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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129919 Nov 26, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
"Majority" - just another English word Birfoons can't comprehend
"Conned" - just another word Flappers can't comprehend.
"Taken In" - " "
"Been Had" - " "
"Snookered" - " "
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129920 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a shame "that" many blacks are racist. Just a shame.
How the tables have turned. From being kidnapped in black Africa, transported in floating hovel death traps where hardly 2/3 survived, sold in bondage and mistreated and killed indiscriminately, and, even after the emancipation proclamation, continued to live a life of servitude, lynched at will by ignorant and racist southerners, low wages and not even allowed to enlist in the armed forces until 1942, and in segregated units only, to be allowed to play the national sport (my *ss) baseball in 1948 only and, until the 60s, but a smarting of black congressmen and senators. And don't come back with "mind your own business" or "I don't know what it is to be an American". Irrelevant, what I wrote is history, all true. And may I add, you're not alone, blacks and other minorities have not faired much better worldwide, with American blacks perhaps being the best treated in the world in 2012 - which is not saying all that much.

And you come out with the phrase " many blacks are racist"?. Well, maybe they have a good reason and it's about time, don't you think?
Justus Liebig

Rocky Hill, CT

#129921 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Slopuke, tell us all why you boast of Omammie's re-election as if it's some sort of personal achievement for you? It's simple question even a 3rd grader could answer. Coward. If you'd like to try and shove my nose in it then come on down pollock. LMAO
It's still stuck to his nose and he can't smell his own excrement.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Grow up Sonny. It's not about me. It's about shoving your nose in it, Mr. Laughs Like a Hyena.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129922 Nov 26, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
How the tables have turned. From being kidnapped in black Africa, transported in floating hovel death traps where hardly 2/3 survived, sold in bondage and mistreated and killed indiscriminately, and, even after the emancipation proclamation, continued to live a life of servitude, lynched at will by ignorant and racist southerners, low wages and not even allowed to enlist in the armed forces until 1942, and in segregated units only, to be allowed to play the national sport (my *ss) baseball in 1948 only and, until the 60s, but a smarting of black congressmen and senators. And don't come back with "mind your own business" or "I don't know what it is to be an American". Irrelevant, what I wrote is history, all true. And may I add, you're not alone, blacks and other minorities have not faired much better worldwide, with American blacks perhaps being the best treated in the world in 2012 - which is not saying all that much.
And you come out with the phrase " many blacks are racist"?. Well, maybe they have a good reason and it's about time, don't you think?
Slavery has been around since the beginning of civilization. It was practiced long before America ever existed. Your point? You just want to blame America. As much as you don't like it jacqazz you'll never understand what it is to be an American. Sorry but those are the facts! And you're the one that posted the black vote numbers, not me! LMAO!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#129924 Nov 26, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
How the tables have turned. From being kidnapped in black Africa, transported in floating hovel death traps where hardly 2/3 survived, sold in bondage and mistreated and killed indiscriminately, and, even after the emancipation proclamation, continued to live a life of servitude, lynched at will by ignorant and racist southerners, low wages and not even allowed to enlist in the armed forces until 1942, and in segregated units only, to be allowed to play the national sport (my *ss) baseball in 1948 only and, until the 60s, but a smarting of black congressmen and senators. And don't come back with "mind your own business" or "I don't know what it is to be an American". Irrelevant, what I wrote is history, all true. And may I add, you're not alone, blacks and other minorities have not faired much better worldwide, with American blacks perhaps being the best treated in the world in 2012 - which is not saying all that much.
And you come out with the phrase " many blacks are racist"?. Well, maybe they have a good reason and it's about time, don't you think?
Most people would agree that slavery is an abomination. And racism is also. But you seem to think that revers racism is okay. Why? Racism is racism and all it does is promote more racism
When I joined the Army I wanted to fly medivac and I did from 1975-77 in Hawaii. But in 1980 when I wanted to go on to another medivac assignment I was told no.
You see, female Army pilots could not fly combat missions so they were taking up many of the medivac slots so the Army told me I could go to a Cobra assignment. Yep, if you are going to be an Army aviator, you should be able to accept ANY pilot assignment. I was not interested in flying attack helicopters but I was able to get into Chinooks where I spent my last nine years in the Army.
So, it does not matter if you are a female or black or, etc., when you are given priority assignment over non-females, non-blacks, etc. it is still wrong!!!
But you progressives believe in SOCIAL justice which is not real justice because if promotes reverse discrimination! YOU are the racists and the sexists!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#129925 Nov 26, 2012
My father was a devout Catholic but as the Deputy Director of URC (FAA management school)(1988-91) at Palm Coast, FA he hired two GAY instructors. Oooooo, but, but, but those Catholics are homo-phobes!!!
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129926 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Slavery has been around since the beginning of civilization. It was practiced long before America ever existed. Your point? You just want to blame America. As much as you don't like it jacqazz you'll never understand what it is to be an American. Sorry but those are the facts! And you're the one that posted the black vote numbers, not me! LMAO!!!
Is it possible that you could be so clueless? Does slavery being around since the beginning of civilization justify American slavery, or any slavery at ANY time in history? How is that not knowing what an American really is? I've touched on slavery in the U.S. and elsewhere in my posts, and in the last one, and it is immoral and inhuman no matter where it happened or happens. What does slavery being around forever have to do with blacks not being able to enlist or play the national sport? And yes, been a hard road for blacks, but they are perhaps better treated and understood in the U.S. than anywhere else. Disreguard that if you wish, it's your way.

