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Learn to Read

United States

#128968 Nov 20, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
October 27, 2012
Are Obama's 1961 Birth Announcements Fake?
By Shawn Glasco

What a long, strange journey it has been for the records of Barack Obama's birth.

Couldn't the Obama camp just "release a copy of his birth certificate"?

So asked Jim Geraghty of the National Review on June 9, 2008. Geraghty posed this question in response to an item in Politifact, the Tampa Bay Times fact-checking service, which seemed to dispel internet rumors that Obama's full name was in fact "Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama."

Politifact researchers could find no public record of Obama's with the name "Muhammed" in it. But that was not all they failed to find. They also proved unable "to obtain a copy of Obama's birth certificate," finally conceding that Obama's "campaign would not release it and the state of Hawaii does not make such records public."

On June 12, 2008, just three days after Geraghty's inquiry, a simple-looking Obama birth certificate mysteriously appeared on the website Daily Kos. The website's founder Markos Moulitsas, author of the Saul Alinsky-inspired Taking On the System: Rules for Radical Change in a Digital Era, emphatically stated, "[H]ere is Obama's birth certificate."

Moulitsas noted that the edges of the scan were trimmed, so any attempts to "debunk" the birth certificate based on its dimensions would be futile, and the precise date and time of Obama's birth was an added "bonus" with which "astrologers" could work their calculations. Moulitsas boldly concluded that "the latest batch of crazy internet rumors" are now "debunked."

On the same day of the Daily Kos posting, PolitiFact received in their e-mail a copy of the same birth certificate from the previously unhelpful Obama campaign. Any and all pesky "Muhammed" middle name rumors were officially squelched.
On June 28, 2008, Honolulu resident Thelma Lefforge Young passed away. Mrs. Lefforge's address of 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy would soon appear on the web in a August 13, 1961 Honolulu Sunday Advertiser birth announcement:'Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, August 4.'

Best evidence (hat tip: Butterdezillion) is that an image of the August 13 Honolulu Sunday Advertiser (with twenty-five birth listings) was first posted on the web sometime around July 23, 2008 by a documentary filmmaker named Lori Starfelt on a TexasDarlin blog. Starfelt's heroes include Malcolm X, and her political writings include "More Americans Killed By Right Wing Terrorists In The 90s Than Foreign Terrorists." Starfelt claimed that while working on a film titled The Audacity of Democracy, she received her copy from a nameless research librarian at the Hawaii State Library. Starfelt's film was eventually released in 2009 to little or no fanfare.
Careful there CMor. ToolTime and his paintball buddies may come gunning for you
Jacques Ottawah

Clearlake, CA

#128969 Nov 20, 2012
#4 CASS SUNSTEIN

White House Regulation Czar

Cass Sunstein is Obama's regulation czar, affectionately known to conservatives as the "nudge" czar. As the head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs ("the cockpit for the modern administrative state"), Sunstein oversees federal regulations at other agencies. According to the Washington Post's WhoRunsGov.com , his position has become more powerful under President Obama.

His theory, "libertarian paternalism," is light on libertarianism and heavy on paternalism and essentially means incentivizing the masses to do what he deems is best for them. What does this entail? A default to organ donation, First Amendment "reform" (read: Fairness Doctrine), celebrating taxes and giving animals rights.

In 2008, Sunstein wrote an article proposing that covert government agents infiltrate activist organizations that "conspire" to undermine its good deeds. These agents would be charged with infiltrating "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups," trying to look independent and credible while augmenting the pro-government message. The purpose of this exercise would be to undermine the activists and restore faith in the government. What do you think he wants to do to the tea party?

This is the man who oversees financial, health care, housing, environmental and privacy policies, to name a few.

Nudge.
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#128970 Nov 20, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Birthers tried this four years ago. It did not work then. It will not work now. In their attempt to change the votes of the Electoral College, birthers tried a letter-writing campaign to the Electors. And the result? They did not change a single vote. Not one. The votes of the Electors were exactly the same as the Electoral College vote from the popular election.
But you have the right to try, and to dream.
They really tried that 4 years ago? I didn't know. Tried it despite the fact that Obama had no record yet as president and therefore impossible to criticize? Does this not prove that it is in fact a racist thing? That to have that black man in the WHITE House is intolerable, unless he's a janitor or a waiter? I never would've believed it. What crass.
Jacques Ottawah

Clearlake, CA

#128971 Nov 20, 2012
#5 CECILE RICHARDS

President of Planned Parenthood and Planned Parenthood Action Fund

Cecile Richards directs the largest abortion provider in the country: Planned Parenthood of America. Her taxpayer-funded organization has been exposed for being on the wrong side of the law countless times through undercover investigations by pro-life activist Lila Rose and her organization Live Action. Richards joined Planned Parenthood in 2006, and a recent Government Accountability Office report showed Planned Parenthood performed 306,310 abortions the following year while spending $97.6 million of federal funds. A National Right to Life fact sheet reports Richards’ organization made upwards of $1 billion in revenue for the fiscal year ending in June 2008. Richards herself makes about $400,000 annually (including compensation and benefits) according to LifeNews.com .

