BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#128986 Nov 20, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
Re "Israeli scientists."
They never looked at Obama's birth certificate, and we do not know if they are even scientists. There are some birthers in Israel as there are in the USA.
Only birther "experts"---who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial---say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama's birth certificate.
The birther "experts" include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend It's the and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such "experts" as these that the birthers rely on for their case.
There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama's policies, but shows that the birther "experts" are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama's birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.
As for Sheriff Joe and his posse: ...
and ...
It is clear that rational conservatives do not believe the "birth certificate was forged" claims. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review certainly do not.
And the conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm specified facts on Obama's birth certificate. Hawaii did, stating that it compared the image of Obama's birth certificate with the file copy (which is an additional confirmation that there was a file copy BTW) and that Obama was born there and that the facts match.
The secretary of state of Arizona accepted this confirmation and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November, and he was--and he was on the ballot in ALL the states (and he won both the electoral college vote and the popular vote by more than two and a half million votes). This indicates that the conservative secretary of state of Arizona does not believe the claims that the birth certificate is forged (including those of Sheriff Joe) and that he does believe the officials in Hawaii.
How do we know that there is a birth certificate for Obama in the files in Hawaii and that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii??
The first way is the short form birth certificate. That was created by a clerk copying the information off of the original document in the files. If there were no document, there could be no short form birth certificate. Hawaii has confirmed that it sent a short form birth certificate (COLB) to Obama.
The second way is that Hawaii said that there is, several times, under both Republican and Democrat governors.
The third reason is that the current director of health of Hawaii stated in a letter that she had seen the long form birth certificate being created by photocopying onto security paper the original document that was in the files.
The fourth reason is that the existence of Obama's birth certificate in 1961 is proven by the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii. Only the DOH could send those notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers, and the DOH sent only sent those notices for children whom it had issued birth certificates for.
Would you like me to post the citations of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii?
It's Netanyahu's way of showing his gratitude for the U.S.'s dome defense that Obama sent Israel's way last year, Ellen,

Canyon Country, CA

#128988 Nov 20, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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My question to you is why you won't even say he's the November 7 winner. My question to you is the use of that word communist, a passé word, finished, debunked and the only communists left are in North Korean and Cuba, and fading fast. Obama's your president, stop hoping the nation will implode just because you hate him. Very patriotic, by the way.

5th request to you Jock itch....

so why do you support his criminal actions again? you never answered that, Then I will answer yours.

Jacques Ottawah

Clearlake, CA

#128989 Nov 20, 2012

White House Science Czar

As President Obama’s “Science Czar,” John Holdren helps coordinate White House policy on matters of science and technology. The former Harvard professor holds radical views on a number of subjects, several of which he has written about extensively. He once opined that a fetus is not a “human being” until he has experienced “crucial early years” of “socializing.” He has favorably cited an essay proposing that “forests, oceans and rivers” be afforded legal rights.

On the subject of population control – a pet issue of Holdren’s – he’s advocated compulsory abortions and even suggested that mass sterilization would be “acceptable” if it were carried out under “strict requirements.” He wrote this goal might be accomplished by “adding a sterilant to drinking water.”


Former President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU).

Andy Stern made history as one of the most frequent White House visitors when President Obama made the list of visitors public last year. That’s because he was one of the grand architects of the health care bill during his tenure as president of the Service Employees International Union, which stands to win big by the socialization of American medicine.

Under Stern’s watch, SEIU fought (and continues to fight) rampant charges of voter fraud and has seen its unfunded pension liabilities explode from $7 million to $1.2 billion. The unfunded pension problem originated long before Stern got there, but he’s relentlessly pushed the idea that the American taxpayer should be the one to make up the losses.

To read more on Andy Stern, click here.


Secretary of the Treasury

It’s hard to say whether the failing economy is directly a product of Timothy Geithner’s actions or whether his actions simply didn’t help. Regardless, our 75th Treasury secretary (who has admitted to being too incompetent to file his own income tax return) was responsible for authoring the $700 billion Wall Street bailout,$862 billion stimulus and overseeing one of our longest stretches of unemployment.

It’s hard to pin the blame on a problem that has so many sources, but its clear that Geither’s policies haven’t helped – and have probably made things worse. His feisty rhetoric has angered conservatives and moderates alike.
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#128990 Nov 20, 2012
LRS wrote:
International doubt develops
Officials from both Germany and Russia commented that the American government was conducting a fraud upon its own people. The phony COLB came at a time when Hawaii under the demand of many requests by investigators for Obama’s birth certificate stiffened its laws and actually made it more difficult to get one unless stringent actions were taken slowing the process down to weeks. Even Neil Abercrombie, newly elected Governor of Hawaii, could not find Obama's birth certificate. Yet, Obama said in a public statement that he had made special arrangements with the Hawaiian State Health Department to have a copy speeded up and sent to the White House. Many people smelled a rat!
really? Explain the 65%+ Obama approval rating in those countries. Here, it's over 80%
Jacques Ottawah

Clearlake, CA

#128991 Nov 20, 2012


Co-founder and Editor in Chief of the Huffington Post.

