BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Dedham, MA

#128918 Nov 20, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Your list of excuses for this liar grows larger and larger, day by day. GTF out of our country you scum.
I merely cite the facts. The fact is that Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, which can easily be determined by calling the Indonesian Embassy. Oh, and despite all the birther claims Obama was re-elected and will continue to be president FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

Since: May 10

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#128919 Nov 20, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
LOL, Birfoon Allen West lost even worse on the recount.
Yea BUT, no one will investigate the criminal allegations of voter fraud. You can count the ballots over and over again but it there are some that are illegal ballots and no one investigates, you will end up with the same results.
In 2008 they caught a poll worker in West Palm Beach with a Vote-A-Matic machine in the trunk of his car but since he was not caught using it, they did not investigate. Ah, what was he doing with a Vote-A-Matic in his trunk in he did not plan on using it?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#128920 Nov 20, 2012
Al Gore Sued by Vote-A-Matic

Even though presidential hopeful Al Gore invented the punch card reading Vote-A-Matic, while in-vitro, that did not prevent the current owners of the voting machine company from filing suit for trademark infringement.

The phrase "A Fair And Accurate Count" was trademarked by the Vote-A-Matic Corporation back in 1906. Throughout the past hundred years, Vote-A-Matic had used the trademarked phrase to differentiate its product from other competing voting sytems.

"The use of our phrase by Al Gore and the Democratic Party was unauthorized" cited M. Albert Hayes, legal council for Vote-A-Matic. "Vote-A-Matic strongly objects to the implications that our machines are less accurate than a human, when counting votes". Apparently sales of Vote-A-Matic machines have dropped precipitously since Mr Gore has put in question the machines accuracy. More information as it becomes available--Staff

Dedham, MA

#128921 Nov 20, 2012
Re "Israeli scientists."

They never looked at Obama's birth certificate, and we do not know if they are even scientists. There are some birthers in Israel as there are in the USA.

Only birther "experts"---who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial---say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama's birth certificate.

The birther "experts" include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend (and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such "experts" as these that the birthers rely on for their case.

There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama's policies, but shows that the birther "experts" are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama's birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.

As for Sheriff Joe and his posse: ...

and ...

It is clear that rational conservatives do not believe the "birth certificate was forged" claims. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review certainly do not.

And the conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm specified facts on Obama's birth certificate. Hawaii did, stating that it compared the image of Obama's birth certificate with the file copy (which is an additional confirmation that there was a file copy BTW) and that Obama was born there and that the facts match.

The secretary of state of Arizona accepted this confirmation and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November, and he was--and he was on the ballot in ALL the states (and he won both the electoral college vote and the popular vote by more than two and a half million votes). This indicates that the conservative secretary of state of Arizona does not believe the claims that the birth certificate is forged (including those of Sheriff Joe) and that he does believe the officials in Hawaii.

How do we know that there is a birth certificate for Obama in the files in Hawaii and that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii??

The first way is the short form birth certificate. That was created by a clerk copying the information off of the original document in the files. If there were no document, there could be no short form birth certificate. Hawaii has confirmed that it sent a short form birth certificate (COLB) to Obama.

The second way is that Hawaii said that there is, several times, under both Republican and Democrat governors.

The third reason is that the current director of health of Hawaii stated in a letter that she had seen the long form birth certificate being created by photocopying onto security paper the original document that was in the files.

The fourth reason is that the existence of Obama's birth certificate in 1961 is proven by the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii. Only the DOH could send those notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers, and the DOH sent only sent those notices for children whom it had issued birth certificates for.

Would you like me to post the citations of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii?

Dedham, MA

#128922 Nov 20, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Yea BUT, no one will investigate the criminal allegations of voter fraud. You can count the ballots over and over again but it there are some that are illegal ballots and no one investigates, you will end up with the same results.
In 2008 they caught a poll worker in West Palm Beach with a Vote-A-Matic machine in the trunk of his car but since he was not caught using it, they did not investigate. Ah, what was he doing with a Vote-A-Matic in his trunk in he did not plan on using it?
Birther claims of vote fraud are like their claims that Obama's birth certificate was forged. Who would think that they would do anything other than claim that there was vote fraud?

