BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>very simple, Obama was born a citizen of his father's nation.
As you know, our Constitution does not recognize a dual-citizenship status, never has.
Also as you know, the US government can not strip Obama of the citizenship his father passed on to him, unless he request such an action, through naturalization.
Yes our constitution does not recognize dual citizenship status. That means that it ignores the fact that Obama was a dual citizen at birth and accepts only the fact that he was a US citizen at birth due to his place of birth. Oh, and Woodrow Wilson was also a dual citizen at birth, USA/Britain, due to the fact that his mother never relinquished her British citizen status despite becoming a US citizen by marriage.
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Faux News is reporting that a single black man (wearing a jacket and hat with Black Panther logo) has been sighted OPENING THE DOOR for elderly white women entering a Philadelphia polling place!
Rouge Moron whines about how "almost all" of the black man in the video is campaigning too close to the polling place
LoserRepastingSpam is certain he can see a nightstick under the man's coat
So tell us DLMTR, why is this guy there to begin with? What's his reason for just standing around a voting station? Dressed in all black, wearing some stupid looking hat with some kind of medal on it does not make me think he's there to open doors for little old ladies!
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<quoted text>So tell us DLMTR, why is this guy there to begin with? What's his reason for just standing around a voting station? Dressed in all black, wearing some stupid looking hat with some kind of medal on it does not make me think he's there to open doors for little old ladies!
I don't know. Why doesn't the reporter ask him instead of filming him from across the street and ascribing all manner of evil intentions to him?

Why don't you go find him and share your learned opinion on his hat?

By the way - I held the door open for three ladies (in addition to Mrs LTR) at the poll this AM. None seemed overly traumatized by the experience
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Re: "it plainly states only citizens are 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'..."
Here is the first sentence: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
That says that (1) people born in the USA who are (2) subject to the jurisdiction of the USA are (3) citizens of the USA. It does NOT say that only citizens are subject to the jurisdiction.
And the US Supreme Court has ruled that "subject to the jurisdiction" simply means being in the USA with the exception of the few people who are NOT subject to the jurisdiction, meaning foreign diplomats and their families. That is what the Wong Kim Ark case ruled six to two, and it is the law.
who are subject to the jurisdiction, thereof? Only citizens.
Who are we the people opf the US? Only citizens.

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...but what we do know is that the top ten states that comprise the 47% who pay no taxes all come from the red state south.
Soooo, many of them are upset that Obama Care guts Medicare!!! Here in Florida we have many retirees who are middle class or above and they are pissed. Not to mention the Neo Con Jews who are pissed at Obama for him thumbing his nose at Israel!!!
Florida will take it's 29 Electors and give them to Mitt!!!
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Why is this allowed to occur? It is against the LAW!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/ju...
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Lie!
He first said he saw him being born, then as a small child, then to not at all, then when was all said in done he promised to fing this alleged Hawaii BC, then confessed none could be found! Hmm? Then pops not another word from him just like you don't hear from Oblamos grandmother after she insist he was born in Kenya, or his sister who insisted he was born in a different Hawaiian Hospital, everyone who has ever disproved or disagreed with the Oblamo fantasy Hawaiian birth has gone off the gird! Wonder why?
The current governor of Hawaii, Abercrombie, never said that the Hawaii birth certificate could not be found. He was looking for something to show IN ADDITION to the birth certificate, and that he could not find. But he never said that the birth certificate could not be found. In fact, at least three government officials, two Republican one Democrat, stated that they saw Obama's birth certificate in the files in Hawaii, and that the facts on it show that Obama was born in Hawaii.

And there was a fourth official, whose name we do not know, the clerk who filled out the form that generated the short form birth certificate for Obama. That is done by the clerk looking into the files and copying the facts from the document in the files onto the computer form that generates the short form birth certificate. Therefore there had to be a birth certificate in the files for the clerk to copy from, and it had to say that Obama was born in Honolulu, as the short form birth certificate says.

