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The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#126171 Nov 12, 2012
The Emerging Pro-Choice Majority

Abortion rights, we’re told, are our Great Divider. America is cleaved in two. Fifty unremitting percent on either side. There is no United States of America, only pro and anti choice America.

But what if that’s not true? Or, more precisely, what if that won’t be true for much longer?

The 2012 election has been touted as a watershed moment for the Democratic Party, but it may have been one for the pro-choice cause as well. And it’s not because the would-be rape caucus was defeated or that pro-choice candidates won big, though those help. Rather, it’s that there’s good reasons to believe the coalition Obama has built is not only durable, but also staunchly pro-choice. If that’s true, it could signify the start of a major shift on what had previously been thought to have been a fundamental fault line in American politics.

Let’s start with the exit polling. The 2012 electorate was overwhelmingly pro-choice; 59 percent said abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while only 36 percent said the reverse. The critical swing states followed the pattern, with some like Virginia falling to the left of the national average. Exit polls should be taken with a grain of salt, of course, but these numbers undeniably suggest American voters are more pro-choice than previously thought, especially in the states up for grabs in Presidential and Senatorial elections.

These data throw a monkey wrench in the conventional wisdom about abortion rights — namely, that it’s an issue that the GOP could use to make inroads with the new Obama coalition. Young voters, women, African-Americans, and Latinos have average-to-conservative views on choice, we’re told. But many identified as pro-choice in 2012. What gives?

Part of the answer is that the general picture is wrong: these key Democratic groups generally track the national average on abortion or tilt left. Though some polls suggest young voters are likely to support restricting abortion rights, the most systematic evidence suggests Milllenials are as, if not more, likely to support keeping abortion legal in all or most cases as the general population. Ditto with women. While African-Americans used to lean right, the most recent polling suggests a decisive pro-choice shift.

Even Latinos, who generally (though not always) tend to oppose abortion rights, have more complicated views than pundits generally let on. While first and second generation Latino-Americans tend to oppose abortion in most or all cases, third generation and higher Latinos support abortion rights by a 19 point margin. Since the Latino population boom is currently being fueled by birth rather than immigration, the third generation cohort seems likely to grow over time. Not incidentally, Latinos who voted in the 2012 election supported keeping abortion legal by a 2:1 margin (though, for it’s worth, the poll didn’t include Texas).
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#126172 Nov 12, 2012
NO more American Lady wrote:
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THIS post WAS for YOU!!!!!
What is the Supplemental Poverty Measure and How Does it Differ from the Official Measure? ...
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Donations - Texas Match the Promise Fund ...
Yes, American er hmm PATRIOT Lady, who is beseeching everyone to sign a petition asking for 20 states to secede and break up the country. Funny and strange patriot. Pravda and Putin surely put her up to this. The US bought Alaska,(Seward's folly) why not the Russians getting even and buying those 20 states,(Putin's folly). Putin's smart, I'm sure he'd insist on a money-back guarantee.
NO more American Lady

Danville, KY

#126174 Nov 12, 2012

November 13 , 2012

NBCUniversal - 500

Dana Corporation - Warns Employees of Poss. Layoffs

Mississippi County Arkansas - About 12 Layoffs

TMX Group ( International )- Plans to Cut 100 Jobs

November 12 , 2012

Update: Wingspan Portfolio Advisors - 459 Possible Layoffs

German news agency dapd -100

The Commercial Appeal - Another Round of Layoffs?

Airlines SAS ( International )- About 6,000 Jobs Lost


November 13 , 2012

Hostess Brands Inc Permanently Closing 3 Bakeries Following a Nationwide Strike

Philips Electronics subsidiary Lightolier will close its local fluorescent light fixture manufacturing plant in Willington

November 12 , 2012

Update: 2 SunTrust Bank branches on the Eastern Shore of Virginia

Dena's Hallmark in Champaign Commons Plaza IL?
Learn to Read

United States

#126175 Nov 12, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>We eat what we want, when we want. Have you seen the size of her thick azz? Plus, she's not our mother! Tell us what to eat....please. A reminder: "all this for a damned flag"! American my azz!!!!!!
Typical class act Birfoon. What a putz
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#126176 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
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So? Most Republican like to keep their intimate relationships quiet! But I wonder if she, she is a she, isn't she?, would get upset that the guy she was with was also Bi?!?
If I was a woman, I would not some guys penis in me that had also need butt-f-ed by a gay guy who might have AIDS!
You'll not that "The truth" did not go into detail. Howerver,
how you enjoy talking about that stuff, don't you? Hell, rogue, c'mon, relax, emjoy, you WANT to. You know you want to. We all know that's why you're sporting those pink tights. No takers? So sorry. There's always "escorts".
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#126177 Nov 12, 2012
Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol: Raising Millionaires’ Taxes ‘Won’t Kill The Country’

