BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Since: May 10

Location hidden

#126994 Nov 14, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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You really are stubborn, aren't you? IF HE DOES NOT BELIEVE IT, HE IS NOT A MORMON, particularly not a deacon if he does not believe in the mormon credo which clearly says you are an abomination. He donated $3 million to the mormon church last year. We can only assume he is mormonm, and if he is, has to accept what the book of mormon teaches. Not a question of what's in his heart, I have no idea. But I do have a clear idea that he is a devout mormon and there are mormon revelations that he must go by. Period. If the pope believes murder is legitimate, he is no longer a catholic in good standing, and even less pope.
You still have not shown us where it says that. No third party links please.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#126995 Nov 14, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And in late January, Obama will blame the previous administration for the economy. And the Libtards will laugh! A nervous laugh!
Wow. If this keeps up he may not get re-elected next time!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#126996 Nov 14, 2012
American Birfoon Got Stupid wrote:
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Is the Presidency a Federal office?
It is certainly not a State or local office, MORON!
Sorry, Tacky, the statute doesn't apply to the President.

It applies to APPOINTMENTS through "any personnel action that brings onto the rolls of an executive agency as a civil service officer or employee as defined in 5 U.S.C. 2104 or 2105, respectively, a person who is not currently employed in that agency."

Needless to say, the POTUS is not a civil service officer or employee as defined in 5 U.S.C. 2104 or 2105.

UR a real piece of work, Tacky.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#126999 Nov 14, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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You still have not shown us where it says that. No third party links please.
To jacqazz "assume" equals "fact".

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#127000 Nov 14, 2012
Guru wrote:
obama is doing his best press conf in 8 months.
wow. I can't wait to hear more lies and empty bullshit.
LRS wrote:
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I refuse to allow his image to appear on my TV!
"Best", it is the only press conf. in the past 8 months!
But it is still Bush's fault. Just like the levees failing were the fault of the Corps of Engineers.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#127001 Nov 14, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
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Do you possess even one iota of common sense, WoTARD?
Is the Presidency a Federal office?
Why yes, it certainly is.
It is certainly not a State or local office, MORON!
Go suck an egg, WoTARD!
R U on drugs?
R U high?
Grow up!
Sorry, Tacky, the statute doesn't apply to the President.

It applies to APPOINTMENTS through "any personnel action that brings onto the rolls of an executive agency as a civil service officer or employee as defined in 5 U.S.C. 2104 or 2105, respectively, a person who is not currently employed in that agency."

Needless to say, the POTUS is not a civil service officer or employee as defined in 5 U.S.C. 2104 or 2105.

UR a real piece of work, Tacky.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#127003 Nov 14, 2012
Guru wrote:
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you are nuts lady...this has NEVER happened in the history of our country/...this is all on obama. obama is a failure of a president and as a man. He entire career has been only due to fraudulent documents, forgeries, hiding who he is like all of his college transcripts, books that he did not write, lies, forged selective service card, stolen SS#, you name it. That is nothing to be proud of in case you haven't figured that one out yet. This election was nothing but fraud, that is clear now, and Romney won it.
The reason people are doing this is because they don't like their country being used this way. Who cares what obama wants, people want him out of there.
He got in through fraud twice. Now comes the pitchforks.
Petitions on various subjects happen all the time.

Obama did not release his college transcripts because no president ever has released them, and Romney did not release his either. Obama's SS number was not stolen, it was the result of an error, and there are MILLIONS of them in the SS system. Who told you that the system was perfect? Why did you believe them?

In contrast, Obama's Selective Service card was indeed forged. It was forged by the birther who put it online.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#127004 Nov 14, 2012
Re "now come the pitchforks."

The Secret Service is watching.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#127006 Nov 14, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
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Obama doesn't know that by his own admission!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =EpGH02DtIwsXX
I've now been to 57 States, with 1 left to go.
Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go.
That is a grand total of 60 States, MORON!
The Obama quotation about 57 states was in an interview about primaries and caucuses and straw polls. Some states have both primaries and caucuses and some have primaries and straw polls. And, there was a primary in the District of Columbia, which is not a state but which does have the right to vote for president. He was in more primaries and caucuses than there are states because there ARE more primaries and caucuses than there are states.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#127008 Nov 14, 2012
Birfoon is Stupid wrote:
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Derp Derp Derp Derp
Fewer votes wins!

