BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#124695 Nov 9, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
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No need to move on.
The place of birth cannot be proven with a fraudulent birth certificate.
Besides, we must keep hope alive, right?
The birth certificate is not fraudulent.

Only birther "experts"---who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama's birth certificate.

The birther "experts" include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend (and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such "experts" as these that the birthers rely on for their case.

There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama's policies, but shows that the birther "experts" are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama's birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.

As for Sheriff Joe and his posse:

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

and

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indict...

It is clear that rational conservatives do not believe the "birth certificate was forged" claims. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review certainly do not.

And the conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm specified facts on Obama's birth certificate. Hawaii did, stating that it compared the image of Obama's birth certificate with the file copy (which is an additional confirmation that there was a file copy BTW) and that Obama was born there and that the facts match.

The secretary of state of Arizona accepted this confirmation and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November, and he was--and he was on the ballot in ALL the states (and he won both the electoral college vote and the popular vote by more than two and a half million votes). This indicates that the conservative secretary of state of Arizona does not believe the claims that the birth certificate is forged (including those of Sheriff Joe) and that he does believe the officials in Hawaii.

How do we know that there is a birth certificate for Obama in the files in Hawaii and that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii??

The first way is the short form birth certificate. That was created by a clerk copying the information off of the original document in the files. If there were no document, there could be no short form birth certificate. Hawaii has confirmed that it sent a short form birth certificate (COLB) to Obama.

The second way is that Hawaii said that there is, several times, under both Republican and Democrat governors.

The third reason is that the current director of health of Hawaii stated in a letter that she had seen the long form birth certificate being created by photocopying onto security paper the original document that was in the files.

The fourth reason is that the existence of Obama's birth certificate in 1961 is proven by the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii. Only the DOH could send those notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers, and the DOH sent only sent those notices for children whom it had issued birth certificates for.

Would you like me to post the citations of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii?
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#124696 Nov 9, 2012
Poppo wrote:
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Yeah I do have a link and dates, but why do you need to see it? You followed Rasmussen religiously and believed wholeheartedly Romney would win big. Now you, Fox and Romney know Rasmussen was full of shit.
I myself followed the Huff Post model which was there every day for all to see right on up to Election Day. They didnít get all the states right by accident Rogue nor were the dealing with gut feelings.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/simon-jackman/p... @pollster
I followed the NY Times blog by Nate Silver. I highly recommend following Nate. Nate got all 50 states right in the presidential race, assuming Florida holds for Obama. AND he only got one state political race wrong! In 2008 Nate got 49 states and D.C. right. There is no better political statistition than Nate Silver.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#124697 Nov 9, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Got any dates for that Rasmussen poll? How about a link?!?
And News Corpse, who did their polling? Again, more opinion than a science.
Poppo wrote:
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Yeah I do have a link and dates, but why do you need to see it? You followed Rasmussen religiously and believed wholeheartedly Romney would win big. Now you, Fox and Romney know Rasmussen was full of shit.
I myself followed the Huff Post model which was there every day for all to see right on up to Election Day. They didnít get all the states right by accident Rogue nor were the dealing with gut feelings.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/simon-jackman/p... @pollster
Hummm, the Huffington Post IS not Rasmussen and is therefore opinion and nothing more.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#124698 Nov 9, 2012
Noway Duh wrote:
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Poopoo platter Oshite hasn't been able to balance budget the entire time he's been on vacation at the WH, SO A CBO is nothing more than a joke and waste of taxpayer money, but that's what all you obots like, wasn't everyone's money! Are a friggin moron? 10 years to pay a jobs bill? Woo hoo! Must be a friggin professor who came up with that one! Hey and let's tax all the millionaires until they all leave the country, then you can concentrate on downgrading the middle class to the poor level, then mother American everyone equal! "Could have" a noticeable impact? Wow, there's a resounding seal of approval from a the , LOL, BO! You are a moron! You deserve what Oshite has in mind for America, and may you be the dirt to get what you think is owed you! Choke on it!
This is your third or fourth consecutive spiteful, hateful and vengeful sore-loser post. May I suggest the following sentence, a sentence that would best resume what you should state, assuming you are as faithful to your constitution as you pretend to be?

"CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR VICTORY, MR. PRESIDENT"