I just want to blame America? I love the U.S. But facts are facts. No nation, including yours, is exempt from criticism. If I say Germany started two world wars, does that make me anti-German? Got it? Your kind of defence is simply denial, else, quit the anti-American BS and tell me if what I claimed is history or not.

The black vote number was in response to one of Rogue's ridiculous claims.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129927 Nov 26, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Most people would agree that slavery is an abomination. And racism is also. But you seem to think that revers racism is okay. Why? Racism is racism and all it does is promote more racism
When I joined the Army I wanted to fly medivac and I did from 1975-77 in Hawaii. But in 1980 when I wanted to go on to another medivac assignment I was told no.
You see, female Army pilots could not fly combat missions so they were taking up many of the medivac slots so the Army told me I could go to a Cobra assignment. Yep, if you are going to be an Army aviator, you should be able to accept ANY pilot assignment. I was not interested in flying attack helicopters but I was able to get into Chinooks where I spent my last nine years in the Army.
So, it does not matter if you are a female or black or, etc., when you are given priority assignment over non-females, non-blacks, etc. it is still wrong!!!
But you progressives believe in SOCIAL justice which is not real justice because if promotes reverse discrimination! YOU are the racists and the sexists!
I never said that reverse racism is OK. Please show where I did.

As to the women aviators not being able to fly combat missions, okay, fine, and you were therefore not able to take a medivac post, well, Rogue, who drafted that policy? Men? You betcha. Since you stopped flying for the military, women have had a bigger say in policies and can now fly combat, though why they would fight to be more easily killed is beyond me. Their business, I guess, not mine.

Well-administered social justice is THE thing, Rogue. You don't blame city council for installing traffic lights just because some fools run red lights and kill and maim pedestrians or other motorists.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129928 Nov 26, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
My father was a devout Catholic but as the Deputy Director of URC (FAA management school)(1988-91) at Palm Coast, FA he hired two GAY instructors. Oooooo, but, but, but those Catholics are homo-phobes!!!
Rogue, please show us who labelled Catholics homophobes here in Topix. Name ONE. I dare you.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129929 Nov 26, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it possible that you could be so clueless? Does slavery being around since the beginning of civilization justify American slavery, or any slavery at ANY time in history? How is that not knowing what an American really is? I've touched on slavery in the U.S. and elsewhere in my posts, and in the last one, and it is immoral and inhuman no matter where it happened or happens. What does slavery being around forever have to do with blacks not being able to enlist or play the national sport? And yes, been a hard road for blacks, but they are perhaps better treated and understood in the U.S. than anywhere else. Disreguard that if you wish, it's your way.
I just want to blame America? I love the U.S. But facts are facts. No nation, including yours, is exempt from criticism. If I say Germany started two world wars, does that make me anti-German? Got it? Your kind of defence is simply denial, else, quit the anti-American BS and tell me if what I claimed is history or not.
The black vote number was in response to one of Rogue's ridiculous claims.
Slavery was a common practice across many nations. America did correct its mistake while many countries continued (or continue) to practice slavery. Yet, that's not enough for you. Baseball? Please. Sorry bumpkin, you'll never understand. Those are just the facts. See, you and others do not want racism to end because then you'd have to face the truth. No crutch to fall back on whenever you're flat out wrong. jacqazz, you're a socialist. America is not. Get used to it cause we're not changing for you. As far as this country is concerned, you'll always be unAmerican and irrelevant. Got it? LMAO!!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#129931 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Slavery has been around since the beginning of civilization. It was practiced long before America ever existed. Your point? You just want to blame America. As much as you don't like it jacqazz you'll never understand what it is to be an American. Sorry but those are the facts! And you're the one that posted the black vote numbers, not me! LMAO!!!
We did not invent slavery, to be sure. But what we certainly did was to ignore our own principles in the Declaration, which had said that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and that all men had the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