Even before the election results came in Tuesday, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) was focused on narrowing options for compromise to resolve the looming “fiscal cliff,” saying he would not support a tax increase on the wealthiest Americans. But on Fox News Sunday, conservative Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol counseled Republican leadership to stop “falling on its sword to defend a bunch of millionaires”:

I think honest debate, fresh thinking, leadership in the Republican party and the leadership in the conservative movement has to pull back, let people float new ideas. Let’s have a serious debate. Don’t scream and yell over what one person says.

You know what? It won’t kill the country if Republicans raise taxes a little bit on millionaires. It really won’t, I don’t think.

I don’t really understand why Republicans don’t take Obama’s offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000. Make it $500,000, make it a million.

Really? The Republican party is gonna fall on its sword to defend a bunch of millionaires, half of whom voted Democratic, and half of whom live in Hollywood and are hostile to Republicans?

Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) infamous budget proposal would have cut taxes on those making more than $1 million, while ending tax cuts for those with the lowest incomes — a plan Kristol predicted Republicans would have difficulty defending. But even in the face of poor election results and exit polls that showed 60 percent of Americans support higher taxes for the wealthy, Boehner reiterated his opposition to raising taxes on Friday, as did Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#126178 Nov 12, 2012
NO more American Lady wrote:
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WHY were they POSTED
This is far too complicated for you, American er hmm Pravda Lady. Stick to Our father. He wants you to keep it simple.
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#126180 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
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Let's see, Owl Gore failed out of law school, dropped out of divinity school and final got a bachelor's degree in journalism. And John Kerry would have flunked out of Yale in his Freshman year except for he got an "A" in French. And like Owl, he only has a bachelor's degree.
Now G.W. attended both Yale and Harvard and obtained a MASTERS degree. M.B.A.!!!
And yes, we do know what grades G.W. got in Yale but what grades did Obama get?(Twilight Zone music play by crickets)
He was president of the Harvard Law Review. And it's on record and official.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#126181 Nov 12, 2012
Media fight on the right over GOP

On the night of Nov. 6, shortly after President Barack Obama won reelection, Steve Schmidt went on NBC News and called on GOP leaders to “stand up” against the extreme elements in the party that the Republican strategist believes are leading it down the wrong path, even singling out Limbaugh by name. Days later on MSNBC, Joe Scarborough criticized Republicans for taking cues from unnamed pundits “who make tens of millions of dollars engaging in niche marketing” that the host complained provides a misleading picture of the nation’s electorate. Columnist David Frum last week slammed the “conservative entertainment complex” that had “fleeced, exploited and lied to” Republicans, ensuing doom on Election Day.

“These people have made politics a theater for identity politics for a segment of America, rather than a way to solve collective problems,” Frum told POLITICO, referring to conservative media commentators.“What is happening now, and it’s disturbing, is that this complex has sold the idea that conservatives are the real majority in America. That claim has been exposed as false. But they are turning on the country and leading their viewers toward alienation and rejection.”

These were the opening salvos in a larger and escalating civil war playing out now between moderate and far-right-wing pundits. After a disastrous performance in the 2012 elections, the Republican party has come face-to-face with the new demographic reality:“The white establishment is now the minority,” as Fox News host Bill O’Reilly said on election night. Republican support among old, white men can no longer offset their lack of support among women, the young, African-Americans, Asians and the fast-growing Hispanic populations — all key groups in Obama’s victory, some observers say.

But which path to take for the GOP toward broader appeal — doubling down on a core economic and family values conservative message that transcends identity politics or polishing the party’s image by recruiting more women and minority candidates and adopting more moderate positions, particularly on immigration reform — has exposed a sharp rift in the conservative media.