Richards also worked to influence the laws and regulations you live under. Planned Parenthood’s website lauds her “yearlong, tireless leadership” on the 2010 health care legislation Congress passed, and Americans didn’t want, with polling showing a majority of Americans were against taxpayer-funded abortions.

Richards least disgusting accomplishment may be outshining her former boss on this list of dangerous liberals – Richards previously served as Nancy Pelosi’s deputy chief-of-staff and “played a key role in her election as the Democratic leader in the House of Representatives,” according to the Planned Parenthood website. So she is a leading baby-killer.
Jacques Ottawah

Clearlake, CA

#128972 Nov 20, 2012
#6 LISA JACKSON

Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency

Lisa Jackson has been working in government environmental regulation for more than 20 years and is now Obama's administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency.

Under Jackson's watch, the EPA formally declared carbon dioxide and five other natural gases hazardous pollutants at the 2009 Global Warming Conference in Copenhagen, clearing the way for the federal government to regulate so-called greenhouse gases, raising energy prices, increasing tax rates, inhibiting job growth and over-regulating businesses with endless amounts of red tape. This overreach of government authority is now being justified in order to reduce pollutants that Jackson claims "endanger public health," enabling the EPA to regulate emissions from heavy machinery and factories. Jackson also helped implement the first-ever national emissions limit for vehicles in 2009.

In addition to making the regulation of greenhouse gases a top priority, Jackson has called on Congress to pass clean-energy and climate legislation. The EPA has called for the regulation of greenhouse gases to fall under the Clear Air Act, and Jackson has said that if Congress cannot pass legislation to regulate carbon use, the EPA will administratively take on the task, circumventing Congress and the electoral process altogether.

http://bcfoley.blogspot.com/2011/01/50-most-d...
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#128973 Nov 20, 2012
LRS wrote:
Egypt is not to be trusted anymore than the other Middle East countries! Perverts, liars and savages.
You wrote "Perverts, liars and savages. "

Do NOT base your judgement of these people on your own personage, else you'll want to kill them all, so disgusting would they be.
Learn too Read

Clearlake, CA

#128974 Nov 20, 2012
#7 KATHLEEN SEBELIUS

Secretary of Health and Human Services

On Sept. 9th, Kathleen Sebelius issued a warning letter to the national office of America’s Health Insurance Plans, threatening to remove health insurance companies from exchanges in 2014 for communicating the effects of ObamaCare to their customers. She wrote,“There will be zero tolerance for this type of misinformation and unjustified rate increases.” Kathleen Sebeluis: secretary of the Department of Health and Human Serivices and First Amendment arbiter.

Someone should have informed the rest of us that the First Amendment now permits only speech that is not critical of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare). But the secretary’s concern extends beyond health insurance companies to other forms of “misinformation” scattering the public sphere. With a level of aggression usually reserved for leaders of communist countries, Sebeluis opined that “there still is a great deal of confusion about what is in [the reform law] and what isn’t” and that the government had a lot of re-education to do. This will hurt a bit.

So the government’s role is no longer to assist in providing health care (as if it ever were) but to make sure that citizens bend over and take whatever the ivory tower deems best for the commoners. It’s a brave new world.

