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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129945 Nov 26, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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Re: "I agree, slavery is an abomination but no matter how they got here, blacks should be grateful for being an American. Do you know why they call Africa the "Dark Continent'?
I think it is likely that virtually all blacks are indeed happy to be Americans, but that does not excuse the fact that Americans who believed "that ALL men are created equal" and that all men are entitled to liberty had held blacks as slaves for nearly 100 years after the words "ALL men are created equal" were written.
Nor does explain the fact that in order to hold those people as slaves, some Americans must have believed that they were not human, since if they were human they would have been entitled to be treated as equals and to have the right of liberty, specified in "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
The rationalization that by taking blacks from Africa and civilizing them and teaching them the Christian religions was a benefit that we conferred was used by the slaveholders as their rationalization. Gradually it dawned on the anti-slave part of America that if you could hold people as slaves, then it was legal and proper to rape their women. But, oddly, that fact was not noticed by the slave-holders.
Like you, I do not believe that America must carry a burden of guilt forever. However, there is a special way of looking at "American exceptionalism." Since we had the special honor of recognizing that all men are created equal and that all men are entitled to liberty, and since we violated that ideal, then we carry an exceptional responsibility.
Good grief! The wrong has been righted. As I've said before, at some point you must move on. Otherwise you're doomed to repeat the same mistake.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#129946 Nov 26, 2012
Re: "Good grief! The wrong has been righted. As I've said before, at some point you must move on. Otherwise you're doomed to repeat the same mistake. "

Slavery has been ended. But what caused Americans to believe that blacks were not human? What caused Americans to adopt laws that allowed them to rape slave women?

We need to understand that. Until we do, we have not really put it behind us.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#129948 Nov 26, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
LRS wrote:
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It's a shame "that" many blacks are racist. Just a shame.
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As I have stated before, for the past four hundred years, I have no know relative who lived south of New England. In 1660, my g-g-g-g-grandfather was an indentured servant in New France and his wife was a young Jewish girl who was taken from her parents and sent to New France to either marry a Catholic or fend for herself. Soooo, since there is no indications that any of my relatives had ever met a black man yet own one, why should they be judges against simply because they are white?
Every man is his own person and even if my father was a slave owner, why should I be held responsible for his sins? But you think it is okay to be prejudice against me just because I am white?!?
People are judging you by your racist statements.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129949 Nov 26, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "Good grief! The wrong has been righted. As I've said before, at some point you must move on. Otherwise you're doomed to repeat the same mistake. "
Slavery has been ended. But what caused Americans to believe that blacks were not human? What caused Americans to adopt laws that allowed them to rape slave women?
We need to understand that. Until we do, we have not really put it behind us.
"But what caused American"? Back to just America, huh? Slavery was worldwide. Why don't you seek your answer from those who practiced it long before America did! You're right, it was ended. Like 150 years or so ago. Don't ask America "why", ask those who started it. But then you wouldn't be able to take your shots at America, would you?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129950 Nov 26, 2012
Johannes wrote:
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People are judging you by your racist statements.
Oh bullchit!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129951 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
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"But what caused American"? Back to just America, huh? Slavery was worldwide. Why don't you seek your answer from those who practiced it long before America did! You're right, it was ended. Like 150 years or so ago. Don't ask America "why", ask those who started it. But then you wouldn't be able to take your shots at America, would you?
*Americans
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129952 Nov 26, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Yep, the French-Canadians were guilty of slavery too!
Under French [Candian] rule
Main article: Slavery in New France
In 1628 the first recorded slave in Canada was brought by a British Convoy to New France. Olivier le Jeune was the name given to the boy originally from Madagascar. His given name resonates with the Code Noir. Although loosely established, the Code Noir forced baptisms and decreed the conversion of all slaves to Catholicism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canad...
That's it? You have one name from 1628 when the French brought over a Madagascar boy to what was to become 249 years late a country. That slave affairs was a French thing, wake up. At that time, the population of "La Nouvelle France" was fewer than 5,000 European souls with the first city being founded in 1608 (Québec). You really dug for that one, didn't you?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#129953 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
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"But what caused American"? Back to just America, huh? Slavery was worldwide. Why don't you seek your answer from those who practiced it long before America did! You're right, it was ended. Like 150 years or so ago. Don't ask America "why", ask those who started it. But then you wouldn't be able to take your shots at America, would you?
Slavery was worldwide but we had adopted this in our Declaration of Independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

And yet despite those words we held some men---and clearly they must have been Men, humans, since they performed complex tasks and looked after white children---as slaves and passed laws that allowed us to rape their women.

Sure, it was common around the world at one time. But we did it for about 100 years after declaring that all men were created equal. That is rather unusual. In countries where they believe that all men are NOT created equal, and where all men do not have the right to liberty, it can be understood. But that is not us. We did it despite our principles, and we need to know how that happened.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129954 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Do not assume. Do you ever listen? Where is your rant against Egypt (as well as many others) and its slavery? I never hear it, only your rant against America! I see you're pulling that old which one are you talking about, North, Central or South. Your games will get you nowhere. You'll never understand what it is to be an American. Just accept it! Racism is kept alive not by those who "enslaved" but instead by those who were freed. If all else fails, it must be racism. BS and you're full of exactly that.
I don't rant agaisnt your country. Never have. I've said here, but your reading and understanding skills are not exactly honed, against slavery which still exists in parts of Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, parts of the Sahel (ask , I'll tell you what that is) and very little in Egypt. To be condemned, all of it, is that clear? Slavery, by the way, and you'll say I'm condemning christianity, is not only tolerated in both the old but in the new testament also and in the gospel. That's not to say it's okay. It's not, but just thought that you, as a good foul-mouthed christian, should be aware of.

