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Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#125595 Nov 11, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
Oh I know, Strom Thurmond!!! Yep, he was a racist up and until the day he died because he became a Republican in 1964.
But Robert KKK Byrd reformed and was no longer a racist because he said so. You can trust the word of a Democrat but not a Republican!
Yes, Thomas, it's a much better bet to trust a dem than a repub. Now those dems don't always come thru, but still, they are the better bet.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#125596 Nov 11, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
Again Johannes thinks that if you are a Religious or Social Moderate, you are a Conservative!!!
Really, I don't recall saying such.

Thomas, are you fabricating yet again?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#125597 Nov 11, 2012
"Work/Family Balance
Obama and Biden will help working families by doubling funding for after-school programs, expanding the Family Medical Leave Act. They will provide low-income families with a refundable tax credit to help with their child-care expenses, and encourage flexible work schedules. Read more. "
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sage won wrote:
A refundable tax credit? They don't pay any taxes!
Obviously, the poster is so ignorant of Title 26 that s/he doesn't know a "refundable tax credit" is not predicated on paying federal income taxes. In fact, Prof. Friedman proposed this back in the 1960s as an alternative to welfare.
The poster probably never went to college and, therefore, knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about conservative economic strategies.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#125598 Nov 11, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh well, just tell that to all those black people you re-enslaved and put in ghettos.
I did no such thing. Why are you saying such? At least they can vote in the ghettos, unlike in the red state south.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#125599 Nov 11, 2012
sage won wrote:
If the economy improves, it will be in spite of Obama, not because of him.
It already has --$40 TRILLION wealth creation as The Market soared 121% during the past 3-2/3 years. The voters proved this election was about the Economy, stupid.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#125600 Nov 11, 2012
The Bible has nothing to do with politics.

Thankfully!

You want some bible verses? Here's so e that are as lonney as you birther nuts:

2 Kings 2:23-24 NKJV
Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him,“Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

Comments: George Costanza envokes the wrath of God.

Mark 14:51-52 NASB
A young man was following Him, wearing nothing but a linen sheet over his naked body; and they seized him. But he pulled free of the linen sheet and escaped naked.

Comments: Possibly the first streaker in history.

Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

Comments: We can’t just be letting anyone in. We have to draw the line somewhere.

Genesis 38:8-10 NASB
Then Judah said to Onan,“Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.

Comments: Not only do you have to carry the body out, but you have to mop the floor too.

1 Samuel 18:25-27 ESV
Then Saul said,“Thus shall you say to David,‘The king desires no bride-price except a hundred foreskins of the Philistines, that he may be avenged of the king’s enemies.’” Now Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines. And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king’s son-in-law. Before the time had expired, David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines. And David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king’s son-in-law. And Saul gave him his daughter Michal for a wife.

Comments: How do you present a gift like that? Do you tie a bow on the box?

Exodus 4:24-25 NASB
Now it came about at the lodging place on the way that the LORD met him and sought to put him to death. Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son’s foreskin and threw it at Moses’ feet, and she said,“You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me.”

Comments: I imagine the son was screaming in pain and Moses just kinda stared at it in disgust.

Ezekiel 16:17 NIV
You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.
Comments: What did she do with her gold and silver idols?

Ezekiel 23:19-20 NET
Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions.

Comments: Can’t wait to hear this taught from a pulpit.

Judges 3:19-25 ESV
And Ehud reached with his left hand, took the sword from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not pull the sword out of his belly; and the dung came out.

Comments: Apparently the sword pierced all the way through and something unexpected came out the other side. The author felt this was a necessary detail to include.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 NASB
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#125601 Nov 11, 2012
2 Kings 2:23-24 NKJV
Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him,“Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

Comments: George Costanza envokes the wrath of God.

Mark 14:51-52 NASB
A young man was following Him, wearing nothing but a linen sheet over his naked body; and they seized him. But he pulled free of the linen sheet and escaped naked.

Comments: Possibly the first streaker in history.

Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

Comments: We can’t just be letting anyone in. We have to draw the line somewhere.

Genesis 38:8-10 NASB
Then Judah said to Onan,“Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.

Comments: Not only do you have to carry the body out, but you have to mop the floor too.

1 Samuel 18:25-27 ESV
Then Saul said,“Thus shall you say to David,‘The king desires no bride-price except a hundred foreskins of the Philistines, that he may be avenged of the king’s enemies.’” Now Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines. And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king’s son-in-law. Before the time had expired, David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines. And David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king’s son-in-law. And Saul gave him his daughter Michal for a wife.