It should be hard to take Right-turned-Left Arianna Huffington seriously when looking at the title of her 2008 book,“Right is Wrong: How the Lunatic Fringe Hijacked America, Shredded the Constitution, and Made Us All Less Safe.” But her platform is the Huffington Post, the preeminent voice of the Left online, and the site generates major traffic – earlier this year, it made the top 10 sites for global news, according to various news reports on Nielson Online’s tracking system. That’s a lot of eyes being exposed to Huffington’s crazy-Left editorial viewpoint.


U.S. Democratic Senator from New York

Many political observers know Chuck Schumer as the publicity-addicted senior U.S. senator from New York. Others regard him as a consummate Washington class warrior and hypocrite, as his broadsides against Republican policies "for the rich" are a bit difficult to swallow, coming from a man who rakes in mammoth donations from hedge funds.

But what makes Schumer especially dangerous is his exceptional political acumen. Schumer chaired the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee from 2005-2008, shepherding Democrats from a 44-seat minority to a 59-seat majority during that span. If Harry Reid had fallen to Sharron Angle in November, Schumer likely would have outmaneuvered Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin to supplant Reid as Senate majority leader.
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#128992 Nov 20, 2012
LRS wrote: NPA636.html
Voter Fraud is Real: Why the Voting Rights Act Should Be Used to Fight Election Fraud
by Horace Cooper
Election fraud in America is no laughing matter. Florida election officials have discovered that the state's voter polls have 53,000 dead voters still registered to vote.1 That's a whole city of dead voters still "eligible" to vote – more than the entire population of Pensacola, Florida!
54,000 old gheezers. All Republicans, and yet, they lost.

LRs, youhoo, LRs, youhoo, YOU LOST, LOSER. LOST.
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#128993 Nov 20, 2012
LRS wrote: _birth_certificate_fraud.html
There is also evidence that Obama was an Indonesian citizen.
Was young Obama Indonesian citizen?
When Obama filed for his law license with Illinois bar association he stated he did not have any other names. What happened to Barry Sotero?
You can see the documents and read about the discrepancies here:
American er hmm cmmunist and aka patrior warrior gets her info and damning of Obama from PRAVDA, amongst others. Now LRS gets his from law-abiding and heartland of judiciary behaviour PANAMA. Or, worse, offshorers like Romney. You are so dumb, so hopeless, so vulgar, so ignorant, er, hmm, so nothing, zero, nada, niente, rien,LRS. You'd crawl under a millipede, no problem.

Dedham, MA

#128994 Nov 20, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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They really tried that 4 years ago? I didn't know. Tried it despite the fact that Obama had no record yet as president and therefore impossible to criticize? Does this not prove that it is in fact a racist thing? That to have that black man in the WHITE House is intolerable, unless he's a janitor or a waiter? I never would've believed it. What crass.
Here is the proof that they did try it, but I will not speculate about their motives.:
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#128995 Nov 20, 2012
the US Constitution strictly forbids, Marxist-Social Communism, with these words, "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Property.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#128996 Nov 20, 2012
Look at the mess Obama has created for Israel, since his apology tour.
Jacques Ottawah

Clearlake, CA

#128997 Nov 20, 2012
Bonjour to my libtrard friends, just thought this would make your day, 50 of your favorite Americans hell bent on destroying the good ole U S of A!

Most-Dangerous-Liberals-in-Ame rica

Businessman and Billionaire Liberal Financier; Founder and Chairman of Open Society Foundations.

Attorney General of the United States

President of the United States

White House Regulation Czar

President of Planned Parenthood and Planned Parenthood Action Fund

Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency

Secretary of Health and Human Services

President and CEO of the Center for American Progress

Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services

First Lady of the United States

Businessman and Billionaire Liberal Financier; Chairman of Progressive Insurance

President of the AFL-CIO

White House Science Czar

Former President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU).

Secretary of the Treasury

Co-founder and Editor in Chief of the Huffington Post.