While slavery is evil in all countries, it is exceptionally evil for a country that held that "all men are created equal" and that all men had the right to liberty, to hold people in slavery.

To do so required a kind of magical thinking, that black people were not human, and hence did not have the rights specified by the Declaration. But, since even well before the Civil War it was obvious that blacks were performing complex tasks and tending to the children of whites, it was obvious that they were human. So the institution of slavery in the USA was obviously something entirely different from that in Roman times etc, when the losers in wars became slaves and that was that.

We are not specially evil. But we ought to be specially embarrassed and shocked by our history, and to do in the future everything that we can to make sure that all men are treated equally.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#129933 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a shame "that" many blacks are racist. Just a shame.
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
How the tables have turned. From being kidnapped in black Africa, transported in floating hovel death traps where hardly 2/3 survived, sold in bondage and mistreated and killed indiscriminately, and, even after the emancipation proclamation, continued to live a life of servitude, lynched at will by ignorant and racist southerners, low wages and not even allowed to enlist in the armed forces until 1942, and in segregated units only, to be allowed to play the national sport (my *ss) baseball in 1948 only and, until the 60s, but a smarting of black congressmen and senators. And don't come back with "mind your own business" or "I don't know what it is to be an American". Irrelevant, what I wrote is history, all true. And may I add, you're not alone, blacks and other minorities have not faired much better worldwide, with American blacks perhaps being the best treated in the world in 2012 - which is not saying all that much.
And you come out with the phrase " many blacks are racist"?. Well, maybe they have a good reason and it's about time, don't you think?
As I have stated before, for the past four hundred years, I have no know relative who lived south of New England. In 1660, my g-g-g-g-grandfather was an indentured servant in New France and his wife was a young Jewish girl who was taken from her parents and sent to New France to either marry a Catholic or fend for herself. Soooo, since there is no indications that any of my relatives had ever met a black man yet own one, why should they be judges against simply because they are white?
Every man is his own person and even if my father was a slave owner, why should I be held responsible for his sins? But you think it is okay to be prejudice against me just because I am white?!?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129934 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Slavery was a common practice across many nations. America did correct its mistake while many countries continued (or continue) to practice slavery. Yet, that's not enough for you. Baseball? Please. Sorry bumpkin, you'll never understand. Those are just the facts. See, you and others do not want racism to end because then you'd have to face the truth. No crutch to fall back on whenever you're flat out wrong. jacqazz, you're a socialist. America is not. Get used to it cause we're not changing for you. As far as this country is concerned, you'll always be unAmerican and irrelevant. Got it? LMAO!!!
So, your response to facts is, and allow me to quote you : "Sorry bumpkin, you'll never understand. No crutch to fall back on whenever you're flat out wrong. jacqazz, you're a socialist. America is not. Get used to it cause we're not changing for you. As far as this country is concerned, you'll always be unAmerican and irrelevant. Got it? LMAO!"