Comments: How do you present a gift like that? Do you tie a bow on the box?

Exodus 4:24-25 NASB
Now it came about at the lodging place on the way that the LORD met him and sought to put him to death. Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son’s foreskin and threw it at Moses’ feet, and she said,“You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me.”

Comments: I imagine the son was screaming in pain and Moses just kinda stared at it in disgust.

Ezekiel 16:17 NIV
You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.
Comments: What did she do with her gold and silver idols?

Ezekiel 23:19-20 NET
Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions.

Comments: Can’t wait to hear this taught from a pulpit.

Judges 3:19-25 ESV
And Ehud reached with his left hand, took the sword from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not pull the sword out of his belly; and the dung came out.

Comments: Apparently the sword pierced all the way through and something unexpected came out the other side. The author felt this was a necessary detail to include.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 NASB
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

Comments: My question is why would she do this and were there any repeat offenders?
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#125602 Nov 11, 2012
2 Kings 2:23-24 NKJV
Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him,“Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

Comments: George Costanza envokes the wrath of God.

Mark 14:51-52 NASB
A young man was following Him, wearing nothing but a linen sheet over his naked body; and they seized him. But he pulled free of the linen sheet and escaped naked.

Comments: Possibly the first streaker in history.

Deuteronomy 23:1 ESV
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

Comments: We can’t just be letting anyone in. We have to draw the line somewhere.

Genesis 38:8-10 NASB
Then Judah said to Onan,“Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.

Comments: Not only do you have to carry the body out, but you have to mop the floor too.

1 Samuel 18:25-27 ESV
Then Saul said,“Thus shall you say to David,‘The king desires no bride-price except a hundred foreskins of the Philistines, that he may be avenged of the king’s enemies.’” Now Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines. And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king’s son-in-law. Before the time had expired, David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines. And David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king’s son-in-law. And Saul gave him his daughter Michal for a wife.

Comments: How do you present a gift like that? Do you tie a bow on the box?
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#125603 Nov 11, 2012
Exodus 4:24-25 NASB
Now it came about at the lodging place on the way that the LORD met him and sought to put him to death. Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son’s foreskin and threw it at Moses’ feet, and she said,“You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me.”

Comments: I imagine the son was screaming in pain and Moses just kinda stared at it in disgust.

Ezekiel 16:17 NIV
You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.
Comments: What did she do with her gold and silver idols?

Ezekiel 23:19-20 NET
Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions.

Comments: Can’t wait to hear this taught from a pulpit.

Judges 3:19-25 ESV
And Ehud reached with his left hand, took the sword from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not pull the sword out of his belly; and the dung came out.

Comments: Apparently the sword pierced all the way through and something unexpected came out the other side. The author felt this was a necessary detail to include.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 NASB
If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

Comments: My question is why would she do this and were there any repeat offenders?

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#125604 Nov 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
You think Obama cares about the 47%? What happens when the 47% become the 57% and the 43% can not longer afford to take care of the 57%?
<quoted text>
You are wrong. Mitt wants to improve the economy so that those 47% become the 43%. You equate giving people money to caring about them. They why don't you let a homeless person move into your home?
I have no problem caring for people who can no longer care for themselves but caring for drunks and druggies Cousin Pookies is a waste of money.
You know a Cousin Pookie or two, don't you?
Barack Obama Cousin Pookie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =-Al6r8ESjAYXX
Mitt had no jobs plan that he could articulate Rogue. Saying he had a five point plan did not make it so. Obama exposed his five point plan during the debates as a one point plan to cut entitlement programs just to line his pockets with the proceeds. The same model Romney had always used at Bain.

Most of the country got it. Romney’s vulture capitalist mentality precluded him from giving a shit about anyone he deemed a 47 percenter. He said as much on the now infamous 47 percent video. That Romney had no clue nor did he care who these 47 percenters are should have excluded him from any public office let alone POTUS.

“It’s safe to say that most of the 46.4 percent referred to by Romney are in the lower income brackets. According to the most recent Gallup polls of registered voters, 37 percent of those making less than $36,000 a year indicate they plan to vote for Romney. Moreover, as we noted earlier, a sizable chunk of 46.4 percenters are retirees, and among those 65 and older, Romney leads Obama by nine points, 52 percent to 43 percent. According to a Rasmussen Reports poll of likely voters between Sept. 10 and 16, 40 percent of those making less than $20,000 said they plan to vote for Romney; 50 percent of those making between $20,000 and $40,000 said they supported Romney. The Pew Research Center similarly found in its latest poll that 32 percent of those making less than $30,000 and 42 percent of those making between $30,000 and $50,000 support Romney — as do a plurality of seniors”
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/dependency-a...