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Since: Apr 12

The city that I reside

#126182 Nov 12, 2012
GBPfan wrote:
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Is that William Penn's way of claiming that God isn't a tyrant? Hmmmm. Didn't you recently post something about God making people bow before him? Sounds like a tyrant to me.
such a secular putz.
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#126183 Nov 12, 2012
The Truth wrote:
A Children’s Treasury of Random Wingnut Post-Election Butthurt (Part Douche)
As we have already pretty much established, America is Over Now, so all that’s left is just sitting around and waiting for the last few remaining embers of Freedom to burn out. If we’re really lucky, the Ancient Mayans or Space Jebus will just smash the Earth and be done with it. So let us see what further Elevated Whining there is to review.
To start with, there’s Orson Scott Card, the Mormon propagandist / anti-ghey crusader / science fiction writer who wrote one pretty good novel (OK, and his early stories were often quite nice, too) but has of late declined into a sad, right-wing parody of himself. He has discovered the truly perfidious villains responsible for the reelection of Barack Hussein Obama. You will be astonished to know that it’s all the fault of the Liberal Media!
To you newspeople at CBS, CNN, ABC, NBC. To you journalists at the New York Times, the Washington Post, at newspapers all over America.
You did it. You won. You were able to get Barack Obama his second term.
You knew that if you told the American people the truth, they would not have reelected this man.
Americans don’t vote to reelect a commander-in-chief who abandons our soldiers and agents and ambassadors when they’re under enemy fire.
But you, confident that you are much wiser than the American people, you decided we had no reason to think about this during the election.
Card then goes on to identify the precise bit of information that would have turned the whole election around:
You knew that Obama lied to cover up this culpable negligence, and then lied about lying. You had the video, CBS, which you could have aired immediately after the second debate, exposing him for the liar that he is.
Instead you held it back until two days before the election, when other stories predominated.
If you have no idea what CBS video Card is talking about (and does he provide a link or an explanation? Of course not!), welcome to the club. It turns out that it’s this thing, which further tweaks the total number of pin-head-dancing angels regarding Obama’s remarks the day after the Benghazi attack. See, we were thinking that maybe it was video of Barry saying,“Yeah, I withheld an AC-130 attack and a Delta Force rescue mission just so I could watch Ambassador Stevens die…in hi-def.” But we suppose that it is indeed possible that maybe the horrific lie that is Barack Obama might have completely unraveled if we’d had this one bit of tape to help us parse whether he meant “terrorist attack” when he said “act of terror.”
Also, Card thinks that Obama’s withholding of some of the documents in the “Fast And Furious” investigation is worthy of impeachment, and that Obama’s handling of Hurricane Sandy is objectively far more incompetent than George Bush’s handling of Katrina, and that there’s only one place we learn about these important truths:
You have to attack Fox News and sneer at them and accuse them of bias, don’t you — because they’re actually doing the job you merely pretend to do. They shame you by their genuinely balanced coverage, so you have to lie and accuse them of being what you are: ideological hacks, providing propaganda in order to advance a cause, while hiding the unhelpful truth
We should note that in Card’s nearly unreadable novel Empire, the good guy actually enlists the help of Bill O’Reilly to warn America of her mortal peril in the face of a liberal conspiracy to overthrow the government with an army of giant robots (the conspiracy is funded by a character who’s clearly a stand-in for George Soros). Yes, that is a completely accurate description of this novel, which was written as a tie-in to a video game.
Are those people deranged or what? Tell birthers anything that smells hate and they pounce on it.
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#126186 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
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Frigid to you maybe, but not me. It takes me twice as long to get into a Conservative lady's pants but once there, they know how to give. And in reality, that is what sexual intimacy is really about. And you kind of get an idea the next morning when she has that Mona Liza grin on her face!
Way too much information.

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#126187 Nov 12, 2012
I just got a political cartoon sent to me by a friend and it has two Mayans standing in front of a large circular stone and one says to the other, "Why does it end in 2012" and the other replies, "Because Obama got reelected"!!!
Damn, I wish I had a link to it so I could post it.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#126188 Nov 12, 2012
I never once spoke favourably of Mitt Romney.
He was a very poor choice right from the get-go.
NO more American Lady

Danville, KY

#126189 Nov 12, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Yes, American er hmm PATRIOT Lady, who is beseeching everyone to sign a petition asking for 20 states to secede and break up the country. Funny and strange patriot. Pravda and Putin surely put her up to this. The US bought Alaska,(Seward's folly) why not the Russians getting even and buying those 20 states,(Putin's folly). Putin's smart, I'm sure he'd insist on a money-back guarantee.
Will Texas secede? Petition reaches 25,000 signatures, triggering White House review

With more than 28,600 signatures collected since Nov. 9, a White House website petition from an Arlington, Texas man has attracted enough support to trigger an automatic review by the Obama administration.

Petitions submitted through the Obama White House’s “We the People” program “require a response” from the administration after they have attracted 25,000 signatures.