U.S. Democratic Senator from New York

President of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)

Senior Advisor to President Obama

Executive Editor of the New York Times

U.S. Supreme Court Justice

Secretary of Education

Secretary of Homeland Security

U.S. Senate Democratic Majority Leader from Nevada

Co-founder and Executive Director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

U.S. Supreme Court Justice

President and CEO of Sojourners

Host of Comedy Central's "The Daily Show"

U.S. Democratic Representative from California

Former Vice President; Environmental Activist

U.S. Democratic Representative from Massachusetts

Economist and Columnist for the New York Times

Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University

U.S. House Democratic Minority Leader from California; Former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives

Legal Adviser for the U.S. State Department

President and CEO of the National Council of La Raza

Television Host and Media Mogul

Liberal Democratic Pundit; Former Chairman of the Democratic National Committee

U.S. Supreme Court Justice

Founder and Publisher of Daily Kos

CEO of Media Matters

U.S. Supreme Court Justice

U.S. Senate Majority Whip from Illinois

Host of "The Rachel Maddow Show" on MSNBC

Author and Host of “The Story of Stuff”

Co-founder and Former Leader of Weather Underground Terrorist Group; Education Professor at the University of Chicago, Illinois.

Founder of the National Action Network

Columnist for the New York Times

Comedian; Host of “Real Time With Bill Maher” on HBO

Movie Director and Screenwriter

Dedham, MA

#128998 Nov 20, 2012
LRS wrote: _birth_certificate_fraud.html
There is also evidence that Obama was an Indonesian citizen.
Was young Obama Indonesian citizen?
When Obama filed for his law license with Illinois bar association he stated he did not have any other names. What happened to Barry Sotero?
You can see the documents and read about the discrepancies here:
A telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm that Obama was NEVER an Indonesian Citizen. Yes, Obama used the name Barry Soetoro (I used an Asian name when I was in Asia too)---but since he never legally changed his name, it remains Barack Hussein Obama.
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#128999 Nov 20, 2012
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Please list his "criminal" actions. Killing Obama and most of his leaders? Pulling out of GWB's catastrophic Iraq? Pulling out of GWB's catastrophic Afghanistan in 2014? Rescuing the Big Three and 100s of jobs? Having the DJIA increase by more thatn 100% in less than 4 years? Decreasing unemployment from 10.5% to 8%?. Bringing in a kind of universal health care plan , which would have been a 100% health care plan if not for Republicans?, reducing the US's dependency on foreign oil and incrasing renewable energy sources? What ARE his criminal actions? Finally, being born in the United States of America from a real American mother, springing from extremely modest roots, with that "coloured" disadvantage and becoming president?
Guru wrote:
<quoted text>
nope. you list them. They are all over this blog, and the news. You lost moron, and everyone in here knows it.
You've accused Obama of "criminal actions" whereas I am an Obama supporter and never claimed such "actions", and now because you have nothing, and everyone here can see that, you want ME to list them?

This last post of yours proves how you get lost when you abandon plagiarized texts and cuts-and-paste and go out on your own.


LRS : Obama's criminal actions
Me : What criminal actions? Name them
LRS : No, YOU name them

Amen. Our father...
Jacques Ottawah

Clearlake, CA

#129002 Nov 20, 2012
LRS wrote:
I love birther nuts.
Guess what?
You lost! American rejected ALL the crap you post and went for Obama in a landslide.
America lost! Libtard Americans rejected All the common sense God gave them and went for the POTUS with the worst record in American history. And they they will fall right into his land slide, off the cliff, and into the Grand Canyon right along with their Pied Piper!

Canada $uck$!
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#129003 Nov 20, 2012
wojar wrote:
First Lady of the United States
She has the ear of the President and an eye for his political interests. In fact, Time described Michelle Obama as “instrumental” in helping launch Barack Obama’s political career.
“Combined with her own Southside roots – she went to high school with Sanita Jackson, the Rev. Jesse Jackson’s daughter – Michelle’s job gave her husband entree into the best political machine in Illinois,”
Time reported in an August 2008 profile of Michelle, while she was undergoing a public image makeover as a fit and fashionable mother that propelled her to a 79% approval rating in April 2009.
Toned biceps aside, Michelle earned her way on this list by championing government intervention on your child’s lunch plate. The child nutrition bill she endorsed last July federalized nutrition standards for schools – even food sold at fundraising bake sales – and placed a minimum price on paid school meals, a cost that will be passed on to middle-class families.
USA Today said it was the first time she issued a statement regarding and encouraging more legislative action. The bill passed Congress and was sent to her husband for his signature.
Foolish stupid impostor. This story on Michelle Obama is totally positive. Poor liar LRS. Skips his 2nd grade remedial reading classes and now pays for it by doing the unthinkable, posting a story that shows Ms Obama in a favourable light. Wow. Also does not help that even if he did manage to read it , he would not comprehend it.