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#124699 Nov 9, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Isn't the losing presidential candidate the son of a Mexican? What about that? But, not unlike his Mexican father who ran for the presidency, no contestation naeded, the point if moot. lol, he LOST. Oh, what about all those planned celebrations in Boston, fireworks etc that had to be taken down, unexploded, ha ha? And, oh, he was slaughtered in his own state, as was hoodlum 24-hour gun purchase Ryan in his home state too. Time to eat your own slop, losers.
His father was a natural born citizen of the United States as both of his parents, Mitt grandparents, were U.S. citizens.
And, if Mitt was not an American Natural Born Citizen, why did no one file a law suit?!?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#124700 Nov 9, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Yes, Obama's second term in office will be an even bigger failure than his first.
We know that is your wish. You don't care about your country, you just want the guy you hate to fail, even if it means ruination for you and the rest of the world. That is a BIG SPITE, and if you'll excuse me, not very patriotic.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#124701 Nov 9, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
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For your brain?
That will never be known.
In regards to Obama, we still don't know and you can't prove what you think you know with a fraudulent birth certificate.
Tacky, nobody cares about what you don't know.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#124702 Nov 9, 2012
Guru wrote:
4 more years for obama?
lol...what makes you think obama will make it through 4 more years? He has so much scandal and corruption, lies, and incompetence attached to him that he will likely resign at some point.
The only thing that happened tonight is that we are right back where we started with him. The gridlock is still there. Nothing has changed. He still is not a citizen of this country. He still has major problems with the economy and the fiscal cliff if he is stubborn will devastate this country. The debt he has created with nothing to show for it is the worst in the world. The inflation/stagflation to come will cripple everyone. obamacare will devastate the country again while reducing healthcare for seniors,...those who need it the most. He still has Israel and Iran to deal with, and likely will screw that up a million times worse than Benghazi. Our economy is toast. Jobs will leave as taxes go up. Interest rates will rise soon and cripple our budget. He can't get a budget passed because he is so stubborn and dumb. Our gas prices have doubled...he can't blame Bush for that...he cut the drilling. He corrupted our media. His 8% unemployment will only go higher soon and send jobs overseas. He has cut our military and they hate him.
Our deficits are over $1 Trillion/year with no end in sight. His QE's had no effect and we still have the debt. As soon as interest rates rise it will cause massive inflation and likely bankrupt the country. His next term as a lame duck will be a wasted 4 more years at best. More than likely he will screw it all up. In four more years if he is still here people will be screaming for him to leave.
I could go on and on, but there is no need. The hollow victory will devastate this country. He is the first president in history to get less votes in his second term than his first. The chance of him getting on Rushmore is a joke.
No, he will still go down in history as a failed president. He won today, but the entire country and world will lose because of him. He divided the country beyond repair. He crippled the country with debt that will devastate this country and will never be repaid.
Nope, tonight will be forgotten in a few days and all of his problems will still be there, with many more new ones to come. Only liberals are dumb enough to fall for obama. They have no clue of how bad he is as a leader. He may think a second term is what he wants, but he will age 20 years in the next 4. Now everyone will expect him to solve problems and work his ass off and we all know he does not do any of that. Nope, nothing has changed at all.
You wanted him. You got him. Many of you will find that getting a particular thing is not always as satisfying as wanting it. Now you have him. If he doesn't turn into an angry demanding dictator it will be amazing. As soon as he starts saying "I am the president" you will know what you have done.
lol!
More of your insane predictions. How about your Tuesday prediction? You not only suggested victory for hapless "lost-his-own-state-in-a- lanslide-Romney", noooo, you forecast doom and gloom for Obama. WRONG, LOSER. Say it, say "I was wrong" and write "CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR RE-ELECTION, MR. PRESIDENT".
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#124703 Nov 9, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Got any dates for that Rasmussen poll? How about a link?!?
And News Corpse, who did their polling? Again, more opinion than a science.
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Hummm, the Huffington Post IS not Rasmussen and is therefore opinion and nothing more.
If any of you Republicans are smart enough to understand or accept statistics you may want to start following Nate Silver's 538 blog. He has accurately predicted all but one state in the last two presidential contests.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#124704 Nov 9, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Yep, DJIA BELOW 13,000 and still headed south! Thank you Libtards!!!
How deliriously happy you must be. DJIA is tankiing, it's bad for the nation, but it's made your day. How incredible.