http://bcfoley.blogspot.com/2011/01/50-most-d...
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#128975 Nov 20, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>And a lunatic makes up play law to suit his fantasy world.
Comes straight from the Constitution, which you despise.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#128976 Nov 20, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
In addition, Starfelt said she "talked" to Department of Vital Records and the Honolulu Advertiser. She learned that in 1961, hospitals would take their birth records to Vital Records, which would post a sheet at the end of the week for the Honolulu Advertiser to pick up. The Advertiser would then "routinely" print this information in their Sunday edition.
Starfelt calculated that since Obama was born on Friday, August 4, 1961, and since hospitals didn't take birth certificate information for the first few days after a birth, Obama's birth records would then be taken to Vital Records on the following Friday (August 11, 1961). Hence, Obama's birth announcement appeared in the 8/13 Honolulu Sunday Advertiser.
In fact, however, a ten-day sample of birth lists from the August 1961 Honolulu Advertiser, collected by blogger "Ladyforest," shows that births were posted not just on Sunday, but throughout the week.
8/8 Tuesday - 50 births
8/9 Wednesday - 76 births
8/10 Thursday - 82 births
8/11 Friday - 0 births
8/12 Saturday - 0 births
8/13 Sunday - 25 births - Obama's birth announcement
8/14 Monday - 49 births
8/15 Tuesday - 0 (?) births
8/16 Wednesday - 67 births
8/17 Thursday - 203 births
Starfelt's credibility, and thus the credibility of the Advertiser birth announcement, immediately comes into question. Did Starfelt make up the story about births being posted at the end of the week by the Advertiser, or was she misinformed by the Advertiser, the Hawaii Department of Vital Records, or both? There is another confusing detail. The Nordyke twins were born on Saturday, August 5, 1961, in the same hospital Obama was reported to be born in, but their birth announcement appears in the Wednesday, August 16 Advertiser.
Starfelt unfortunately passed away on March 16, 2011, just when the Donald Trump/birth certificate debate was beginning to heat up. Starfelt's memorial service was held in May 2011 at The Unitarian Universalist Church in Studio City, California. Coincidently, Obama's grandparents, Madeline and Stanley Dunham, were members of the Unitarian Universalist Church in Seattle and Madeline Payne-Dunham's memorial service was held in 2008 at the Unitarian Universalist Church in Hawaii.
At about the same time as Starfelt's July 2008 posting, a blogger named "Infidel Granny" posted the same birth announcement image on an AtlasShrugs blog. Infidel Granny claimed to have received her copy in an e-mail from the same nameless research librarian who helped Starfelt from the Hawaii State Library. Infidel Granny briefly resurfaced in 2009 in an AtlasShrugs blog, where she opined, "I sure hope you don't think I had anything to do with a forgery."
The origin of the second birth announcement is even more murky. The best evidence (hat tip: Butterdezillion) is that sometime around August 13, 2008, a Honolulu resident named "Koa" posted the August 14, 1961 Honolulu Star-Bulletin birth announcement on TexasDarlin apparently after she found it herself in the Hawaii State Library. The first twenty-five births in the August 14 Honolulu Star-Bulletin announcements match exactly in the same order as the twenty-five births from the August 13 Advertiser.
Were identical birth lists between the two papers common? Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo confirmed, in fact, that both 1961 newspapers received vital statistics from the Health Department, who in turn had received its "information directly from hospitals."
Regardless of the calculations of Lori, the fact is that Obama was born late on a Friday, and that the birth notices would not go to the newspapers over the weekend. And both of the notices do appear in the Sunday newspapers on the weekend following the time when the birth certificates could be sent, meaning the next Monday or later.

The KEY fact is that the section of the paper was called "Health Bureau Statistics"--and as the name says only the DOH could send notices to that section.
LRS

Clearlake, CA

#128977 Nov 20, 2012
Libtards R Stupid

#8 JOHN PODESTA

President and CEO of the Center for American Progress

Former Clinton administration chief of staff John Podesta has been at the helm of the uberliberal progressive Center for American Progress (CAP) since its founding in 2003, when he was hand-picked for the post by George Soros (remember him?) and other CAP founders. Podesta’s dirty politics, which served him well during the Clinton years and the 2000 election, when he helped force the Bush-Gore standoff to the Supreme Court, made him the logical choice to run CAP and push for change the radical Left has been seeking for years.

Podesta’s agenda at CAP is exactly what you’d expect: social justice (read: Marxism), ObamaCare and increasing government programs (socialism),“ideological diversity” on the airwaves (Fairness Doctrine), abortion on demand (infanticide/genocide), stopping global warming (fear mongering) and degrading American exceptionalism (one-world governance) for starters.

Not surprisingly, he has served as an influential adviser to the Obama White House and helped staff the administration with several of his CAP alumni. Podesta’s think tank has also been the refuge of lefties who have left the administration after having their radicalism exposed (think: Van Jones).

#9 DONALD BERWICK

Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services

Donald Berwick, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services -- or health care czar -- has a love affair with the socialist British health care system and wants a single-payer government system implemented in America.

