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Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#125976 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
Incest Mom wrote:
Throughout the 1600s, as the Puritans and the Pilgrims fled the religious persecution of England to
>>> cross the Atlantic and start a new free nation <<<<<<<in America,
they took with them their precious Geneva Bible,
and rejected the Kings Bible. America was founded upon the Geneva Bible
not the King James Bible.
http://king-james-version-bible.com/history.h ...
<quoted text>
And they banned lawyers too. How evil!
Now Thomas, we already know you like businessmen over lawyers.

Gee, wasn't GW Bush a businessman? Yep, he failed both times....until Daddy "Wimp" Bush got his Saudi friends to invest in the Dufus' businesses.

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#125977 Nov 12, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
Is it a cyclone, is it a tornado. Well, Rogue, the state of New York, from findings and conclusions of meteorologists, has branded the last storm to hit the east coast as a cyclone. This means that insurers will have to pay a bit more. As I said this morning, and with insurance companies, their reaction to any claim is always the same old refrain "We don't pay, sue us" or , in this case, "we dispute the findings of professinal meteorologists and the state of NY and will appeal to the courts." Dirty sob's. This will take years and require millions in legal fees from claimees. The insurance companies don't care, they already have a bevy of lawyers on their payrolls doing just that, litigation. And they suuuuure know how to slow the process to slug pace lol.
You immediately jumped up, Rogue, and backed the insurance companies. You faulted Obama for defending the middle class home owners. All he did was accept NY state conclusion that it was a cyclone and stood up for the small guy. Was that not the thing to do as president of the people first and of companies second, specially when experts agree it was a cyclone? How do you reconcile that stance?
Several points, YOU can change insurance companies. Number two, you can sue anyone who violates any contract. Next, if the insurance companies start to lose money, they increase their rates.
I used the example of a deductible per incident and in 2004 many people got hit by TWO hurricanes and had two deductibles, one per storm. The people complained and they changed the law to ONE deductible per year and guess what happened? The insurance companies raised their rates. When the state of Florida tried to stop them, the insurance companies refused to issue new policies.
Again, to you the word "profit" is evil. Well, when you go out to sell something, don't you sell to the person who offers you the most amount of money?

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#125978 Nov 12, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
Now Thomas, we already know you like businessmen over lawyers.
Gee, wasn't GW Bush a businessman? Yep, he failed both times....until Daddy "Wimp" Bush got his Saudi friends to invest in the Dufus' businesses.
And you have never been able to explain why he failed. Cause and Effect? Oh, G.W. gave a speech this past week in the Cayman Islands. They offered me a seat for ....$4,000!

'Blackout' imposed as George W. Bush speaks at Cayman Islands investment conference
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/02...
American Lady

Danville, KY

#125979 Nov 12, 2012
The Geneva Bible was the Bible of the Protestant Reformation, and the Bible of the Puritans and Pilgrims. It was the first Bible taken to America, brought over on the Mayflower. The Geneva Bible is the Bible upon which America was founded. You can imagine, most early American colonists, who were fleeing the religious oppression of the Anglican Church (Church of England), wanted nothing to do with the King James Bible of the Anglican Church!

http://www.greatsite.com/facsimile-reproducti...
American Lady

Danville, KY

#125980 Nov 12, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Laws and Rules Aren't God's Way
Laws and Rules Aren't God's Way
As we can see from all the above; although God was responsible for the first law (not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and bad), the making of laws aren't His way. In fact, that's why Jesus so strongly condemned the Pharisees; because in their quest for self righteousness, they looked at the principles of what God considered to be good and bad, and turned these principles into laws for 'righteous' people to follow.
However, as any person's good sense and conscience would tell them, there are in fact things that people who love God just shouldn't do. Paul outlined them at 1 Corinthians 6:9,10,'Don't make any mistakes about this: Sexually immoral people, idol worshipers, adulterers, gays, men who have sex with men, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, insulters, and extortionists, won't inherit God's Kingdom.'
Peter, James, and John added to these instructions when laying out the guidelines for Gentile converts to Christianity at Acts 21:25, where we read,'As for the gentile believers, we've already sent them our decision to stay free from things that are sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality.'
Note that this mention of blood and strangulation (where the blood isn't poured out) reminds us that God's instructions to Noah were still viewed as important by early Christians as were the other instructions against immorality and worship of idols.

http://www.2001translation.com/Laws.html
American Lady

Danville, KY

#125981 Nov 12, 2012
The Period of the Judges
Probably no period in time better illustrates God's purposes and ways than the period of the judges in Israel. For, although the people had God's Law, there was no government, as we know it, or civil administration in the land. All they had was judges who were appointed by God to decide legal matters, and to take the lead in war, when necessary. There were no politicians to make laws and no policemen to enforce them; the people were just trusted to know right from wrong. It was the Israelites who demanded a human king, along with all its taxes, legislators, local laws, and the foibles of human rule.