The Daily Caller reported Monday morning that since the day after President Barack Obama’s re-election, citizens from 20 states had submitted petitions asking for peaceful separations from the United States.(RELATED: White House website deluged with secession petitions from 20 states)

By Monday afternoon that number had grown to 25. <<<---<<

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Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#126190 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
American Lady wrote:
Monday, November 12, 2012
Teacher allegedly tells class Obama's re-election is 'America’s funeral'
Parents outraged as Louisiana teacher also tells 4th graders since Michelle Obama in charge of meals, kids will look like toothpicks in few months.
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The TRUTH!!!!!
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I agree with you. Teachers need to stay out of politics. But do you feel the same way when there is a Republican in the White House? My feelings on this subject do not change, teachers need to be apolitical but Libtards usually can't
Now, just as in voting fraud, 90% of this stuff is done by ..... Liberals!
You should know me better than that, Rogue. If, when Bush was president, and I ran a school, and a teacher of mine badmouthed Bush to grammar or high school studends, I'd have his/her ass, fire her/him on the spot.

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#126191 Nov 12, 2012
Oh, I sort of found it. It is the third cartoon on this link however on the one I received the second guys bubble had been rewritten.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#126192 Nov 12, 2012
We Just Had A Class War .. And One Side Won

When President Obama took the stage at McCormick Place in Chicago well after midnight, we were all too wiped out with joy or depression or Nate Silver auto-refresh fatigue to pay careful attention to the speech the newly reelected president delivered. The phrase that lingered in most of our sleepy ears was the reprise of his career-launching invocation of the United States as being more than red and blue states. So soaring, so unifying. But those words were merely the trappings of magnanimity draped over an argument that was, at its core, harsher than the one he had regularly delivered during the campaign.

The telling phrase came when Obama turned away from the thank-yous and patriotic hymnals into the guts of his remarks.“Despite all our differences,” he transitioned,“most of us share certain hopes for America’s future.” The key term here is “most,” as opposed to “all”—“most” meaning less than 100 percent and possibly as little as 51 percent. He attributed to most Americans a desire for great schools, a desire to limit debt and inequality:“a generous America, a compassionate

Obama then proceeded to define the American idea in a way that excludes the makers-versus-takers conception of individual responsibility propounded by Paul Ryan and the tea party. Since Obama took office, angry men in Colonial garb or on Fox News have harped on “American exceptionalism,” which boils our national virtue down to the freedom from having to subsidize some other sap’s health insurance. Obama turned this on its head.“What makes America exceptional,” he announced,“are the bonds that hold together the most diverse nation on Earth. The belief that our destiny is shared; that this country only works when we accept certain obligations to one another and to future generations.” Obama invoked average Americans living out this ethos of mutual responsibility (such as a “family business whose owners would rather cut their own pay than lay off their neighbors,” the example of which stands at odds with the corporate ethos of a certain ­Boston-based private-equity executive). And even the line about red states and blue states began with the following statement:“We are greater than the sum of our individual ambitions.”

Presumably more was at work here than mere uplift. The president was establishing the meaning of his victory. Even in the days leading up to Tuesday, clouds of dismissal had already begun to hover overhead. The election was “small,” in the words of one story in the conventional-wisdom-generating machine Politico, and “too narrow and too rooted in the Democratic base to grant him anything close to a mandate,” in the words of another.“I don’t think the Obama victory is a policy victory,” sniffed Romney adviser Kevin Hassett.“In the end what mattered was that it was about Bain and frightening people that Romney is an evil capitalist.”

Like every president, Obama won for myriad reasons, important and petty. But his reelection was hardly small and hardly devoid of ideas. Indeed, it was entirely about a single idea. The campaign, from beginning to end, was an extended argument about economic class.
NO more American Lady

Danville, KY

#126193 Nov 12, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Yes, American er hmm PATRIOT Lady, who is beseeching everyone to sign a petition asking for 20 states to secede and break up the country. Funny and strange patriot. Pravda and Putin surely put her up to this. The US bought Alaska,(Seward's folly) why not the Russians getting even and buying those 20 states,(Putin's folly). Putin's smart, I'm sure he'd insist on a money-back guarantee.
MAAAAAAAnnnnnnnnnnnn I must be ALL powerFUL then!!!!!!!!!! huh??????

WHY aren't I president then?
IF I can bring that many people together!
Jacques Ottawa

Oshawa, Canada

#126195 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
Now I have asked this question over and over again and not one Libtards has had the gonads to take the question on.
I understand workman's comp but I do not understand why any business should have to contribute to any employees health care much less his spouse and children.
Let's say I go out hunting, fall out of a tree and break my leg. What does the people I work for have to do with it?
Come on now, any of you have half a brain?
Queston is irrelevant. The US should simply follow the lead of all other 33 OECD countries and have universal health care, no premiums by employers OR employees, and funded from the public purse. And lower those doctors' rates and surgery by at least 50% immediately. Highway robbery.

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