It's not an old one. North, Central and South America are realities. Look at any map, they are so noted. Do specify. I understand far better than you what it is to be an American. For example, I fully understand the electoral process by which you elect a president. You don't. You disrespect your very constitution by denying that Barack Obama was duly vetted as to his citizenship and won the 2 last elections and still, to this day, have not acknowledged him as your president.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129955 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
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What difference does it make whether slavery was officially sanctioned or not? None. "I am never ever holier than thou"? LMAO at that one! You should go into the manure business because you sure produce enough of it.
As wojar said, LMAO is a newly-discovered favourite of yours. Has it replaced dumazzbastard and dumbazzbitch and buttflapper as part of your multicoloured vocabulary?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129956 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
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"But what caused American"? Back to just America, huh? Slavery was worldwide. Why don't you seek your answer from those who practiced it long before America did! You're right, it was ended. Like 150 years or so ago. Don't ask America "why", ask those who started it. But then you wouldn't be able to take your shots at America, would you?
Now,according to scholar LRS, we have three anti-Americans here. Me, Wojar and now Ellen. Oh, Terry is some kind of Muslim.

It's a very simple rule. If you're not racist, vulgar and birther, and disagree with LRS's nazi point of view, you are either unAmerican or anti-American. There are degrees, I suppose.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#129957 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
"But what caused American"? Back to just America, huh? Slavery was worldwide. Why don't you seek your answer from those who practiced it long before America did! You're right, it was ended. Like 150 years or so ago. Don't ask America "why", ask those who started it. But then you wouldn't be able to take your shots at America, would you?
LRS wrote:
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*Americans
As you can see from above, it still makes no sense. Correct the correction, please.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129958 Nov 26, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Slavery was worldwide but we had adopted this in our Declaration of Independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
And yet despite those words we held some men---and clearly they must have been Men, humans, since they performed complex tasks and looked after white children---as slaves and passed laws that allowed us to rape their women.
Sure, it was common around the world at one time. But we did it for about 100 years after declaring that all men were created equal. That is rather unusual. In countries where they believe that all men are NOT created equal, and where all men do not have the right to liberty, it can be understood. But that is not us. We did it despite our principles, and we need to know how that happened.
Then you'll need to ask someone who lived during the period to find out what the mindset was. Regardless, there is no choice but to move on. America passed laws that legalized raping of slaves? Get a grip.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#129959 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh bullchit!
You need to pay attention.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129960 Nov 26, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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I don't rant agaisnt your country. Never have. I've said here, but your reading and understanding skills are not exactly honed, against slavery which still exists in parts of Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, parts of the Sahel (ask , I'll tell you what that is) and very little in Egypt. To be condemned, all of it, is that clear? Slavery, by the way, and you'll say I'm condemning christianity, is not only tolerated in both the old but in the new testament also and in the gospel. That's not to say it's okay. It's not, but just thought that you, as a good foul-mouthed christian, should be aware of.
It's not an old one. North, Central and South America are realities. Look at any map, they are so noted. Do specify. I understand far better than you what it is to be an American. For example, I fully understand the electoral process by which you elect a president. You don't. You disrespect your very constitution by denying that Barack Obama was duly vetted as to his citizenship and won the 2 last elections and still, to this day, have not acknowledged him as your president.
Dingbat! Nah, you're never holier than thou. LMAO! "I understand far better than you what it is to be an American"? Sure you do jacqazz. You're clueless and will remain that way. In Geology, transitional zones are nothing new. Sorry to disappoint you. I do not think Omama was vetted by his party. I do not believe his phoney birth certificate either. Omama is not my president. You're amusing and irrelevant at best.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#129961 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text> As I've said before, at some point you must move on. Otherwise you're doomed to repeat the same mistake.
The perfect lesson that Birfistan can't seem to grasp
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129962 Nov 26, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
"But what caused American"? Back to just America, huh? Slavery was worldwide. Why don't you seek your answer from those who practiced it long before America did! You're right, it was ended. Like 150 years or so ago. Don't ask America "why", ask those who started it. But then you wouldn't be able to take your shots at America, would you?
<quoted text>
As you can see from above, it still makes no sense. Correct the correction, please.
I'm sorry, I forgot you're too stupid to figure out that I quoted only part of the sentence. Hey jacqazz, I only quoted part of Ellen's sentence. LMAO!!!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#129963 Nov 26, 2012
Johannes wrote:
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You need to pay attention.
And you just need to pay your fair share!
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#129964 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
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And you just need to pay your fair share!
Hey, unlike you, I'm not one of the 47% living in teh south. Uhmmm...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#129966 Nov 26, 2012
LRS wrote:
Approaching 20 states that will refuse to setup health exchanges. Who will pay for it.......the remaining states or the Feds. Either way, you'll pay for it. And talk about costs soaring! Why that will be like a huge tax hike for ya. There is only one reason we have this screwed up OmamaCare......EGO. And our country doesn't work that way. Omama is a public servant. He would do well to remember that.
Birfoons would do well to understand that the people re-elected the President, fully cognizant of the fact that his re-election means Obamacare will be implemented. They also elected him in 2008, fully aware that he ran on health care refo0rm, among other things.

President Obama won the election. Get over it.

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