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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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#10 MICHELLE OBAMA
First Lady of the United States
She has the ear of the President and an eye for his political interests. In fact, Time described Michelle Obama as “instrumental” in helping launch Barack Obama’s political career.
“Combined with her own Southside roots – she went to high school with Sanita Jackson, the Rev. Jesse Jackson’s daughter – Michelle’s job gave her husband entree into the best political machine in Illinois,”
Time reported in an August 2008 profile of Michelle, while she was undergoing a public image makeover as a fit and fashionable mother that propelled her to a 79% approval rating in April 2009.
Toned biceps aside, Michelle earned her way on this list by championing government intervention on your child’s lunch plate. The child nutrition bill she endorsed last July federalized nutrition standards for schools – even food sold at fundraising bake sales – and placed a minimum price on paid school meals, a cost that will be passed on to middle-class families.
USA Today said it was the first time she issued a statement regarding and encouraging more legislative action. The bill passed Congress and was sent to her husband for his signature.
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Foolish stupid impostor. This story on Michelle Obama is totally positive. Poor liar LRS. Skips his 2nd grade remedial reading classes and now pays for it by doing the unthinkable, posting a story that shows Ms Obama in a favourable light. Wow. Also does not help that even if he did manage to read it , he would not comprehend it.

Oh, keep impersonating me too, wannabe, it doesn't work, as I don't trash-talk like you.
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Re: "Someday, when O'Reilly isn't too busy, he might try calculating the odds that, during the summer of 2008, a fake birth certificate was planted on a Saul Alinsky-inspired website, and two fake 1961 newspaper birth announcements were planted on the web by a complicit Hawaii Health Department, two "independent" newspapers, two anonymous bloggers, and by an unknown filmmaker who believed that more Americans were killed in the 1990s by right-wing terrorists than by foreign terrorists. "
HOWEVER, the birth notices are still in the microfilmed copies of the newspapers, which are still in multiple libraries. It is merely your dream that they are only on the Web, and your dream shows how irrational you are.
In addition to the birth notices that are in the microfilms, there is the birth certificate itself and the confirmation of it repeatedly by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data.
For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya), and such travel was very rare in 1961; (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it NEVER happened.)
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city---and they have not been lost;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories---and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Ohio.
(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie---and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do it.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
It doesn't matter where Obama was born, he was born a citizen of his father's nation of origin, which made him subject to a foreign power, not eligible for citizenship in the US, unless naturalized.
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yep. we all knew it you coward.
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Maybe Gury, not LRS. Sorry if I'm wrong, but you two are aso grossly alike...I'm sure I can be forgiven.

Now, whoever you are, the one impersonating LRS, please stop it. Look what you've spawned, Now all the losers are doing it. We may agree on many things, but on moniker hijacking, well, you've lost me. Your credibility wanes every time you do that. It's disconcerting, only losers impersonate. I thought you were better than that.
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Birthers, truthers, paranoids, conspiracists — the whole angry, resentful, frightened mob of right wingers who make up a good portion of the Republican base scares the wholly living hell out of most of the rest of us. They exist on a different plane of reality — uncomfortable with deep thinking, irrational when their delusions are challenged, and unable to climb out of the echo chamber in which they find comfort and support with other like minded crazies.

Worse than who and what they are, the establishment Republicans and even other rational conservatives tolerate them, dismiss them as inconsequential, or actively encourage them in hopes of using their energy, activism, and money to win office.

I categorize the crazies, recognizing there is overlap in and redundancy in my taxonomy:

1. The Birthers. Still alive and kicking and insisting that either a) Obama wasn’t born here; or b) he is an illegitimate president because he’s not a “natural born citizen.” They’ve only got 4 more years to prove their case.

2. Conspiracists. Runs the gamut from the birther issue mentioned above to the idea that hundreds of reputable scientists are colluding to cook the books on global warming. Several prominent congressmen - Michele Bachmann among them — have joined this group by wondering if Huma Abedin, Hillary Clinton’s close aide, isn’t a Muslim Brotherhood plant.

3. Anti-Science crackpots. Enter the evangelical right who dismisses evolution, the Big Bang Theory, as well as other right wingers who worry about vaccinations and are convinced a woman can’t get pregnant from rape because her body automatically shuts down to prevent it.

4. Anti-intellectual. Dismissing out of hand any criticism from anyone who they believe isn’t a conservative. They are suspicious of anyone who went to an Ivy League school or who thinks for a living, and they reflexively reject nuance and logic because if you don’t feel it in your gut, you’re probably a squishy moderate.

5. Paranoids. Pure Hofstadter. Read.

6. Cry “Communist!” and let slip the dogs of war! Is there anything loopier about the crazies than their belief that the US is turning into a Marxist dictatorship? Sheesh.