Re Kenya. Obama's Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya. That was a deliberate misquotation by birther sites who simply cut off the tape before she was asked this question: "Whereabouts was he born?" After that question she said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and she said in another interview----with the Hartford Courant newspaper---that the first that her family in Kenya had heard about Obama's birth was IN A LETTER FROM HAWAII.

Obama's sister was misquoted by UPI about the name of the hospital.
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<quoted text>who are subject to the jurisdiction, thereof? Only citizens.
Who are we the people opf the US? Only citizens.
It does not say that only citizens are "subject to the jurisdiction of."
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Re: "Lie!
He first said he saw him being born, then as a small child, then to not at all, then when was all said in done he promised to fing this alleged Hawaii BC, then confessed none could be found! Hmm? Then pops not another word from him just like you don't hear from Oblamos grandmother after she insist he was born in Kenya, or his sister who insisted he was born in a different Hawaiian Hospital, everyone who has ever disproved or disagreed with the Oblamo fantasy Hawaiian birth has gone off the gird! Wonder why? "

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Some things that show that Obama was born in Hawaii:

1. Obama's two official birth certificates, with the state seals on them.(The official physical copy of the long-form birth certificate was handed around in the White House press room, and one reporter said that she had felt the seal and took a photo of the document. http://turningthescale.net &#8203;/?p=541)

2. The confirmation of the facts on the two birth certificates (short form and long form)----that Obama was born in Hawaii---by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii and several Democrats, and by the public Index Data file. The acceptance of the written confirmation of the facts on Obama’s birth certificate by the conservative secretary of state of Arizona.

3. The notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 that were sent to the papers “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii----and only the DOH could send those notices.(Also, the claim that the DOH could have been influenced by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)

4. The absence of a US travel document for Obama in 1961. Nor has there been an application for such a travel document found.

5. The teacher, who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 and writing home about it (about the birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley).

6. Obama's Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

7. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and it was rare for women to travel late in pregnancy in those days. WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father remained in Hawaii throughout 1961, which would have meant that she would have had to have made that long, expensive and risky trip without him---and that is hardly likely at all.

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The Lifer doesn't understand anything....hiring has nothing to do with dems or repubs.
Generally, an A type manager will hire A type people, while a B type manager will hire C type people. C type people usually are not in a position to hire anybody.
As an example of an incompetent manager hiring an equally incompetent person, just look at GW Bush and his hiring of Michael Brown to head FEMA.
And can you tell us what Michael Brown did wrong? Both the governor of LA and the major of N.O. REFUSED his recommendation ..... until just 24 hours before Katrina hit!!!
Just look at all the flooded out school buses in N.O. or the fact that AMTRAK pulled out with it's passenger cars empty!!! N.O. had an evacuation plan but waited two days to long to activate it!!!
What is funny is that you Libtards bash people but can never say what exactly they did wrong! Oh, Brown resigned, not because he failed, but because he was becoming a drag of the Bush administration.

From Wiki: Shortly after his resignation the Associated Press obtained a videotape of Brown briefing Bush, Governor Blanco, Mayor Nagin and others in which he questioned the wisdom of the Mayor's use of the Louisiana Superdome as a "shelter of last resort" and questions the structural integrity of the Superdome during the briefing.
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Re: "it plainly states only citizens are 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof'..."
Here is the first sentence: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
That says that (1) people born in the USA who are (2) subject to the jurisdiction of the USA are (3) citizens of the USA. It does NOT say that only citizens are subject to the jurisdiction.
And the US Supreme Court has ruled that "subject to the jurisdiction" simply means being in the USA with the exception of the few people who are NOT subject to the jurisdiction, meaning foreign diplomats and their families. That is what the Wong Kim Ark case ruled six to two, and it is the law.
Doesn't matter, his grandmother said she witnessed him being born in Kenya, his father is Kenyan and after returning to Hawaii Oblamo gets a Connecticut SS# belonging to someone else. And it is a documented and proven fact that he was registered in Indonesia as an Indonesian citizen. This mans scanned BC documents have so many problems that it is clear by many experts that they are are not real. He can buy off and quite family members and even the gov of Hawaii who eventually admitted he could find no evidence of him having a Hawaii BC, and he can buy off the alphabet media, that still does not make him a lawful American Citizen! The biggest thing is that the hospital he claims he was born at refuses to confirm that fact even though Oblamo has now made that public knowledge! LOL!