Did you at least inform yourself as to why the DJIA is down, and down yesterday and no doubt today? It's mainly because of the Republican majority in the lower house that threatens to vote down any legislation or bill Obama sends to congress, and I mean ANY bill, just to spite him until the "cliff" deadline, December 15. This congress is just like you, Rogue, it's partisan to the hilt and does not give a hoot as Gingrich did not when he paralysed the whole country. These guys woved Obama would be a one-term president in November 2008. They lost. But they will do everything they can to trip him up and get even for his audacity and nerve of being re-elected.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#124705 Nov 9, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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His father was a natural born citizen of the United States as both of his parents, Mitt grandparents, were U.S. citizens.
And, if Mitt was not an American Natural Born Citizen, why did no one file a law suit?!?
Because the Democratic party isn't populated by a bunch of ignorant gullible crazy fools! We can rely on policies for our candidate to win. You people are sadly forced to rely on fear and lies.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#124706 Nov 9, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh, I was listening to Neal Bortz and he has a friend in the Tampa area which has a small business which "did have" 53 full time employees and 8 part timers. Well, he gave five of his full timers their pink slips. Oh, all five of them had "Obama" bumper stickers on their cars!!!
And the eight part timers, well, he notified them their hours will be cut back to 25 hours a week. Damn evil business owner!
Well, I guess he could send the jobs to .... China instead!
So you're telling one and all about this Republican business owner4 firing 5 employees because they had Obama bumper stickers. And you boast of this, you think the owner did the right thing?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#124707 Nov 9, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
The President won the Catholic vote, Rogue. What Happened?
The Jewish vote was a landslide for the President as well.
BEWARE THE NEOCONS, A-hyuck!
I don't expect Rogue to pipe in on this one. Wrong again, how does he stand it?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#124708 Nov 9, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
DID THIS DIRTY TRICK GET OBAMA ELECTED?
President didnít win single state that required Voter ID
By Aaron Klein @ WND
Did the suppression or lack of voter ID laws aid President Obamaís victory over Mitt Romney?
Obama did not win a single state that requires photo IDs to vote, although he was victorious in four states that require non-photo identification Ė Washington, Colorado, Ohio and Virginia. Those states accept as legitimate identification current utility bills, bank statements and paychecks.
Obama won several closely contested states that do not require any voter identification, including Minnesota, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Wisconsin and Nevada.
The states that Obama lost that do require photo identification do not traditionally vote Republican. Tennessee, for example, voted Democrat in the 1972, 1992 and 1996 presidential elections. Georgia, which also requires photo ID, voted Democrat in the 1976, 1980 and 1992 presidential elections.
In Colorado, where non-photo identification is accepted, a review by RedState.com showed irregular voting patterns, finding that 10 counties had a total registration ranging between 104 to 140 percent of the respective populations.
Non-issue. The voters had to be registered before going to the polls. Voter impersonation simply doesn't happen. BTW, we don't have a voter ID law in CT but I have been asked for photo ID in every election in the past 20 years.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#124710 Nov 9, 2012
Abdul the Camel Jockey wrote:
Johannes wrote:
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Final poll:
Obama = WON
Rmoney = LOST
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I guess they have not noticed what the stock market has been doing for the past two days. Maybe they will when we go back into another recession early next year.
Conservatives believe that a rising tide lifts all boats where as Libytards think that they can pick and choose which businesses should prosper or fail and that that will improve the economy.
The truth is that anybody that truly understands the market can make money. It's all a matter of buying low and selling high. I hope you were smart enough to do like me. I'm buying after this drop. Thank you Barack Obama!
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#124711 Nov 9, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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A couple of weeks ago I ran into a Greek couple who had just bought a condo near Tampa. Yep, things got so bad in Greece they just checked their money of of their bank and moved here. I wonder were they will go when it gets to expensive for rich people here?!?
They are having the same problem in England. The super rich of France are moving to Merry 'Ole England and bringing their French Francs with them. You see, over taxing the rich only hurts the people who are not rich enough to .... move!!!!
If Greece is so badly off, how come this couple had enough money in the bank to move to Florida, a state that is much more expensive than Greece, buy a home there, again, at least twice as expensive as a house in Greece? And the French moving to England to avoid higher taxes, yet, where taxes are as high and at times higher than France, where the cost of living is definitely higher than France and where no self-respecting Frenchman would ever move to unless under the threat of sure death? Did you know that for every Frenchman who holidays in the UK, 15 Brits holiday in France? That for every Frenchman who buys property in the UK, 15 Brits buy property in France? Did you know...never mind. Some Frenchmen may move to Switzterland and Belgium, yes, but not the UK.

Where'd you get this info anyhow?
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#124712 Nov 9, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Non-issue. The voters had to be registered before going to the polls. Voter impersonation simply doesn't happen. BTW, we don't have a voter ID law in CT but I have been asked for photo ID in every election in the past 20 years.
Same here in Colorado. Everybody in Colorado was asked for their ID and Obama won here! So I guess the only person in America that got stupid was America Got Stupid. Either he's an idiot or he doesn't vote. My guess is he's an idiot AND he didn't vote!
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#124713 Nov 9, 2012
America Got Stupid and moved to Kentucky wrote:
Only in America ...
Correction - in America, like the rest of the free world, if you put forward a very weak candidate who can't seem to decide what he's running for and essentially puts forward a campaign of "I'm not the other guy" you run a real risk of losing the election - especially if your "supporters" and "slate" are running around the country alienating half of the electorate
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#124714 Nov 9, 2012
Fox News Makes You Stupid wrote:
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You are more stupid than I tell people.
lol
Jr. Trump inherited a fortune from Sr. Trump.
Same is true of Jr. Romney inherited a fortune from Sr. Romney.
You must be a Frank Luntz believer.
Svengali Luntz changed Estate Tax to Death Tax so people like you will endorse it.
It only applies to Millionaires and Billionaires.
lol
Trump is a front for money launderers. HAS to be. How could anyone so stupid achieve such financial success? Following his idiotic behaviour in the Obama BC affair, I expect the mob to drop him any day now and appoint one his idiot sons or daughters as the new CEO.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#124715 Nov 9, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Tacky, nobody cares about what you don't know.
Talk about filling several warehouses

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