Clearlake, CA

#128923 Nov 20, 2012

Critics: Obama’s Latest Long-Form Birth Certificate Is a Fake …Update: More Expert Opinion
Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 7:31 PM

Long-form pdf link. /sites/default/files/rss_viewe r/birth-certificate-long-form. pdf

Photoshop expert and author of more than 17 books on computer graphics Mara Z. sent this in:
This is so maddening to listen to the media on this recent revelation… it’s such an obvious fake.

(Click on image for larger view)

Look at the attached JPG…(which shows what you will see when opening the PDF in Illustrator and how to get there)… but to recap… if you open the PDF in Illustrator (instead of Photoshop)– Select the entire document and go to the Object menu and choose Clipping Mask > Release. Repeat as necessary until all clipping masks are released. Also open the Layer and turn off the visibility of each clipping group and you can see all the numerous places in which information was added (edited) into the form.

Lastly, look at the attached 1961 sample image found on the Internet of a legitimate 1961 Hawaii Birth Certificate (which someone posted to show what a real certificate would look like from that year in Hawaii)… look at the marks on this Internet version and you can see this was the template for Obama’s BC handiwork. The handwriting is exactly the same between posted Internet image and Obama’s fake version — the placement of boxes and marks are in the exact same position, dates are where the modified clipping masks occur to adjust dates to fit for Obama, but the handwriting of dates match (except for the clipping mask changes). Even the Cert. number is only off by the last two digits (which…you guessed it… happens to be a clipping mask layer).

Finally, also wanted to make the point that regardless of where Obama is born, he’s still not a Natural Born Citizen since both parents were not born on U.S. soil but I won’t hold my breath waiting for the media to educate the public on this fact.

More doubt… Another graphics designer reported it was a fake.

UPDATE: Another expert John G. sent in these comments and this image:
(Click to Enlarge)

I have been using Adobe Illustrator since the original version (Illustrator 88) came out in 1988.
I have attached a few Illustrator files that I believe will provide evidence that I am indeed an illustrator expert. I can send out the original files if you wish.

The comments made by Mara Z are very interesting. The first question is – what was the source of this pdf file? If the pdf file came from Obama’s people, the claims that this document was “doctored” may indeed be of merit. The first question is, why are there any layers on this document at all? It was clearly created in Photoshop, which is always used for image processing.

The second question is, if you look at the file I have sent as Obama Certificate Actions 01, you can see in the actions palette that there were 24 actions performed on this file before it was made into a pdf. Many of the actions are not Illustrator functions, but are Photoshop actions. Thus, this file was created in Photoshop, and exported as Photoshop 5 (why, that’s a very old version?) and it was next saved for the web (a Photoshop action) three times.

Again, first, we need to ascertain where this file came from.

Clearlake, CA

#128924 Nov 20, 2012
International doubt develops

Officials from both Germany and Russia commented that the American government was conducting a fraud upon its own people. The phony COLB came at a time when Hawaii under the demand of many requests by investigators for Obama’s birth certificate stiffened its laws and actually made it more difficult to get one unless stringent actions were taken slowing the process down to weeks. Even Neil Abercrombie, newly elected Governor of Hawaii, could not find Obama's birth certificate. Yet, Obama said in a public statement that he had made special arrangements with the Hawaiian State Health Department to have a copy speeded up and sent to the White House. Many people smelled a rat!

Clearlake, CA

#128925 Nov 20, 2012

Voter Fraud is Real: Why the Voting Rights Act Should Be Used to Fight Election Fraud

by Horace Cooper

Election fraud in America is no laughing matter. Florida election officials have discovered that the state's voter polls have 53,000 dead voters still registered to vote.1 That's a whole city of dead voters still "eligible" to vote – more than the entire population of Pensacola, Florida!

Clearlake, CA

#128926 Nov 20, 2012
Obama's 'Long-Form Birth Certificate' is Fake, Claims Israeli Website

A webpage belonging to the Israel Science and Technology website states that after careful analysis, they found that the "long form birth certificate" that was produced by the White House is actually a forged document.