It is an open question how large this segment of “conservatives” might be. Being in a better position than most to hazard an intelligent guess, I would put the percentage at more than 25% but less than 35%. I don’t believe any polls on the matter for the simple reason that the way questions about birtherism or socialism are formulated sweeps up many on the right who have questions about such things, but don’t give them much credence.

So, how much did fear and loathing of the GOP crazies by ordinary voters contribute to the party’s debacle on Tuesday?

On Wednesday, Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray said the decisive Senate victories for her party had “proved to Republicans that extremists are dooming their party to disaster.”

“If Republicans want to follow the Tea Party off a political cliff, that’s their prerogative,” Murray said on a conference call with reporters.“But we will not let them take America off a cliff.”

Sorry, but it’s far more complicated than that. The self identified “Tea Party” has many faces, many factions — some of whom are rational libertarians, thoughtful federalists, or plain old Main Street Republicans.
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Here is the proof that they did try it, but I will not speculate about their motives.:
http://www.wnd.com/2008/12/83121/
You're too kind, too forgiving. I don't have to speculate, it was racism, pure and simple. No other motive. And nothing's changed.
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Justice Dale wrote:
the US Constitution strictly forbids, Marxist-Social Communism, with these words, "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Property.
There goes DufusDale again with his double secret, invisible ink copy of the Constitution
Justice Dale

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There goes DufusDale again with his double secret, invisible ink copy of the Constitution
Look in the 14th amendment.
Would you prefer Marxist-Socialist Communism?
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>It doesn't matter where Obama was born, he was born a citizen of his father's nation of origin, which made him subject to a foreign power, not eligible for citizenship in the US, unless naturalized.
This is the other nutty birther theory. Every child born in the USA, except for the children of foreign diplomats, has been ruled by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case to be a Natural Born US Citizen. That makes Rubio, Jindal and, yes, Obama, all Natural Born US Citizens. The citizenship of the father, or of the father and the mother, is irrelevant.

Oh, and the US Supreme Court has just rejected birther appeals of the Farrar case in Georgia, which ruled that the meaning of Natural Born was defined in the Wong Kim Ark case, and that it refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats. What is the effect of the US Supreme Court rejecting the appeal of the Farrar case? It is that the ruling in the Farrar case STANDS.

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Voters on Election Day in Alabama said yes to amending the state constitution and thereby sending a strong symbolic message against the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, according to a CNN projection.
In saying yes to Amendment 6, voters chose to prohibit individuals and businesses from being compelled to participate in any health care system.
Its okay JS, they’re probably dumb enough to pay the penalty and not be insured as well.

The 10 states—all of which have uninsured rates that are equal to or greater than the national average—are Alabama (16%), Louisiana (17%), Oklahoma (18%), Arizona (19%), Mississippi (19%), South Carolina (19%), Georgia (20%), Florida (21%), Nevada (21%), New Mexico (21%) and Texas (25%).

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Barack Obama attended this Catholic school in Jakarta, Indonesia before transferring to Besuki Public School.
He was registered at Fransiskus Assisi under the name Barry Soetoro by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro.
The document lists Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and shows his Muslim step-father listed Barack Obama's religion as Islam.
Is that breaking news Mr. Liars?