A strong supporter of spreading the wealth, Berwick believes in death panels, planning the supply of health care and that rationing is essential to an efficiently run system. Berwick has said that "excellent health care is by definition re-distributional" and is an advocate of moving wealth from the rich to the poor in order to secure what he calls the human right of health care. Berwick has publicly condemned private health care systems in America and believes the health care market should not be left to the free hand of the market. Berwick also believes in one-size-fits-all health care, limiting health care options for different individual needs.

Berwick was recess-appointed by President Obama, making the opportunity for a Senate hearing to expose his radical beliefs unavailable. He now controls a budget that dwarfs the budget available to the Pentagon and runs the largest insurance program in the country. He is also responsible for overseeing the implementation of ObamaCare.

http://bcfoley.blogspot.com/2011/01/50-most-d...
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#128978 Nov 20, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Please list his "criminal" actions. Killing Obama and most of his leaders? Pulling out of GWB's catastrophic Iraq? Pulling out of GWB's catastrophic Afghanistan in 2014? Rescuing the Big Three and 100s of jobs? Having the DJIA increase by more thatn 100% in less than 4 years? Decreasing unemployment from 10.5% to 8%?. Bringing in a kind of universal health care plan , which would have been a 100% health care plan if not for Republicans?, reducing the US's dependency on foreign oil and incrasing renewable energy sources? What ARE his criminal actions? Finally, being born in the United States of America from a real American mother, springing from extremely modest roots, with that "coloured" disadvantage and becoming president?
nope. you list them. They are all over this blog, and the news. You lost moron, and everyone in here knows it.
wojar

Clearlake, CA

#128980 Nov 20, 2012
#10 MICHELLE OBAMA

First Lady of the United States

She has the ear of the President and an eye for his political interests. In fact, Time described Michelle Obama as “instrumental” in helping launch Barack Obama’s political career.

“Combined with her own Southside roots – she went to high school with Sanita Jackson, the Rev. Jesse Jackson’s daughter – Michelle’s job gave her husband entree into the best political machine in Illinois,”

Time reported in an August 2008 profile of Michelle, while she was undergoing a public image makeover as a fit and fashionable mother that propelled her to a 79% approval rating in April 2009.

Toned biceps aside, Michelle earned her way on this list by championing government intervention on your child’s lunch plate. The child nutrition bill she endorsed last July federalized nutrition standards for schools – even food sold at fundraising bake sales – and placed a minimum price on paid school meals, a cost that will be passed on to middle-class families.

USA Today said it was the first time she issued a statement regarding and encouraging more legislative action. The bill passed Congress and was sent to her husband for his signature.

http://bcfoley.blogspot.com/2011/01/50-most-d...
Terry Tanna

Clearlake, CA

#128981 Nov 20, 2012
#11 PETER LEWIS

Businessman and Billionaire Liberal Financier; Chairman of Progressive Insurance

It's not just George Soros who serves as the Orphan Annie Left's Daddy Warbucks. There's another major financier the Left turns to with their collective hand out, begging for cash: Soros friend and Progressive Insurance chairman Peter Lewis.

Over the last 10 years, Lewis, whose Florida home is festooned with numerous paintings of communist dictator Mao Zedong, has been right behind Soros in giving to pet causes such as pot legalization and to liberals seeking to fundamentally transform America. Though he's probably best known for his tens of millions of dollars in donations to the ACLU over the last decade ($25 million from just 2001-2006), his real agenda is propping up radical left-wing causes, including millions upon millions of dollars to the now-defunct America Coming Together and Joint Victory Fund (the 2004 fundraising arm of the Democrat Shadow Party, which sought support from only hard-Left donors), MoveOn.org , Media Matters, Democracy Alliance and the Center for American Progress.

#12 RICHARD TRUMKA

President of the AFL-CIO

Richard Trumka has made a career out of driving America’s labor movement into the ground and attempting to bring every other hard-working American down with it. Trumka has served as president of the AFL-CIO since 2009, after working at the organization for 14 years prior and serving as the president of the United Mine Workers since the 1980’s. His single-handed pursuit of soaking the rich is rivaled only by his desire to use politicians to accomplish that goal.