Contained in the website is an explanation as to why a closer examination of the document in question was conducted.

After the White House released the Presidents birth certificate in April 2011, following several years of inquiry, it "raised in our minds the possibility that there could be something suspicious about the information available on this document."

The website was created by Dr. Israel Hanukoglu, a former science adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Hanukoglu is a professor of biochemistry and molecular biology at Ariel University in Ariel, Israel.

The website was first created during Hanukoglu's time as an advisor to Netanyahu and since then has been regarded as the leading science and technology resource for many Israelis.

A statement contained on the webpage details the sensitive nature of the work and also highlights the role a science and technology website has in determining legitimacy of such an important document.
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"Mr. Obama is the president of the USA that is currently the leader of the Free World, and the most powerful country in the Western hemisphere," the site says. "In his position as the President, the policies pursued by Mr. Obama affects the whole world and not just the USA."

"The publication of such a blatantly fake document about something so basic as the birthplace of Mr. Obama, should raise great concern about the suitability of the person who is holding the reins on the most powerful country of the World," the statement continued.

The controversy surrounding Obama's birth certificate has not died down and in some aspects has actually intensified. The speculation around the validity of the document has been fueled by many prominent individuals including several congressional representatives as well as media personalities.
Grand Birther

United States

#128927 Nov 20, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Yep, but in the case of the State Mandate part of ObamaCare, it has been ruled UN-Constitutional!
I'm certain you don't even know what you're talking about.

Please explain what you think the above means and to what it pertains.

Clearlake, CA

#128928 Nov 20, 2012
Libtards R Stupid

Obama Birth Certificate Fraud

Executive Summary – We cannot say conclusively at this point that Obama has committed birth certificate fraud. We will say our opinion is he is guilty and we await more revealing of the facts.

Review – Obama has failed to produce a certificate of his birth. He has instead produced a certificate of live birth from Hawaii. He was born in 1961. Hawaii became a state in 1959. They were trying to register people in the books avidly since Hawaii was a state and the USA even then loved keeping files on people. The people in the Islands of Hawaii were doing a lot of births at home. Many did not have birth certificates. They got into issuing these certificates to document the population. Things were loose back then new to statehood and all. There has been a failure to produce his birth certificate showing the birth records at the hospital signed by a doctor etc. These records are sealed we are told. Of course I do not believe it. Anyone who makes it to the White House is an accomplished liar, well here maybe not such an accomplished liar but a lair anyway.

Clearlake, CA

#128929 Nov 20, 2012

Obama Born in Kenya –

A tricky radio interviewer interviews the Kenyan Ambassador to the USA and queries him about Obama being born in Kenya. The Ambassador talks openly about his birthplace in Kenya already being set up as a national monument right after the election. Hear this for yourself.

Clearlake, CA

#128930 Nov 20, 2012

There is also evidence that Obama was an Indonesian citizen.

Was young Obama Indonesian citizen?
When Obama filed for his law license with Illinois bar association he stated he did not have any other names. What happened to Barry Sotero?

You can see the documents and read about the discrepancies here:

Clearlake, CA

#128931 Nov 20, 2012
Suffice it to say that there are lawsuits taking place over this in USA courts. Obama has never produced his real birth certificate. He has a cousin who is a high-ranking government official in Kenya who has his birth records sealed. Hawaii will not release his real birth certificate either. Very odd indeed. Something is wrong here. There were US military figures that have refused to obey orders because he is not qualified to be the commander in chief. Thus the orders are invalid and expose the soldier to war crime prosecution. The latest incident of this caused the military to rescind the orders to push the problem under the rug. There is a court case where Obamas lawyers asked for a continuance and got 90 days, which is up in September. They did not just show the correct birth certificate, they are fighting it. Come on.
Grand Birther

United States

#128932 Nov 20, 2012
Birfoons, did you know that after extensive investigation in-person voter fraud has been found to be so miniscule, so infintisimal, so meaningless, and that most allegations are so unfounded, it's not even a problem?
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#128933 Nov 20, 2012
Obama’s “Birth Announcement” Microfilm Reels Are Very Different

Check out the reels at the bottom of the article.