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LRS wrote:
Arpaio: Investigation proves Obama birth certificate a fake
Posted: Thursday, March 1, 2012 3:58 pm | Updated: 10:52 am, Tue Mar 6, 2012.
By Howard Fischer, Capitol Media Services | 58 comments
PHOENIX — The birth certificate which Barack Obama says proves he is a U.S. citizen is a fraud, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio charged Thursday.
The sheriff said a forensic examination of the electronic document posted last year by the White House proves that it was not simply scanned into a file but actually put together in several pieces. And Mike Zullo, head of the sheriff’s Cold Case Posse who headed the investigation, said the inconsistencies in the document cannot be explained away by claims that it was optimized or had been scanned with optical character recognition software.
Zullo also said a separate examination proves Obama’s selective service also is a fake.
But the sheriff, while saying the evidence proves that a crime was committed, was careful not to implicate the president.
“I’m not accusing anyone of anything until we find out who may have committed these alleged crimes over this birth certificate and the selective service card,” Arpaio said.
“Someone did it — if it’s false,” he continued, adding “we made a pretty good case here.”
And Arpaio brushed aside a question of why he was able to find such evidence when no one else in the country has. The sheriff said he probably was the only one who bothered to investigate in detail.
“Show me how far they went,” Arpaio said of other.“And show me any law enforcement agency that looked into it.”
Zullo also said the fact the Honolulu newspaper had a birth announcement at the time proves nothing, saying the newspaper accepted such messages without requiring proof the person actually had been born in the state.
And asked how Obama managed to get a passport without a valid birth certificate, all Zullo could say is,“that’s a great question.”
And Zullo insisted that Arpaio has jurisdiction.
He said the White House, under pressure, never produced an actual document for people to examine.
“They produced an electronic file,” Zullo said.
“The fact that that document was put up on the web site of the White House for distribution to anyone in the country, the world, who wanted to see it, was a representation made to the people of Maricopa County, including a press conference where the president himself attests,‘this is my document, proof positive,’” Zullo said.
“You fraud one person in Maricopa County with that, you fraud every person in Maricopa County.”
Zullo stressed, though,“we are not accusing Mr. Obama of creating this document.” he said.
Rep. Carl Seel, R-Phoenix, called the finding “extremely troubling.” Seel said he hopes the sheriff’s findings breathe new life into legislation he and Sen. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, have been pushing to require some evidence that all candidates whould have to prove they are “natural born citizens” of the United States before their names are placed on the ballot.
He said even if questions of Obama’s birth certificate are never resolved, he believes the inquiry shows the need for better vetting of candidates “to make sure in the future we maintain the integrity of our ballot.” More to the point, Seel wants legislation to empower the government to enforce the constitutional requirements for presidency.
The White House, which thought the issue had been put to sleep with the posting of the birth certificate, had no comment.
Arpaio said he is not saying the president is serving illegally — exactly. But he said that, given the findings about his birth certificate and selective service registration, he wants the president to produce some conclusive evidence of his citizenship.
Zullo said that could include actual microfilm of documents, with his office able to test the film to verify its age and authenticity. Hospital records also would be acceptable.
Arpaio: Investigation proves Arpaio is and old fool.
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Look in the 14th amendment.
Would you prefer Marxist-Socialist Communism?
Yep. No phrase "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Property". No ban on communism. And, fortunately for DufusDale, no ban on ignorance or bigotry
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Ellen1 wrote:
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This is the other nutty birther theory. Every child born in the USA, except for the children of foreign diplomats, has been ruled by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case to be a Natural Born US Citizen. That makes Rubio, Jindal and, yes, Obama, all Natural Born US Citizens. The citizenship of the father, or of the father and the mother, is irrelevant.
Oh, and the US Supreme Court has just rejected birther appeals of the Farrar case in Georgia, which ruled that the meaning of Natural Born was defined in the Wong Kim Ark case, and that it refers to the place of birth and that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats. What is the effect of the US Supreme Court rejecting the appeal of the Farrar case? It is that the ruling in the Farrar case STANDS.
Ark isn't worth the paper it was written on, not only did it not define a Natural Born Citizen, it completely missed the boat on the definition to "Subject to the jurisdiction, thereof".
The 14th was never changed, this can not be accomplished by the USSC. NEXT!!!!
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Right....dumbazz! Still covering for the Liar in Chief, huh? You've been had skippy! LMAO
Sorry, Loser, but the data go back decades.

Science: testable, repeatable, verifiable.

Birfoon ramblings: disproven.

Try again, Louise.

“Facts trump speculation”

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LRS wrote:
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No "real" American gives a shat about you or your opinion. squid
BirfoonBoy is having a problem distinguishing opinion from fact.

President Obama is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES like it or not. He won the elections in 2008 and 2012. Fact. There is NOTHING birfoons can do about that except moan, whine, and have childish tantrums. Get over it.
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Sorry, if I laugh at Play Law that doesn't make me unAmerican.
Sorry, I'm not the only person who thinks Play Law is FOS. The people who matter are the USSC justices, the judges of the United States, the Senate and House, the state election boards, and the vast majority of voters.
Get over it, ineffective loser. Whining and name calling on topix will not accomplish anything for you. Mittens is history. Barack Obama will be a second term President in January, following counting of the electoral votes, certification by Congress, and swearing in by the Chief Justice.
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JOCK ITCH is a COWARD wrote:
yep. we all knew it you coward.
Now this is a funny one, Guru. Yessir. Slapping your Michelin tire thighs, histerically laughing at your grade schoolyard impersonating humour? No doubt your birther friends think it's funny and LMAO'ing to death. Awwww, whatever possesses you to come up with such boyish stuff?
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Look in the 14th amendment.
Would you prefer Marxist-Socialist Communism?
Who practicesd these "dépassées" idéologies? Cuba, North Korea? Get in step, Justice, ha ha, forgive me, Dale.
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Yep. No phrase "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Property". No ban on communism. And, fortunately for DufusDale, no ban on ignorance or bigotry
you are correct, I used Locke's quote.
Still yet, under Marxist-Socialist Communism, what do you own.
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Ark isn't worth the paper it was written on, not only did it not define a Natural Born Citizen, it completely missed the boat on the definition to "Subject to the jurisdiction, thereof".
The 14th was never changed, this can not be accomplished by the USSC. NEXT!!!!
YOUR opinion counts for nothing at all. The opinion of the US Supreme Court is the law. That is why Obama was sworn in by the US Chief Justice four years ago. That is why he will be sworn in again on January 21. That is why his election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the Congress four years ago. That is why it will be confirmed again. That is why when birthers tried to convince members of the US Electoral College to change their votes four years ago, not one of them did---not one.

Your theory about "subject to the jurisdiction" is nutty.

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