Someone get Allen West on the red line STAT!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#127011 Nov 14, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Accentuate the "Duh" in Noway, Ellen. He and birthers are now questioning how the media always predicted and stil predict eventual races. Everyone knows that the great majority of races, I'd say 90%, are decided after 5% of the vote is in. That's a fact. Why, polls are taken with less than 1% of 1% of the population and are always pretty close.
I disagree with you. Sorry to disagree with someone with whom I normally agree.

The standard for calling an election has to be considerably higher than polls, even exit polls---which can be highly accurate because of their large size IF they are conducted right, but there have been some times when they have been done completely wrong.

Ordinary polls, if close, can be off dramatically simply because of the weather.

The key is a combination of factors. In this case, all the networks and the AP could be certain of the trend because the areas that had not registered their votes yet were mainly Obama areas, AND the exit polls showed that the vote in those areas was going for Obama and the size and turnout in those areas was enough to far exceed any votes coming in from Romney areas.

One of the problems with exit polls is that they, like all polls, have to be done on a completely random basis. But that can be enormously expensive. It means that the people doing the polling at a selected voting site have to be there the entire day. If they miss some hours at that site, the poll is no longer random because Republicans may vote later or Democrats or whatever.

In this case, it seems likely that the exit polls were done well, but I remember some bad ones.
Grand Birther

United States

#127012 Nov 14, 2012
Lol, the worse Tacky loses, the more hysteric his childish name calling becomes.
Grand Birther

United States

#127013 Nov 14, 2012
LRS wrote:
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*failed attempt to troll*
Wow, you suck at this.
Grand Birther

United States

#127016 Nov 14, 2012
Birfoon is Stupid wrote:
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You are a LIAR, WoTARD!
Are you really this damn STUPID, WoTARD?
Federal Executive Branch
The president is the head of the executive branch of the government, which includes many departments and agencies.
http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/Executive...
The Presidency a Federal office.
It is certainly not a State or local office, MORON!
Go suck an egg, WoTARD!
R U on drugs?
R U high?
Grow up!
Kentucky, you are so adamant, so this should be really easy.

Merely prove that the president is a federal employee and there are no exceptions for the office.

Spamming BS, as you may have noticed over the last four years, is not an effective means of proving anything other than your own idiocy.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#127017 Nov 14, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
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Psst, RETARD, we are still waiting for you to post ANY COPY of Obama's long form birth certificate that contains a raised visible embossed seal that was released to the public in April 2011.
The raised seal does not show up in the scanned image.

You claim that because the seal is not visible on the scan that the document does not exist. But that is what YOU claim, and you have not shown evidence. The explanation is simply that a scan of a Hawaii long form birth certificate put into pdf does not pick up the raised seal.

It is up to you to prove that a scan of a Hawaii long form put into pdf picks up the raised seal in order to prove your theory.

Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate exists. And the officials in Hawaii in fact stated that they sent a copy to Obama, and at least one reporter said that she had felt the seal.

We know that Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate in several ways.

The first is the short-form birth certificate. It is generated by a clerk in the Hawaii DOH reading the information in the files and entering it in a computer form. For that to happen there has to be a document in the files. For the birth certificate not to exist, the clerk would have had to have been lying, and the confirmations by the Republican officials in 2008 would have to be lies as well.

We also know that Obama had a birth certificate in 1961 from the notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH in that year.

We know that only the DOH could send those notices for these reasons: Because the representative of the newspapers said so, because the representative of the DOH said so and because the section of the newspaper was called "Health Bureau Statistics"---which meant that the facts in it came from the Health Bureau, the DOH.

In 1961, the DOH was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children born outside of Hawaii, and it only sent birth notices to the papers for children born in Hawaii.

And there is the Index Data file and the statement of the witness who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about "Stanley having a baby." So we know that Obama had a Hawaii birth certificate.

Your claim is that despite (1) the existence of Obama's birth certificate being proven by the notices sent to the newspapers in 1961; (2) the officials in Hawaii stating that they sent both the short form and the long form versions of it to him, and (3) despite a reporter having said that she felt the seal on it--that the birth certificate does not exist and that both the officials in Hawaii and the reporter are lying because the embossed seal does not show up on a PDF scan. Well, prove your claim, show that it is possible for a PDF scan to pick up a raised seal.

