BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

[Noway Duh]

Ellen1 wrote:

Regarding the seal:
The seal is not missing. Obama has showed the physical copies with the seal on them (BOTH the short form and the long form, and remember the short form is the official birth certificate), but the raised seal of the long form does not show up on the scanned document.
How do we know that Obama's Hawaii birth certificate exists? We know that Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate in several ways.
The first is the short-form birth certificate. It is generated by a clerk in the Hawaii DOH reading the information in the files and entering it in a computer form. For that to happen there has to be a document in the files. In Obama's case that happened back in 2007 (though it was not published until 2008) when Obama was only a candidate for president---long before he became the leading candidate, much less president. The clerk would have had to have been lying in 2007, and the confirmations by the Republican officials in 2008 would have to be lies as well.
In addition, we know that Obama had a birth certificate in 1961 from the notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH in that year. We know that only the DOH could send those notices in three ways. First because the representative of the newspapers said so, second because the representative of the DOH said so and third because the section of the newspaper was called "Health Bureau Statistic"---which obviously meant that the facts in it came from the Health Bureau, the DOH. In 1961, the DOH was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children born outside of Hawaii, and it only sent birth notices to the papers for children born in Hawaii. Oh, and in the DOH was operating under Republican governor.
So we know that Obama had a Hawaii birth certificate.
Your claim is that although this certificate exists and although the officials in Hawaii stated that they sent both the short form and the long form version of it to him, and despite a reporter having said that she felt the seal on it----that the officials in Hawaii of both parties and the reporter and the birth notices in 1961 and the Index Data are lying because the embossed seal does not show up on a PDF scan.
Well, back up your claim with some evidence. Show a PDF scan of a Hawaii long form birth certificate that shows the raised seal.
Recently the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm other facts on his published birth certificate. Hawaii did, and the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona accepted it as evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November.
Obama's mother lived in Hawaii. Obama's father was studying in Hawaii. There is not a shred of evidence that either of them went from Hawaii to any other country in 1961---and certainly not to Kenya, where the Kenyan government said that it checked on the "born in Kenya" claim and found that it was false.
Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and pregnant women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days, and yet you and other birthers think that there could be a chance that Obama was born outside of the USA and that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about that fact.

Twit! The first document and the second document were both scanned to be placed on the Internet, First time it's missing, after questions to why it's missing it shows up on the second scanning. Hmmm?

Then his third released document of what is suppose to be his "original" BC is also missing the official state seal at the bottom of the document as well as the appropriate signatures as seen on the Nordyke twins BC from the same time, same state, and same hospital. Which also brings up why the number on Oblamos alleged cirtificate is out of sequence to what order he was born to the Nordyke twins. This totally explains why after showing up in Hawaii he now has a Connecticut SS#.

But you know this!

[Johannes]

Looking at it wrote:

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No need to make excuses for Oloser, seems that’s the only skill he has.
Don’t worry we will becoming out of this black hole soon.

No need to display your lack of intelligence or try to divert the topic into something it wasn't.

American will not be out of this economic mess anytime soon.

[Noway Duh]

Oblamo says 4 more years, we all say 3 more days!

[Noway Duh]

Johannes wrote:

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No need to display your lack of intelligence or try to divert the topic into something it wasn't.
American will not be out of this economic mess anytime soon.

"American will not be out of this economic mess anytime soon."

LOL

Which "American" is that, we all know you don't mean Oblamo, he's an Indonesian citizen with a Connecticut SS#!

The mess you speak of with your, oh so "intelligent" loony left, zealot, obot brain, is the one he put all of us AMERICANS in!

[Ellen1]

Guru wrote:

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lol...I have never heard of such crap as this. ARPAIO and ZULLO and all of the forensic fraud experts have so PROVED beyond any doubt whatsover that his "birth certificate" that you refer to is a fraud it is beyond any question. They are law enforcement officers with a combined over 100 years of doing exactly what this is all about. Other countries concur with them.
Your little story here does nothing to refute any of that. Besides, you have no clue whatsoever about what you are talking about here. Typical.
There are so many things wrong with your facts here that have been 100% totally disproved that it is not necessary to do it all over again. The nly thing I will say is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have over 20 different fonts on one typewriter for an "E", and all of the rest of the letters...many of them didn't even exist in 1961. Also over 45 different layers of imported scans withing one document? Impossible! It is all on WND if you look, all the forensics, law enforcement prrof. Or just google the 2 hours video by Arpaio/Zullo that was live-streamed on TV. It is all right there for you to see. After 10 minutes you will know exactly why obama is a fraud and a forger. There really is no way around this unless you have your head in the sand about a mile deep.
You are an OBOT...with two days left.