What a stupid man that Romney!

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#125605 Nov 11, 2012
American Lady wrote:
MEET OBAMA'S BOSS
Soros' Goal: "One World Socialist Government."
What's wrong with that? Jesus of Nazareth preached that ALL THE WORLD would be united in His kingdom. The Roman Catholic Church under its infallible Pope preaches the same.
ARE YOU SOME KIND OF HEATHEN?
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#125606 Nov 11, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure you would rather hear from CNN or MSN, but don't hold your breath on them reporting election fraud concerning Obama's useful idiots.
And why wouldn't they? These are respected middle of the road media outlets that would jump on a story like this if it were true.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#125607 Nov 11, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretending to be rich doesn't fit you at all. Street trash.
The "real world" is where Romney lost in a landslide to Obama, and where the Democrats picked up seats in the Senate and House. Whatever planet you live on isn't in the US.

Your side lost, big time, to the sanity of the DEmocrats.

Comprende? The real world is where we don't discriminate against blacks or Latinos or gays or women, and we take care of those that can't provide for themselves.

Get used to it, because the Republican party is moving over to the center and extremists like you will need to either form your own party or join the fascists, which is about where you belong.

You lost. Get over it.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#125608 Nov 11, 2012
15. Numbers 31:32

These were the spoils which remained of the plunder taken by the fighting men: 675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys, and as for persons, 32,000 young women who had had no intercourse with a man.

14. Genesis 16:8

And he said “Hagar, Sarai’s slave girl, where have you come from and where are you going?” She answered,“I’m running away from Sarai, my mistress.” The angel of the Lord said to her,“Go back to your mistress and submit to ill treatment at her hands.”[Pictured above]

13. Genesis 15:9

The Lord answered,“Bring me a heifer three years old, a she-goat, three years old, a ram three years old, a turtle dove and a young pigeon.”

12. Deut. 25:11

When two men are fighting and the wife of one of them intervenes to drag her husband clear of his opponent, if she puts out her hand and catches hold of the man by his privates, you must cut off her hand and show her no mercy.

11. Genesis 19:8

“Look, I have two daughters, virgins both of them. Let me bring them out to you and you could do what you like with them. But do nothing to these men because they have come under the shelter of my roof.”

10. Deut. 28:53

Then because of the dire straits to which you will be reduced when your enemy besieges you, you will eat your own children, the flesh of your sons and daughters whom the Lord has given you.

9. Judges 3:21

And Ehud reached with his left hand, took the sword from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not pull the sword out of his belly; and the dung came out.[Pictured above]

8. Mark 14:51

A young man was following Him, wearing nothing but a linen sheet over his naked body; and they seized him. But he pulled free of the linen sheet and escaped naked.

7. Genesis 38:9

Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.

6. Ezekiel 16:17

You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.

5. Kings 2:23

Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him,“Go up, you bald head! Go up, you bald head!” So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the Lord. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.[Pictured above]

4. Deut. 23:1

No man whose testicles have been crushed or whose organ has been cut off may become a member of the Assembly of God.

3. Leviticus 24:16

Whoever utters the name of the Lord must be put to death. The whole community must stone him, whether alien or native. If he utters the name, he must be put to death.

2. Exodus 4:24

And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said,“Surely a bloody husband art thou to me”.

1. Ezekiel 23:19

Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals – as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions.
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#125609 Nov 11, 2012
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text>

The real world is where we don't discriminate against blacks or Latinos or gays or women, and we take care of those that can't provide for themselves.
No you don't discriminate you just scare them to death by telling them that they are going to be "put back in chains" and that the women are going to have their birth control pills taken away from them.