Trumka is most infamously responsible for pushing a worldwide tax and recently called Obama’s deficit commission’s recommendations an attempt to tell working Americans to “drop dead.”

http://bcfoley.blogspot.com/2011/01/50-most-d...
Learn to Read

United States

#128982 Nov 20, 2012
Bad news Birfoons. Allen West concedes

http://politi.co/URU2RI
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#128983 Nov 20, 2012
Re: "Someday, when O'Reilly isn't too busy, he might try calculating the odds that, during the summer of 2008, a fake birth certificate was planted on a Saul Alinsky-inspired website, and two fake 1961 newspaper birth announcements were planted on the web by a complicit Hawaii Health Department, two "independent" newspapers, two anonymous bloggers, and by an unknown filmmaker who believed that more Americans were killed in the 1990s by right-wing terrorists than by foreign terrorists. "

HOWEVER, the birth notices are still in the microfilmed copies of the newspapers, which are still in multiple libraries. It is merely your dream that they are only on the Web, and your dream shows how irrational you are.

In addition to the birth notices that are in the microfilms, there is the birth certificate itself and the confirmation of it repeatedly by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data.

For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:

(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya), and such travel was very rare in 1961; (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it NEVER happened.)

(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city---and they have not been lost;

(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);

(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;

(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories---and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Ohio.

(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie---and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do it.

ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#128984 Nov 20, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>à
My question to you is why you won't even say he's the November 7 winner. My question to you is the use of that word communist, a passé word, finished, debunked and the only communists left are in North Korean and Cuba, and fading fast. Obama's your president, stop hoping the nation will implode just because you hate him. Very patriotic, by the way.
4th request to you Jock Itch...:

so why do you support his criminal actions again? you never answered that, Then I will answer your question.
Jacques Ottawah

Clearlake, CA

#128985 Nov 20, 2012
#13 JOHN HOLDREN
White House Science Czar

As President Obama’s “Science Czar,” John Holdren helps coordinate White House policy on matters of science and technology. The former Harvard professor holds radical views on a number of subjects, several of which he has written about extensively. He once opined that a fetus is not a “human being” until he has experienced “crucial early years” of “socializing.” He has favorably cited an essay proposing that “forests, oceans and rivers” be afforded legal rights.

On the subject of population control – a pet issue of Holdren’s – he’s advocated compulsory abortions and even suggested that mass sterilization would be “acceptable” if it were carried out under “strict requirements.” He wrote this goal might be accomplished by “adding a sterilant to drinking water.”

#14 ANDY STERN
Former President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU).

Andy Stern made history as one of the most frequent White House visitors when President Obama made the list of visitors public last year. That’s because he was one of the grand architects of the health care bill during his tenure as president of the Service Employees International Union, which stands to win big by the socialization of American medicine.

Under Stern’s watch, SEIU fought (and continues to fight) rampant charges of voter fraud and has seen its unfunded pension liabilities explode from $7 million to $1.2 billion. The unfunded pension problem originated long before Stern got there, but he’s relentlessly pushed the idea that the American taxpayer should be the one to make up the losses.

To read more on Andy Stern, click here.

#15 TIMOTHY GEITHNER
Secretary of the Treasury

It’s hard to say whether the failing economy is directly a product of Timothy Geithner’s actions or whether his actions simply didn’t help. Regardless, our 75th Treasury secretary (who has admitted to being too incompetent to file his own income tax return) was responsible for authoring the $700 billion Wall Street bailout,$862 billion stimulus and overseeing one of our longest stretches of unemployment.

It’s hard to pin the blame on a problem that has so many sources, but its clear that Geither’s policies haven’t helped – and have probably made things worse. His feisty rhetoric has angered conservatives and moderates alike.

#16 ARIANNA HUFFINGTON
Co-founder and Editor in Chief of the Huffington Post.

It should be hard to take Right-turned-Left Arianna Huffington seriously when looking at the title of her 2008 book,“Right is Wrong: How the Lunatic Fringe Hijacked America, Shredded the Constitution, and Made Us All Less Safe.” But her platform is the Huffington Post, the preeminent voice of the Left online, and the site generates major traffic – earlier this year, it made the top 10 sites for global news, according to various news reports on Nielson Online’s tracking system. That’s a lot of eyes being exposed to Huffington’s crazy-Left editorial viewpoint.

#17 CHUCK SCHUMER
U.S. Democratic Senator from New York

Many political observers know Chuck Schumer as the publicity-addicted senior U.S. senator from New York. Others regard him as a consummate Washington class warrior and hypocrite, as his broadsides against Republican policies "for the rich" are a bit difficult to swallow, coming from a man who rakes in mammoth donations from hedge funds.