Re Arpaio/Zullo:

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

and

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indict...

Oh, and:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780...

Re "other countries."---which means that there are people who hate Obama in other countries too. And, all that those other countries have done is quote the same old birther "experts."

Re: "IMPOSSIBLE to have over 20 different fonts on one typewriter for an "E"

That is what you say, but remember pdf is attempting to recognize the fonts of typing that was faint and on security paper, and it is not a photographic technique.

Why didn't WND quote this real expert?

Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: "All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document." When WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.

[Ellen1]

Continuing:

For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:

(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya); (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it never happened.)

(2) got the child back to the USA without either a US visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city---and they have not been lost;

(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);

(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;

(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories---and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Ohio.

(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie---and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do it.

ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.

[Ellen1]

Noway Duh wrote:

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"American will not be out of this economic mess anytime soon."
LOL
Which "American" is that, we all know you don't mean Oblamo, he's an Indonesian citizen with a Connecticut SS#!
The mess you speak of with your, oh so "intelligent" loony left, zealot, obot brain, is the one he put all of us AMERICANS in!

Obama is not an Indonesian citizen as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm.

And millions of people have errors in their SS numbers, caused mainly by data entry errors by SS Administration clerks.

The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

Citations for the fact that millions of people have errors in their SS numbers and multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Soci...

http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/2...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-200137...

[Ellen1]

Noway Duh wrote:

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Can't wait until he loses and all you brainwashed zealot obot loony lefties have a mental breakdown and in your misery search for some sort of location to pray at but seeking to place a monument at the place of his birth you realize there isn't such a sight on US soil! Lol!

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52083178/Kapiolani-...

[goldengirl]

Am soooooo excited that obummer will get his walking papers come Tuesday!!!!!!!!!! Big time celebration ahead.

[Guru]

Ellen1 wrote:

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Re Arpaio/Zullo:
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...
and
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indict...
Oh, and:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292780...
Re "other countries."---which means that there are people who hate Obama in other countries too. And, all that those other countries have done is quote the same old birther "experts."
Re: "IMPOSSIBLE to have over 20 different fonts on one typewriter for an "E"
That is what you say, but remember pdf is attempting to recognize the fonts of typing that was faint and on security paper, and it is not a photographic technique.
Why didn't WND quote this real expert?
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: "All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document." When WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.

You are so desperate as to post this crap? Puuuuullleeez!

Your sources are not law enforcement. They have it all on WND, just ggogle it or google Arpaio Investigation, etc. The entire thing is there. And you comments on the fonts is just more lies by your own desperate self. It is all right there sweety, they aren't reporting it just like Benghazi. ABC has given the death or our ambassador and the embassies burning all over the middle east exactly 32 seconds of reporting. You comments on the fonts is just laughable. No need to debate with you, if obama stood in front of you and admitted he did all of this you still wouldn't believe it. You will believe it though in a few hours as AMERICANS all over the country totally swamp obama out of office in a landslide. COUNT ON IT!

Yours, the MSM and obama's attempts to lie and coverup everything about this guy is going down in flames honey. He is out. It is just a matter of a few hours now. Once he is out the stuff that comes out about him will be enormous.

obama is a brit by law, birth.
obama is an illegal alien in this country
obama forged his birth certificate, selective service card, and SS# is stolen as E-verify proves as well
his passports haven't been seen by anyone
hundreds of lawsuits against him and he uses executive privilege to deny everything...
claims his "privacy"is too important for Americans to see what he say sis true...
Benghazi is the same crap...

etc.

THE POINT IS AMERICANS DON'T LIKE BEING LIED TO AND ANYONE THAT DOES ALL OF THE THINGS OBAMA HAS DONE IS LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING.

After he is out, we'll see how he fares. I think he will be in some major trouble. But he might give himself a pardon in his last few minutes in office.

LMAO!!! obama is out in T-minus 38 hours.

[Johannes]

Noway Duh wrote:

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"American will not be out of this economic mess anytime soon."
LOL
Which "American" is that, we all know you don't mean Oblamo, he's an Indonesian citizen with a Connecticut SS#!
The mess you speak of with your, oh so "intelligent" loony left, zealot, obot brain, is the one he put all of us AMERICANS in!

Obviously you are unable to address my comments with any sort of intelligent remarks.

I know of no Oblamo.

Either respond intelligently and we can discuss the issue or, it not, you can continue with your worthless rantings and fantasies.