As far as gays go half the people who voted for Obama are gay. Does that include you?
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#125610 Nov 11, 2012
Here's the truth about George Soros from that bastion of communism, Forbes magazine:

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George Soros
Net Worth $19 B As of September 2012
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At a Glance

Age: 82
Source of Wealth: hedge funds, self-made
Residence: Katonah, NY
Country of Citizenship: United States
Education: Bachelor of Arts / Science, London School of Economics
Marital Status: Divorced
Children: 5
Forbes Lists

#15 Forbes 400
#22 Forbes Billionaires
#12 in United States
Profile

Legendary investor George Soros retired in 2011 and turned his hedge fund into a family office, returning just under $1 billion in assets to outside investors. Soros also brought in a new investment officer to help oversee the remaining assets belonging to his family and his foundations. His fortune is down due to a reported drop in performance but also because our new estimate subtracts sums we believe he manages for his foundation. Born in Budapest, Soros survived the Nazi occupation of Hungary and went on to study at the London School of Economics before launching storied hedge fund firm Quantum Fund Management in 1969. Outspoken on world economic policies and an unapologetic proponent of European integration, Soros has recently called the design of the euro "very flawed" and described the situation as an "existential crisis" for Europe. Since 1979 Soros has given away $8.5 billion to human rights, education and public health groups; $6 billion has gone to international causes and estimated $400 million to fight poverty

Among his notable recent gifts:$160 million toward improving the lives of Europe's Roma minority and $100 million to overcome barriers faced by African American boys and men. Soros has also committed $150 million to combating corruption and promoting transparency in governments around the world. His efforts have resulted in the creation of organizations such as Revenue Watch, which works to ensure that citizens benefit from their country's natural resources. In August 2012, at his 82nd birthday party at his summer home in Southampton, Soros announced that he and his girlfriend, Tamiko Bolton, are engaged. Bolton is 42 years Soros' junior and will become the financier's third wife. The couple plans to marry in the summer of 2013.

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Now if you want to talk about people who are trying to take over the US with their money, let's start with the Koch Brothers, Adleson, and Karl Rove with his secret donors.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#125611 Nov 11, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
No you don't discriminate you just scare them to death by telling them that they are going to be "put back in chains" and that the women are going to have their birth control pills taken away from them.
As far as gays go half the people who voted for Obama are gay. Does that include you?
Is there something wrong with being gay? It really isn't any of your business.

You pulled your figures out of your ass. About 5 percent of Americans are gay, and like blacks, Latinos and other minorities they sure as hell aren't going to vote for Republicans.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#125612 Nov 11, 2012
Where's the New Covenant?
During my interview with the Christian Police Officer, Dave Tatsak, on Episode 14 of Dogma Debate, he repeatedly referenced the 'New Covenant' when I brought up one of the chilling reminders of Old Testament beatings, stonings, or animal and human sacrifices.

I've heard this argument several times, and it basically goes like this: "Since Jesus came and died for us, we no longer have to go through that, but we are now under the perfect law of liberty in the New Testament."

So, As Officer Dave said those things, and mentioned "that was the Old Covenant" I let it pass without challenge. My mistake.

A very sharp listener by the name of Andrea caught it, and wrote me this morning and said "Where in the Bible does it talk about the New Covenant?"

I am familiar with the mention of the "law of liberty" in James 2:12, but couldn't really send her there for an answer, because it is only a mention of the term, not a definition of terms for this mysterious "New Covenant" that Christians often quote.

It made me realize, I never asked that question, and I didn't know the answer. So this question is for Officer Dave Tatsak, and any other New Testament Christian Apologist:

Where in the New Testament does it say that we are to no longer follow the Old Testament, no longer stone misbehaving children, and no longer kill gays? Moreover, the Old Testament is very specific for laws concerning behavior, worship, sacrifice, and even foods that we can and can't eat on certain days.

So, if we are under a New Covenant, what are the terms and conditions of this new contract we are supposed to live by, how do we know which parts of the Old Testament are still valid, vs.which ones to ignore, and where can we find the scriptures that prove it?
Grand Birther

Brooklyn, NY

#125613 Nov 11, 2012
I can picture Allen West bubmling around his house accusing the walls of Islamofacism now that he's been handed his arse and walking papers.

It's kinda sad and funny at the same time.

A lot like watching the birfers on this thread.

“life under BO”

Since: Sep 12

buena vista

#125614 Nov 11, 2012
Truth Flinger wrote:
The election is over. Accept it and move. Step in line and support our President. To hope he fails is to hope the country fails. Do what is right and what made this country great.
United we stand, divided we fall.
Support what? His ridiculous, worthless 12 point plan? Unpaid for and not capable of helping any business succeed? Support his endless end runs around the constitution and the congress?

Support never bringing a budget vote to congress?

Support his drone attacks that kill innocents, women and children?

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