After Oblamo loses all you mourners will have a hard time finding a place to erect a monument to his birth place anywhere on US soil!

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From Wiki: Michael Brown criticized President Obama for responding to Hurricane Sandy faster than he responded to the attacks at Benghazi.
In an interview with Denver Westword, Brown said, "One thing [President Obama's] gonna be asked is, why did he jump on [Hurricane Sandy] so quickly and go back to D.C. so quickly when in ... Benghazi, he went to Las Vegas? Why was this so quick?... At some point, somebody's going to ask that question."
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Re: "Lie!
He first said he saw him being born, then as a small child, then to not at all, then when was all said in done he promised to fing this alleged Hawaii BC, then confessed none could be found! Hmm? Then pops not another word from him just like you don't hear from Oblamos grandmother after she insist he was born in Kenya, or his sister who insisted he was born in a different Hawaiian Hospital, everyone who has ever disproved or disagreed with the Oblamo fantasy Hawaiian birth has gone off the gird! Wonder why? "
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Some things that show that Obama was born in Hawaii:
1. Obama's two official birth certificates, with the state seals on them.(The official physical copy of the long-form birth certificate was handed around in the White House press room, and one reporter said that she had felt the seal and took a photo of the document. http://turningthescale.net &#8203;/?p=541)
2. The confirmation of the facts on the two birth certificates (short form and long form)----that Obama was born in Hawaii---by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii and several Democrats, and by the public Index Data file. The acceptance of the written confirmation of the facts on Obama’s birth certificate by the conservative secretary of state of Arizona.
3. The notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 that were sent to the papers “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii----and only the DOH could send those notices.(Also, the claim that the DOH could have been influenced by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)
4. The absence of a US travel document for Obama in 1961. Nor has there been an application for such a travel document found.
5. The teacher, who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 and writing home about it (about the birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley).
6. Obama's Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
7. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and it was rare for women to travel late in pregnancy in those days. WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father remained in Hawaii throughout 1961, which would have meant that she would have had to have made that long, expensive and risky trip without him---and that is hardly likely at all.
That's right sweetie continue the lies! Just like your Anointed one!
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Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
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It is important to note that Obama's document is a fraudulent long form birth certificate, making the short form fraudulent as well.
Obama's long form birth certificate has no State seal of authenticity, and contains a one-of-a-kind error that is not present on any other known Hawaiian birth certificate, and has a date stamp and registrars stamp that can be moved around on the digital document proving that it is not a scan alone.
It is a computer-built fraudulent document that was not created by Hawaii DOH.
Do you possess even one functioning brain-cell?
Only birther "experts"---who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama's birth certificate.

The birther "experts" include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend (and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such "experts" as these that the birthers rely on for their case.

There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama's policies, but shows that the birther "experts" are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama's birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.

As for Sheriff Joe and his posse:

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

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http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indict...

It is clear that rational conservatives do not believe the "birth certificate was forged" claims. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review certainly do not.