So, the crux of your response is I'm a socialist? That's it? that's your reasoning? And America is not? Do you mean North, Central, South America? Who? Not changing for us? Not changing what? I'm unAmerican and irrelevant? What's the relevance?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129935 Nov 26, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
We did not invent slavery, to be sure. But what we certainly did was to ignore our own principles in the Declaration, which had said that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and that all men had the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
While slavery is evil in all countries, it is exceptionally evil for a country that held that "all men are created equal" and that all men had the right to liberty, to hold people in slavery.
To do so required a kind of magical thinking, that black people were not human, and hence did not have the rights specified by the Declaration. But, since even well before the Civil War it was obvious that blacks were performing complex tasks and tending to the children of whites, it was obvious that they were human. So the institution of slavery in the USA was obviously something entirely different from that in Roman times etc, when the losers in wars became slaves and that was that.
We are not specially evil. But we ought to be specially embarrassed and shocked by our history, and to do in the future everything that we can to make sure that all men are treated equally.
So logical. But, boy, are you gonna get it. Duck, you're unAmerican.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#129936 Nov 26, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it possible that you could be so clueless? Does slavery being around since the beginning of civilization justify American slavery, or any slavery at ANY time in history? How is that not knowing what an American really is? I've touched on slavery in the U.S. and elsewhere in my posts, and in the last one, and it is immoral and inhuman no matter where it happened or happens. What does slavery being around forever have to do with blacks not being able to enlist or play the national sport? And yes, been a hard road for blacks, but they are perhaps better treated and understood in the U.S. than anywhere else. Disreguard that if you wish, it's your way.
I just want to blame America? I love the U.S. But facts are facts. No nation, including yours, is exempt from criticism. If I say Germany started two world wars, does that make me anti-German? Got it? Your kind of defence is simply denial, else, quit the anti-American BS and tell me if what I claimed is history or not.
The black vote number was in response to one of Rogue's ridiculous claims.
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Slavery was a common practice across many nations. America did correct its mistake while many countries continued (or continue) to practice slavery. Yet, that's not enough for you. Baseball? Please. Sorry bumpkin, you'll never understand. Those are just the facts. See, you and others do not want racism to end because then you'd have to face the truth. No crutch to fall back on whenever you're flat out wrong. jacqazz, you're a socialist. America is not. Get used to it cause we're not changing for you. As far as this country is concerned, you'll always be unAmerican and irrelevant. Got it? LMAO!!!
Jacques thinks that there never were black slaves in Canada!!!

Slavery in Canada
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Slavery in what now comprises Canada existed into the 1830's, when slavery was officially abolished.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#129937 Nov 26, 2012
Yep, the French-Canadians were guilty of slavery too!

Under French [Candian] rule

Main article: Slavery in New France
In 1628 the first recorded slave in Canada was brought by a British Convoy to New France. Olivier le Jeune was the name given to the boy originally from Madagascar. His given name resonates with the Code Noir. Although loosely established, the Code Noir forced baptisms and decreed the conversion of all slaves to Catholicism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canad...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#129938 Nov 26, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
We did not invent slavery, to be sure. But what we certainly did was to ignore our own principles in the Declaration, which had said that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." and that all men had the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
While slavery is evil in all countries, it is exceptionally evil for a country that held that "all men are created equal" and that all men had the right to liberty, to hold people in slavery.
To do so required a kind of magical thinking, that black people were not human, and hence did not have the rights specified by the Declaration. But, since even well before the Civil War it was obvious that blacks were performing complex tasks and tending to the children of whites, it was obvious that they were human. So the institution of slavery in the USA was obviously something entirely different from that in Roman times etc, when the losers in wars became slaves and that was that.
We are not specially evil. But we ought to be specially embarrassed and shocked by our history, and to do in the future everything that we can to make sure that all men are treated equally.
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
So logical. But, boy, are you gonna get it. Duck, you're unAmerican.
I agree, slavery is an abomination but no matter how they got here, blacks should be grateful for being an American. Do you know why they call Africa the "Dark Continent'?
http://clicksomemore.blogspot.com/2012/10/tel...
My God, Africa has gone nowhere for two thousand years. If it were not for Europeans, Africa would be even darker!!!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129939 Nov 26, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
So, your response to facts is, and allow me to quote you : "Sorry bumpkin, you'll never understand. No crutch to fall back on whenever you're flat out wrong. jacqazz, you're a socialist. America is not. Get used to it cause we're not changing for you. As far as this country is concerned, you'll always be unAmerican and irrelevant. Got it? LMAO!"
So, the crux of your response is I'm a socialist? That's it? that's your reasoning? And America is not? Do you mean North, Central, South America? Who? Not changing for us? Not changing what? I'm unAmerican and irrelevant? What's the relevance?
Do not assume. Do you ever listen? Where is your rant against Egypt (as well as many others) and its slavery? I never hear it, only your rant against America! I see you're pulling that old which one are you talking about, North, Central or South. Your games will get you nowhere. You'll never understand what it is to be an American. Just accept it! Racism is kept alive not by those who "enslaved" but instead by those who were freed. If all else fails, it must be racism. BS and you're full of exactly that.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129940 Nov 26, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it possible that you could be so clueless? Does slavery being around since the beginning of civilization justify American slavery, or any slavery at ANY time in history? How is that not knowing what an American really is? I've touched on slavery in the U.S. and elsewhere in my posts, and in the last one, and it is immoral and inhuman no matter where it happened or happens. What does slavery being around forever have to do with blacks not being able to enlist or play the national sport? And yes, been a hard road for blacks, but they are perhaps better treated and understood in the U.S. than anywhere else. Disreguard that if you wish, it's your way.
I just want to blame America? I love the U.S. But facts are facts. No nation, including yours, is exempt from criticism. If I say Germany started two world wars, does that make me anti-German? Got it? Your kind of defence is simply denial, else, quit the anti-American BS and tell me if what I claimed is history or not.
The black vote number was in response to one of Rogue's ridiculous claims.
<quoted text>
Jacques thinks that there never were black slaves in Canada!!!
Slavery in Canada
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Slavery in what now comprises Canada existed into the 1830's, when slavery was officially abolished.
Rogue , you are again being unfair, and what's more, pretending that I never discussed your above statement that there was slavery in Canada. First off, I made it clear that, historically, the U.S. is by far not the only nation that fostered slavery. Also, you ignore that I also wrote, today and at other times, that blacks, today, in the U.S., are probably the most fairly treated worldwide. But it's been a long process.

