England. In 1660, my g-g-g-g-grandfather was an indentured servant in New France and his wife was a young Jewish girl who was taken from her parents and sent to New France to either marry a Catholic or fend for herself. Soooo, since there is no indications that any of my relatives had ever met a black man yet own one, why should they be judges against simply because they are white?
Every man is his own person and even if my father was a slave owner, why should I be held responsible for his sins? But you think it is okay to be prejudice against me just because I am white?!?
People are judging you by your racist statements.
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Re: "Good grief! The wrong has been righted. As I've said before, at some point you must move on. Otherwise you're doomed to repeat the same mistake. "
Slavery has been ended. But what caused Americans to believe that blacks were not human? What caused Americans to adopt laws that allowed them to rape slave women?
We need to understand that. Until we do, we have not really put it behind us.
"But what caused American"? Back to just America, huh? Slavery was worldwide. Why don't you seek your answer from those who practiced it long before America did! You're right, it was ended. Like 150 years or so ago. Don't ask America "why", ask those who started it. But then you wouldn't be able to take your shots at America, would you?
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People are judging you by your racist statements.
Oh bullchit!
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"But what caused American"? Back to just America, huh? Slavery was worldwide. Why don't you seek your answer from those who practiced it long before America did! You're right, it was ended. Like 150 years or so ago. Don't ask America "why", ask those who started it. But then you wouldn't be able to take your shots at America, would you?
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Yep, the French-Canadians were guilty of slavery too!
Under French [Candian] rule
Main article: Slavery in New France
In 1628 the first recorded slave in Canada was brought by a British Convoy to New France. Olivier le Jeune was the name given to the boy originally from Madagascar. His given name resonates with the Code Noir. Although loosely established, the Code Noir forced baptisms and decreed the conversion of all slaves to Catholicism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canad...
That's it? You have one name from 1628 when the French brought over a Madagascar boy to what was to become 249 years late a country. That slave affairs was a French thing, wake up. At that time, the population of "La Nouvelle France" was fewer than 5,000 European souls with the first city being founded in 1608 (Québec). You really dug for that one, didn't you?
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"But what caused American"? Back to just America, huh? Slavery was worldwide. Why don't you seek your answer from those who practiced it long before America did! You're right, it was ended. Like 150 years or so ago. Don't ask America "why", ask those who started it. But then you wouldn't be able to take your shots at America, would you?
Slavery was worldwide but we had adopted this in our Declaration of Independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

And yet despite those words we held some men---and clearly they must have been Men, humans, since they performed complex tasks and looked after white children---as slaves and passed laws that allowed us to rape their women.

Sure, it was common around the world at one time. But we did it for about 100 years after declaring that all men were created equal. That is rather unusual. In countries where they believe that all men are NOT created equal, and where all men do not have the right to liberty, it can be understood. But that is not us. We did it despite our principles, and we need to know how that happened.
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Do not assume. Do you ever listen? Where is your rant against Egypt (as well as many others) and its slavery? I never hear it, only your rant against America! I see you're pulling that old which one are you talking about, North, Central or South. Your games will get you nowhere. You'll never understand what it is to be an American. Just accept it! Racism is kept alive not by those who "enslaved" but instead by those who were freed. If all else fails, it must be racism. BS and you're full of exactly that.
I don't rant agaisnt your country. Never have. I've said here, but your reading and understanding skills are not exactly honed, against slavery which still exists in parts of Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, parts of the Sahel (ask , I'll tell you what that is) and very little in Egypt. To be condemned, all of it, is that clear? Slavery, by the way, and you'll say I'm condemning christianity, is not only tolerated in both the old but in the new testament also and in the gospel. That's not to say it's okay. It's not, but just thought that you, as a good foul-mouthed christian, should be aware of.

It's not an old one. North, Central and South America are realities. Look at any map, they are so noted. Do specify. I understand far better than you what it is to be an American. For example, I fully understand the electoral process by which you elect a president. You don't. You disrespect your very constitution by denying that Barack Obama was duly vetted as to his citizenship and won the 2 last elections and still, to this day, have not acknowledged him as your president.
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What difference does it make whether slavery was officially sanctioned or not? None. "I am never ever holier than thou"? LMAO at that one! You should go into the manure business because you sure produce enough of it.
As wojar said, LMAO is a newly-discovered favourite of yours. Has it replaced dumazzbastard and dumbazzbitch and buttflapper as part of your multicoloured vocabulary?
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"But what caused American"? Back to just America, huh? Slavery was worldwide. Why don't you seek your answer from those who practiced it long before America did! You're right, it was ended. Like 150 years or so ago. Don't ask America "why", ask those who started it. But then you wouldn't be able to take your shots at America, would you?
Now,according to scholar LRS, we have three anti-Americans here. Me, Wojar and now Ellen. Oh, Terry is some kind of Muslim.

It's a very simple rule. If you're not racist, vulgar and birther, and disagree with LRS's nazi point of view, you are either unAmerican or anti-American. There are degrees, I suppose.

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