And the conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm specified facts on Obama's birth certificate. Hawaii did, stating that it compared the image of Obama's birth certificate with the file copy (which is an additional confirmation that there was a file copy BTW) and that Obama was born there and that the facts match. The secretary of state of Arizona accepted this confirmation and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November. This indicates that he does not believe the claims that the birth certificate is forged (including those of Sheriff Joe) and that he does believe the officials in Hawaii.
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Soooo, many of them are upset that Obama Care guts Medicare!!! Here in Florida we have many retirees who are middle class or above and they are pissed. Not to mention the Neo Con Jews who are pissed at Obama for him thumbing his nose at Israel!!!
Florida will take it's 29 Electors and give them to Mitt!!!
Is that yet another prediction? You know that you have a very, very poor track record with your predictions.
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Yes our constitution does not recognize dual citizenship status. That means that it ignores the fact that Obama was a dual citizen at birth and accepts only the fact that he was a US citizen at birth due to his place of birth. Oh, and Woodrow Wilson was also a dual citizen at birth, USA/Britain, due to the fact that his mother never relinquished her British citizen status despite becoming a US citizen by marriage.
only one way for the US government to remove a citizenship of a foreign nation, "naturalization".
Yep, she did become a citizen through marriage, the citizenship of the father was all that counted.
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And can you tell us what Michael Brown did wrong? Both the governor of LA and the major of N.O. REFUSED his recommendation ..... until just 24 hours before Katrina hit!!!
Just look at all the flooded out school buses in N.O. or the fact that AMTRAK pulled out with it's passenger cars empty!!! N.O. had an evacuation plan but waited two days to long to activate it!!!
What is funny is that you Libtards bash people but can never say what exactly they did wrong! Oh, Brown resigned, not because he failed, but because he was becoming a drag of the Bush administration.
From Wiki: Shortly after his resignation the Associated Press obtained a videotape of Brown briefing Bush, Governor Blanco, Mayor Nagin and others in which he questioned the wisdom of the Mayor's use of the Louisiana Superdome as a "shelter of last resort" and questions the structural integrity of the Superdome during the briefing.
Guess you were unable to dispute my statements.

Brown was ill-prepared to head up such a large organization.
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From Wiki: Michael Brown criticized President Obama for responding to Hurricane Sandy faster than he responded to the attacks at Benghazi.
In an interview with Denver Westword, Brown said, "One thing [President Obama's] gonna be asked is, why did he jump on [Hurricane Sandy] so quickly and go back to D.C. so quickly when in ... Benghazi, he went to Las Vegas? Why was this so quick?... At some point, somebody's going to ask that question."
You should tell Michael Brown that his 15 minutes were up a long time ago. NOBODY cares what he has to say.
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Doesn't matter, his grandmother said she witnessed him being born in Kenya, his father is Kenyan and after returning to Hawaii Oblamo gets a Connecticut SS# belonging to someone else. And it is a documented and proven fact that he was registered in Indonesia as an Indonesian citizen. This mans scanned BC documents have so many problems that it is clear by many experts that they are are not real. He can buy off and quite family members and even the gov of Hawaii who eventually admitted he could find no evidence of him having a Hawaii BC, and he can buy off the alphabet media, that still does not make him a lawful American Citizen! The biggest thing is that the hospital he claims he was born at refuses to confirm that fact even though Oblamo has now made that public knowledge! LOL!
After Oblamo loses all you mourners will have a hard time finding a place to erect a monument to his birth place anywhere on US soil!
No his Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that she witnessed him being born in Kenya.

And Obama is not and never was an Indonesian citizen, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm.

Obama's SS number problem was caused by a data entry error, like millions of other errors in the system.

The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly stated that there is a birth certificate for Obama in their files and that it says that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. That was done by officials of BOTH parties.

Oh, and the officials in Kenya have said that they conducted an investigation of the "born in Kenya" claim and that he certainly was NOT born there. And the idea of Obama's mother and father paying the equivalent of around $10,000 a person in 2012 dollars to fly from Hawaii, where there were great hospitals, to Kenya where there was Yellow Fever and lousy hospitals, and somehow smuggling Obama back to the USA without getting him a travel document, is totally nuts. That is why Ann Coulter, Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly and the National Review have all called birthers CRAZY.

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