Clearlake, CA

#128934 Nov 20, 2012

Exclusive: Jack Cashill reports on woman's court filing based on myriad anomalies
Published: 07/04/2012 at 6:39 PM

If Barack Obama has an immediate eligibility problem, it is more likely to derive from the Social Security Number he has been using for the last 35 years than from his birth certificate.

Ohio private investigator Susan Daniels has seen to that. On Monday, July 2, she filed suit in Geauga County (Ohio) Common Pleas Court demanding that Jon Husted, Ohio secretary of state, remove Obama’s name from the ballot until Obama can prove the validity of his Social Security Number.

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Daniels, who has vetted thousands of Social Security Numbers for numerous other clients, has done her homework. In her filing, she thoroughly documents her contention “that Barack Obama has repeatedly, consistently, and with intent misrepresented himself by using a fraudulently obtained Social Security Number.”

To acquire appropriate standing in court, Daniels has gone to the trouble of establishing herself as a valid write-in candidate for president. Before she is through, this 70-something mother of seven, who has been a licensed Ohio PI since 1995, may cause Obama more trouble than the Romney campaign.

Daniels started her investigation in August 2009. Given her profession, she has been able to access a variety of proprietary databases. What she learned without much trouble is that Obama has been using a Social Security Number with the prefix “042&#8243; since 1986.

As she discovered, the “042&#8243; number is reserved for the exclusive use of individuals who register in Connecticut. When she ran 10 sequential numbers before and after Obama’s, all returned with the documentation “issued 1977-1979 in CT.”

When Daniels ran the numbers immediately flanking Obama’s, she came to the firm conviction that Obama’s number was issued in March 1977 in Connecticut.

By all accounts, as Daniels thoroughly documents, Obama was then a 15-year-old living in Hawaii. There is no record of him even visiting Connecticut in or near this time frame.

To have gotten a Social Security card at this time Obama would have had to show up for a “mandatory in-person interview.” This could not have taken place in Connecticut. Obama’s sister, Maya, by contrast, uses a number appropriate for a Hawaiian resident.

Daniels checked other databases as well to validate her findings, including the Massachusetts Department of Motor Vehicles and the IRS. Yes, Obama used the 042 number to get a driver’s license when at Harvard and as recently as on his 2009 income tax return.

In her research, Daniels kept coming across what she calls a “marked anomaly,” one she had never seen before – multiple birthdates listed for the same person. The 08/04/1961 and 04/08/1961 variation made sense, but the frequent appearance of the year “1890&#8243; did not.

The ample evidence Daniels gathered led her to believe that the 042 number Obama has been using “had previously been issued to another person,” one who lived in Connecticut between 1977 and 1979 and who was born in 1890.

This assertion can be verified. By law, the Social Security Administration will have kept on microfilm a copy of the original SS-5 application attached to a particular Social Security Number. Daniels, however, does not have access to that microfilm.

For this reason, Daniels has filed suit.“Defendant Husted, through this filing,” she argues,“has been made aware that the Democratic Candidate has been using a fraudulent Social Security Number, which would render Barack Obama ineligible under both the Ohio and U.S. Constitutions.”

Clearlake, CA

#128935 Nov 20, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Birfoons, did you know that after extensive investigation in-person voter fraud has been found to be so miniscule, so infintisimal, so meaningless, and that most allegations are so unfounded, it's not even a problem?

Clearlake, CA

#128936 Nov 20, 2012

Daniels asks the court, among other things, to issue an injunction against Obama’s name appearing on ballot until it is determined that he is using a proper Social Security Number.

Given the response of courts elsewhere, it is unlikely that Daniels will find satisfaction in Geauga County or from the Republican secretary of state.

What Daniels has done, however, is establish a paper trail so indisputably legitimate that even the most squeamish of conservative media will have a hard time finding fault.

The major media, of course, will not bother to look. It is up to our Beltway brethren to step up and ask some very basic questions of the president that they, through their timidity in 2008, helped elect. The Romney campaign cannot talk about this issue without their support.

Clearlake, CA

#128937 Nov 20, 2012

BREAKING! Detective Probes Obama SSN Mystery - Files Suit in Ohio!

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