Obama's mother lived in Hawaii. Obama's father was studying in Hawaii. There is not a shred of evidence that either of them went from Hawaii to any other country in 1961---and certainly not to Kenya, where the Kenyan government said that it checked on the "born in Kenya" claim and found that it was false. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and pregnant women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days, and yet you and other birthers think that there could be a chance that Obama was born outside of the USA and that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about that fact.
Grand Birther

United States

#127018 Nov 14, 2012
Birfoon is Stupid wrote:
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iota!
Birfoon had never known this word until I used it here.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#127019 Nov 14, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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You accused Obama of saying there were 57 states . According to you, there are 60. See how easy it is to misspeak. Obama knows there are 50 states, as you also know there are 50 states.
America Got Stupid wrote:
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Obama doesn't know that by his own admission!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =EpGH02DtIwsXX
I've now been to 57 States, with 1 left to go.
Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go.
That is a grand total of 60 States, MORON!
Sorry Jacques, if Obama knew there was just 50 states, he has several point in which he could have corrected himself. Here is an airplane accident where the pilot had at least three warning signs but he continued with his take off and flight.
Airplane Crash In-Cockpit Footage: Stinson 108-3
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
1) his airport was at over 6,000 feet above sea level so he should have known he could not take off at with a full passenger load.
2) Excessive take off run ..... times two or three (time to abort).
3) Stall warning horn is ON! He airspeed should be at least 15% above stall speed so he should have been at around 60 mph but he was probably at about 45 mph.
4) Not gaining altitude. It looks like he had gained a maximum of 200 feet.
5) With all those warning signs he still passed over what looks like a good forced landing area only to crash in the trees.
Now, watch Obama's video again and see the several sign he passed where he should have know there were no 57 States!!!
Grand Birther

United States

#127021 Nov 14, 2012
Lol, poor Kentucky has to desperately search dictionary.com just to understand the posts made by the normal ripple here.

And yet you should just take his word for it that the president is subject to his made up rules.

Lololololol

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#127022 Nov 14, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
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Are you really this damn STUPID, WoTARD?
Federal Executive Branch
The president is the head of the executive branch of the government, which includes many departments and agencies.
http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/Executive...
The Presidency a Federal office.
It is certainly not a State or local office, MORON!
Go suck an egg, WoTARD!
R U on drugs?
R U high?
Grow up!
The Presidency is a Federal Office? Ya don't say!

The President is the "head of the executive branch"? That's news?

However, 5 U.S.C.§ 3328 does not say "any federal office," Dumbo.

Get your facts straight.

Under § 2104 an "officer" means "a justice or judge of the United States and an individual who is—
(1) required by law to be appointed in the civil service by one of the following acting in an official capacity—
(A) the President;
(B) a court of the United States;
(C) the head of an Executive agency; or
(D) the Secretary of a military department;
(2) engaged in the performance of a Federal function under authority of law or an Executive act; and
(3) subject to the supervision of an authority named by paragraph (1) of this section, or the Judicial Conference of the United States, while engaged in the performance of the duties of his office."

Sorry, BirfoonBoy.

Get your head on straight.

The President is not an employee either:

"(a) For the purpose of this title,“employee”, except as otherwise provided by this section or when specifically modified, means an officer and an individual who is—
(1) appointed in the civil service by one of the following acting in an official capacity—
(A) the President;
(B) a Member or Members of Congress, or the Congress;
(C) a member of a uniformed service;
(D) an individual who is an employee under this section;
(E) the head of a Government controlled corporation; or
(F) an adjutant general designated by the Secretary concerned under section 709 (c) of title 32;
(2) engaged in the performance of a Federal function under authority of law or an Executive act; and
(3) subject to the supervision of an individual named by paragraph (1) of this subsection while engaged in the performance of the duties of his position."

Grow up, Tacky.
wojar wrote:
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Sorry, Tacky, the statute doesn't apply to the President.
It applies to APPOINTMENTS through "any personnel action that brings onto the rolls of an executive agency as a civil service officer or employee as defined in 5 U.S.C. 2104 or 2105, respectively, a person who is not currently employed in that agency."
Needless to say, the POTUS is not a civil service officer or employee as defined in 5 U.S.C. 2104 or 2105.
UR a real piece of work, Tacky.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#127025 Nov 14, 2012
President Barack H. Obama

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Obama releases his birth certificate which appears to be a fake.
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Is Obama qualified for his job?
He has been a public parasite all his life <<<--<<
He was a "Community Organizer" — Big Deal!
He is a self-centered opportunist with an easily bruised ego
http://www.akdart.com/obama.html

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