As to Canada, well, yes, I repeat, you're unfair. I am never ever holier-than-thou. My country is far, very far, from having an unblemished history. Even today, it is a long way from perfect, particularly with the kind of conservative government we elected 6 years ago. As to Canadian slavery, it has been, from the outset, illegal, based on it being declared illegal by what was then our colonial master, the United Kingdom. You're unfair, as I've told you this before, but you pretend I never did. Slavery, I repeat, was never officially sanctioned in Canada, eitber as a colony or a sovereign country (1867). However, aboriginals DID practive slavery. No denial. It didn't last long. Any further comments?

Ever heard of the "underground railroad?". Where do you think it ended? Northern U.S. AND Canada. Why Canada if, as you incorrectly say, we had slavery? We didn't. We never did, except in aboriginal tribes and that was stopped. Many of those slaves ended up in Nova Scotia, in the capital, Halifax, where today they are numerous, live in pockets and to tell the truth, I'm not proud of the way we've treated them and continue to do so today. I suppose you will also conveniently forget that comment as you have others.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129941 Nov 26, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Rogue , you are again being unfair, and what's more, pretending that I never discussed your above statement that there was slavery in Canada. First off, I made it clear that, historically, the U.S. is by far not the only nation that fostered slavery. Also, you ignore that I also wrote, today and at other times, that blacks, today, in the U.S., are probably the most fairly treated worldwide. But it's been a long process.
As to Canada, well, yes, I repeat, you're unfair. I am never ever holier-than-thou. My country is far, very far, from having an unblemished history. Even today, it is a long way from perfect, particularly with the kind of conservative government we elected 6 years ago. As to Canadian slavery, it has been, from the outset, illegal, based on it being declared illegal by what was then our colonial master, the United Kingdom. You're unfair, as I've told you this before, but you pretend I never did. Slavery, I repeat, was never officially sanctioned in Canada, eitber as a colony or a sovereign country (1867). However, aboriginals DID practive slavery. No denial. It didn't last long. Any further comments?
Ever heard of the "underground railroad?". Where do you think it ended? Northern U.S. AND Canada. Why Canada if, as you incorrectly say, we had slavery? We didn't. We never did, except in aboriginal tribes and that was stopped. Many of those slaves ended up in Nova Scotia, in the capital, Halifax, where today they are numerous, live in pockets and to tell the truth, I'm not proud of the way we've treated them and continue to do so today. I suppose you will also conveniently forget that comment as you have others.
What difference does it make whether slavery was officially sanctioned or not? None. "I am never ever holier than thou"? LMAO at that one! You should go into the manure business because you sure produce enough of it.

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