Oh, keep impersonating me too, wannabe, it doesn't work, as I don't trash-talk like you.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#129004 Nov 20, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "Someday, when O'Reilly isn't too busy, he might try calculating the odds that, during the summer of 2008, a fake birth certificate was planted on a Saul Alinsky-inspired website, and two fake 1961 newspaper birth announcements were planted on the web by a complicit Hawaii Health Department, two "independent" newspapers, two anonymous bloggers, and by an unknown filmmaker who believed that more Americans were killed in the 1990s by right-wing terrorists than by foreign terrorists. "
HOWEVER, the birth notices are still in the microfilmed copies of the newspapers, which are still in multiple libraries. It is merely your dream that they are only on the Web, and your dream shows how irrational you are.
In addition to the birth notices that are in the microfilms, there is the birth certificate itself and the confirmation of it repeatedly by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data.
For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:
(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya), and such travel was very rare in 1961; (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it NEVER happened.)
(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city---and they have not been lost;
(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);
(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;
(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories---and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Ohio.
(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie---and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do it.
ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
It doesn't matter where Obama was born, he was born a citizen of his father's nation of origin, which made him subject to a foreign power, not eligible for citizenship in the US, unless naturalized.

Canyon Country, CA

#129006 Nov 20, 2012
yep. we all knew it you coward.
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#129008 Nov 20, 2012
Maybe Gury, not LRS. Sorry if I'm wrong, but you two are aso grossly alike...I'm sure I can be forgiven.

Now, whoever you are, the one impersonating LRS, please stop it. Look what you've spawned, Now all the losers are doing it. We may agree on many things, but on moniker hijacking, well, you've lost me. Your credibility wanes every time you do that. It's disconcerting, only losers impersonate. I thought you were better than that.

Minneapolis, MN

#129010 Nov 20, 2012
Birthers, truthers, paranoids, conspiracists — the whole angry, resentful, frightened mob of right wingers who make up a good portion of the Republican base scares the wholly living hell out of most of the rest of us. They exist on a different plane of reality — uncomfortable with deep thinking, irrational when their delusions are challenged, and unable to climb out of the echo chamber in which they find comfort and support with other like minded crazies.

Worse than who and what they are, the establishment Republicans and even other rational conservatives tolerate them, dismiss them as inconsequential, or actively encourage them in hopes of using their energy, activism, and money to win office.

I categorize the crazies, recognizing there is overlap in and redundancy in my taxonomy:

1. The Birthers. Still alive and kicking and insisting that either a) Obama wasn’t born here; or b) he is an illegitimate president because he’s not a “natural born citizen.” They’ve only got 4 more years to prove their case.

2. Conspiracists. Runs the gamut from the birther issue mentioned above to the idea that hundreds of reputable scientists are colluding to cook the books on global warming. Several prominent congressmen - Michele Bachmann among them — have joined this group by wondering if Huma Abedin, Hillary Clinton’s close aide, isn’t a Muslim Brotherhood plant.

3. Anti-Science crackpots. Enter the evangelical right who dismisses evolution, the Big Bang Theory, as well as other right wingers who worry about vaccinations and are convinced a woman can’t get pregnant from rape because her body automatically shuts down to prevent it.

4. Anti-intellectual. Dismissing out of hand any criticism from anyone who they believe isn’t a conservative. They are suspicious of anyone who went to an Ivy League school or who thinks for a living, and they reflexively reject nuance and logic because if you don’t feel it in your gut, you’re probably a squishy moderate.

5. Paranoids. Pure Hofstadter. Read.

6. Cry “Communist!” and let slip the dogs of war! Is there anything loopier about the crazies than their belief that the US is turning into a Marxist dictatorship? Sheesh.

It is an open question how large this segment of “conservatives” might be. Being in a better position than most to hazard an intelligent guess, I would put the percentage at more than 25% but less than 35%. I don’t believe any polls on the matter for the simple reason that the way questions about birtherism or socialism are formulated sweeps up many on the right who have questions about such things, but don’t give them much credence.

So, how much did fear and loathing of the GOP crazies by ordinary voters contribute to the party’s debacle on Tuesday?

On Wednesday, Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairwoman Patty Murray said the decisive Senate victories for her party had “proved to Republicans that extremists are dooming their party to disaster.”

“If Republicans want to follow the Tea Party off a political cliff, that’s their prerogative,” Murray said on a conference call with reporters.“But we will not let them take America off a cliff.”

Sorry, but it’s far more complicated than that. The self identified “Tea Party” has many faces, many factions — some of whom are rational libertarians, thoughtful federalists, or plain old Main Street Republicans.
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#129011 Nov 20, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is the proof that they did try it, but I will not speculate about their motives.:
You're too kind, too forgiving. I don't have to speculate, it was racism, pure and simple. No other motive. And nothing's changed.

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