http://www.2001translation.com/Laws.html

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#125982 Nov 12, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
Now Thomas, we already know you like businessmen over lawyers.
Gee, wasn't GW Bush a businessman? Yep, he failed both times....until Daddy "Wimp" Bush got his Saudi friends to invest in the Dufus' businesses.
We all know that the evil banks committed fraud by reselling those mortgage notes and now Timothy Geithner is buying $40B a month of those mortgage notes from those evil banks under QE3?!?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#125983 Nov 12, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Were the Old Laws Harsh?
Whenever people wish to degrade the Bible, they point to the old laws and their penalties, claiming them to be the product of a harsh and unloving God. Yet, if you understand the purpose of these laws, you'll see that they weren't really harsh or oppressive, because nobody was really required to follow them, other than those who freely chose to live in the land of Israel.
However, in the case of serious sins, there may still be a heavy price to pay. For example, when King David took another man's wife (BathSheba) and had him killed; although God did forgive David, the first son that was born through this union died, and he was plagued with trouble and rebellions throughout the rest of his life. So, we can expects to reap the rewards of our own bad actions. And the more we can personally do to set matters right, the better it will be for us in the long run.
http://www.2001translation.com/Laws.html
Your first paragraph. What? Nobody was requited to follow those laws? Are you sane? Who decided that? Do you know what happened to the poor unfortunate ones who did not follow said laws? Do I have to spell it out for you?

Your second paragraph. David. David was a killer. A harsh and unrepentent killer. He knocked Goliath out with a stone. Then, as Goliath lay inert, killed him and decapitated him. That, to you is the act of a man of God? Are you putting us on? This is what you do after you knock down your enemy? What would infinite merciful god think of that? And he had more than one wife, David, thereby breaking god's law, as having more than one wife was adultery. By god's law, he should have been stoned to death. But you don't stone David now do you? That idiotic exemption made future kings base their legitimacy on David's "could do no wrong credo", and is why royal mistresses were allowed by the church and illegitimate children were legitimized, as the king was annointed by god, like David. All of this is sordid. Yes, David the adulterer and murderer . God, you say, punished his son by death because he had his general killed? He punished the son, just like he punished Eve and all women to the end of times because she took a bite of the apple? All women to give birth in pain because of a bite of an apple? Are you daft? David's kingdom had huge problems because he, David, murdered his general? You mean god made his son pay the ultimate price for his murdering his favourite general and thence rained misery upon his people for years? Then followed his son Solomon, he of the 500 wives and 300 concubines. Yeah, stick to that kind of crap, American er hmm Lady. It can only be accepted and justified by unwashed uneducated people.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#125984 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
<quoted text>
Several points, YOU can change insurance companies. Number two, you can sue anyone who violates any contract. Next, if the insurance companies start to lose money, they increase their rates.
I used the example of a deductible per incident and in 2004 many people got hit by TWO hurricanes and had two deductibles, one per storm. The people complained and they changed the law to ONE deductible per year and guess what happened? The insurance companies raised their rates. When the state of Florida tried to stop them, the insurance companies refused to issue new policies.
Again, to you the word "profit" is evil. Well, when you go out to sell something, don't you sell to the person who offers you the most amount of money?
What? The NY people can now change insurance companies? Now? Why'd you write that? Why are you not backing Obama, do you hate him that much that you want to punish the middle class just to spite him? He's right and you know it. Why are you protecting these Judases?

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#125985 Nov 12, 2012
Ya know, the airlines love military pilots. Especially transport pilots who fly C17's and that means the airlines will have to offer pilots more money which will mean more military pilots will get out of the military to get those higher paying airline jobs.
Oh, and that also means airline tickets will go up too!!!
Oh Johannes, that is called "Cause and Effect"!

Airlines Face Acute Shortage of Pilots
By SUSAN CAREY, JACK NICAS and ANDY PASZTOR

U.S. airlines are facing what threatens to be their most serious pilot shortage since the 1960s, with higher experience requirements for new hires about to take hold just as the industry braces for a wave of retirements.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#125986 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
<quoted text>
And you have never been able to explain why he failed. Cause and Effect? Oh, G.W. gave a speech this past week in the Cayman Islands. They offered me a seat for ....$4,000!
'Blackout' imposed as George W. Bush speaks at Cayman Islands investment conference
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/02...
Why won't he give speeches in Europe, Rogue?