But what makes Schumer especially dangerous is his exceptional political acumen. Schumer chaired the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee from 2005-2008, shepherding Democrats from a 44-seat minority to a 59-seat majority during that span. If Harry Reid had fallen to Sharron Angle in November, Schumer likely would have outmaneuvered Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin to supplant Reid as Senate majority leader.
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#128986 Nov 20, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
Re "Israeli scientists."
They never looked at Obama's birth certificate, and we do not know if they are even scientists. There are some birthers in Israel as there are in the USA.
Only birther "experts"---who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial---say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama's birth certificate.
The birther "experts" include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend It's the and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such "experts" as these that the birthers rely on for their case.
There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama's policies, but shows that the birther "experts" are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama's birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.
As for Sheriff Joe and his posse:
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama ...
and
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indict ...
It is clear that rational conservatives do not believe the "birth certificate was forged" claims. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review certainly do not.
And the conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm specified facts on Obama's birth certificate. Hawaii did, stating that it compared the image of Obama's birth certificate with the file copy (which is an additional confirmation that there was a file copy BTW) and that Obama was born there and that the facts match.
The secretary of state of Arizona accepted this confirmation and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November, and he was--and he was on the ballot in ALL the states (and he won both the electoral college vote and the popular vote by more than two and a half million votes). This indicates that the conservative secretary of state of Arizona does not believe the claims that the birth certificate is forged (including those of Sheriff Joe) and that he does believe the officials in Hawaii.
How do we know that there is a birth certificate for Obama in the files in Hawaii and that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii??
The first way is the short form birth certificate. That was created by a clerk copying the information off of the original document in the files. If there were no document, there could be no short form birth certificate. Hawaii has confirmed that it sent a short form birth certificate (COLB) to Obama.
The second way is that Hawaii said that there is, several times, under both Republican and Democrat governors.
The third reason is that the current director of health of Hawaii stated in a letter that she had seen the long form birth certificate being created by photocopying onto security paper the original document that was in the files.
The fourth reason is that the existence of Obama's birth certificate in 1961 is proven by the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii. Only the DOH could send those notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers, and the DOH sent only sent those notices for children whom it had issued birth certificates for.
Would you like me to post the citations of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii?
It's Netanyahu's way of showing his gratitude for the U.S.'s dome defense that Obama sent Israel's way last year, Ellen,
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#128988 Nov 20, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>à
My question to you is why you won't even say he's the November 7 winner. My question to you is the use of that word communist, a passé word, finished, debunked and the only communists left are in North Korean and Cuba, and fading fast. Obama's your president, stop hoping the nation will implode just because you hate him. Very patriotic, by the way.

5th request to you Jock itch....

so why do you support his criminal actions again? you never answered that, Then I will answer yours.

coward?
Jacques Ottawah

Clearlake, CA

#128989 Nov 20, 2012
#13 JOHN HOLDREN

White House Science Czar

As President Obama’s “Science Czar,” John Holdren helps coordinate White House policy on matters of science and technology. The former Harvard professor holds radical views on a number of subjects, several of which he has written about extensively. He once opined that a fetus is not a “human being” until he has experienced “crucial early years” of “socializing.” He has favorably cited an essay proposing that “forests, oceans and rivers” be afforded legal rights.

On the subject of population control – a pet issue of Holdren’s – he’s advocated compulsory abortions and even suggested that mass sterilization would be “acceptable” if it were carried out under “strict requirements.” He wrote this goal might be accomplished by “adding a sterilant to drinking water.”

#14 ANDY STERN

Former President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU).

Andy Stern made history as one of the most frequent White House visitors when President Obama made the list of visitors public last year. That’s because he was one of the grand architects of the health care bill during his tenure as president of the Service Employees International Union, which stands to win big by the socialization of American medicine.

Under Stern’s watch, SEIU fought (and continues to fight) rampant charges of voter fraud and has seen its unfunded pension liabilities explode from $7 million to $1.2 billion. The unfunded pension problem originated long before Stern got there, but he’s relentlessly pushed the idea that the American taxpayer should be the one to make up the losses.

To read more on Andy Stern, click here.

#15 TIMOTHY GEITHNER

Secretary of the Treasury

It’s hard to say whether the failing economy is directly a product of Timothy Geithner’s actions or whether his actions simply didn’t help. Regardless, our 75th Treasury secretary (who has admitted to being too incompetent to file his own income tax return) was responsible for authoring the $700 billion Wall Street bailout,$862 billion stimulus and overseeing one of our longest stretches of unemployment.

It’s hard to pin the blame on a problem that has so many sources, but its clear that Geither’s policies haven’t helped – and have probably made things worse. His feisty rhetoric has angered conservatives and moderates alike.

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