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#125987 Nov 12, 2012
It is funny that anytime the government makes more regulations, the cost of doing business goes up! Cause and Effect. You increase the cost of business and the businesses increase the cost of their products or services!!! And the average goes loses more of his money!
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#125988 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
<quoted text>
We all know that the evil banks committed fraud by reselling those mortgage notes and now Timothy Geithner is buying $40B a month of those mortgage notes from those evil banks under QE3?!?
SOMEbody committed fraud. Oh, I got it. Not the banks. Not the brokers. Not the mortgage lenders. Nooooo. The borrowers, damn them, THEY committed fraud. Hang'em.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#125989 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
<quoted text>
And you have never been able to explain why he failed. Cause and Effect? Oh, G.W. gave a speech this past week in the Cayman Islands. They offered me a seat for ....$4,000!
'Blackout' imposed as George W. Bush speaks at Cayman Islands investment conference
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/02...
You've never been able to explain why he was qualified to be our president.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#125990 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
<quoted text>
We all know that the evil banks committed fraud by reselling those mortgage notes and now Timothy Geithner is buying $40B a month of those mortgage notes from those evil banks under QE3?!?
Being a Bush supporter, you should know all about fraud and Neil Bush.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#125991 Nov 12, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
"crazy cavemen", the repub political strategist speaking of Limbaugh and Trump. Ha ha. And on westernjournalism.com yet. Good work, poppo. Now brace yourself for the profanity.
Oh it doesnt stop there. Some honest Republicans actually know why Mitt lost.

David Frum says GOP Has "Been Fleeced, Exploited, and Lied To By A Conservative Entertainment Complex"
http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/11/09/davi...

Of course the ignorant birfoon believes every word spoken and written by the right wing lie machine which is why Elder Mittens of Romney thought he could fly into Ohio and tell them Obama was moving their Jeep jobs to china and expect to walk away with a win.

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#125992 Nov 12, 2012
Oh wow, the DJIA settle up 0.01% again today. You add that to the 0.01% it went up last Friday, well, we should be back up to 13,610 by the year 2220!
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#125993 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
Ya know, the airlines love military pilots. Especially transport pilots who fly C17's and that means the airlines will have to offer pilots more money which will mean more military pilots will get out of the military to get those higher paying airline jobs.
Oh, and that also means airline tickets will go up too!!!
Oh Johannes, that is called "Cause and Effect"!
Airlines Face Acute Shortage of Pilots
By SUSAN CAREY, JACK NICAS and ANDY PASZTOR
U.S. airlines are facing what threatens to be their most serious pilot shortage since the 1960s, with higher experience requirements for new hires about to take hold just as the industry braces for a wave of retirements.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...
I know all about that.

Bro-in-law, Bob flew 141's and then for Continental until he retired.

I don't fly.

...and the airlines only want military with transport/cargo experience....no 'hot-shot' fighter pilots need apply.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#125994 Nov 12, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
It is funny that anytime the government makes more regulations, the cost of doing business goes up! Cause and Effect. You increase the cost of business and the businesses increase the cost of their products or services!!! And the average goes loses more of his money!
You might think it's funny, but most people wouldn't.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#125995 Nov 12, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Your first paragraph. What? Nobody was requited to follow those laws? Are you sane? Who decided that? Do you know what happened to the poor unfortunate ones who did not follow said laws? Do I have to spell it out for you?
Your second paragraph. David. David was a killer. A harsh and unrepentent killer. He knocked Goliath out with a stone. Then, as Goliath lay inert, killed him and decapitated him. That, to you is the act of a man of God? Are you putting us on? This is what you do after you knock down your enemy? What would infinite merciful god think of that? And he had more than one wife, David, thereby breaking god's law, as having more than one wife was adultery. By god's law, he should have been stoned to death. But you don't stone David now do you? That idiotic exemption made future kings base their legitimacy on David's "could do no wrong credo", and is why royal mistresses were allowed by the church and illegitimate children were legitimized, as the king was annointed by god, like David. All of this is sordid. Yes, David the adulterer and murderer . God, you say, punished his son by death because he had his general killed? He punished the son, just like he punished Eve and all women to the end of times because she took a bite of the apple? All women to give birth in pain because of a bite of an apple? Are you daft? David's kingdom had huge problems because he, David, murdered his general? You mean god made his son pay the ultimate price for his murdering his favourite general and thence rained misery upon his people for years? Then followed his son Solomon, he of the 500 wives and 300 concubines. Yeah, stick to that kind of crap, American er hmm Lady. It can only be accepted and justified by unwashed uneducated people.
Are God's Laws the Final Word?
So, are God's laws the final word on the matter? No, for many stories in the Bible show us how righteousness and good sense outweigh even God's rules and laws. Take for example, God's instructions to the Israelites to destroy all the people in the Promised Land. Yet, when the spies entered Jericho, they vowed to spare the lives of a prostitute named RaHab and her entire family, because of her trust in God's power.
Then later on, the Israelites unwitting made a peace agreement with the people of the city of Gibeon, because they were fooled into doing it. Yet, the Israelites honored that agreement and let those people live, because they had sworn to do so and this breaking of His Law was blessed by God.
As you can see, Laws never come before righteousness.

Rather, righteousness is the purpose and basis of God's laws.

http://www.2001translation.com/Laws.html

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