[Guru]

LAW ENFORCEMENT FORENSIC INVESTIGATIONS OF OBAMA'S FRAUDULENT BIRTH CERTIFICATE: it is all right here...
http://www.wnd.com/...

...it is ALL right here....hundreds of tests, documents, testimony, facts, film, video, closeups, details,...everything. It is an incredible amount of evidence, and shows exactly how law enforcement investigates. With 10 minutes if not less you will know the facts and easily be able to see for yourself how crude obama's attempts were to forge all of his documents which law enforcement has.

Don't take my word for it...see it for yourself.

[czle77]

Wow I cant believe there are still birthers around , way to go guys !! lol

[Guru]

great 7 min video on everything this election is about...
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/explosive-video-in...

[Grand Birther]

Noway Duh wrote:

Oblamo says 4 more years, we all say 3 more days!

This one is not too bright.

[Noway Duh]

Johannes wrote:

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Obviously you are unable to address my comments with any sort of intelligent remarks.
I know of no Oblamo.
Either respond intelligently and we can discuss the issue or, it not, you can continue with your worthless rantings and fantasies.

Hard to adress someone who can't even figure out how to use simple English!

You wouldn't know intelligence because you have none!

Shall we recap your intelligent ranting?

Johannes wrote:
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No need to display your lack of intelligence or try to divert the topic into something it wasn't.
American will not be out of this economic mess anytime soon.

"American" will not be out of this?

You must be a friggin' English professor!

[Noway Duh]

Grand Birther wrote:

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This one is not too bright.

Oh someone is a little bent! LOL!

[Ellen1]

Guru wrote:

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You are so desperate as to post this crap? Puuuuullleeez!
Your sources are not law enforcement. They have it all on WND, just ggogle it or google Arpaio Investigation, etc. The entire thing is there. And you comments on the fonts is just more lies by your own desperate self. It is all right there sweety, they aren't reporting it just like Benghazi. ABC has given the death or our ambassador and the embassies burning all over the middle east exactly 32 seconds of reporting. You comments on the fonts is just laughable. No need to debate with you, if obama stood in front of you and admitted he did all of this you still wouldn't believe it. You will believe it though in a few hours as AMERICANS all over the country totally swamp obama out of office in a landslide. COUNT ON IT!
Yours, the MSM and obama's attempts to lie and coverup everything about this guy is going down in flames honey. He is out. It is just a matter of a few hours now. Once he is out the stuff that comes out about him will be enormous.
obama is a brit by law, birth.
obama is an illegal alien in this country
obama forged his birth certificate, selective service card, and SS# is stolen as E-verify proves as well
his passports haven't been seen by anyone
hundreds of lawsuits against him and he uses executive privilege to deny everything...
claims his "privacy"is too important for Americans to see what he say sis true...
Benghazi is the same crap...
etc.
THE POINT IS AMERICANS DON'T LIKE BEING LIED TO AND ANYONE THAT DOES ALL OF THE THINGS OBAMA HAS DONE IS LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING.
After he is out, we'll see how he fares. I think he will be in some major trouble. But he might give himself a pardon in his last few minutes in office.
LMAO!!! obama is out in T-minus 38 hours.

The above is an excellent example of why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review all call birthers crazy.

There isn't a shred of evidence that Obama was born in any other country than the USA or in any other place than in Honolulu Hawaii. And only birther experts, mainly WND's "experts" have ever claimed that Obama's birth certificate has anything wrong with it. And in fact the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on Obama's birth certificate. Indeed, the most recent confirmation by Hawaii was accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by the conservative secretary of state of Arizona, meaning that he does not believe Sheriff Joe and the birther "experts."

[Ellen1]

Guru wrote:

LAW ENFORCEMENT FORENSIC INVESTIGATIONS OF OBAMA'S FRAUDULENT BIRTH CERTIFICATE: it is all right here...
http://www.wnd.com/...
...it is ALL right here....hundreds of tests, documents, testimony, facts, film, video, closeups, details,...everything. It is an incredible amount of evidence, and shows exactly how law enforcement investigates. With 10 minutes if not less you will know the facts and easily be able to see for yourself how crude obama's attempts were to forge all of his documents which law enforcement has.
Don't take my word for it...see it for yourself.

For Obama to have been born outside of the USA, Obama’s parents would have had to have:

(1) traveled to Kenya or some other country late in pregnancy at high risk and high expense (particularly to Kenya); (And the government of Kenya now says that it has investigated, and that it did not happen.)

(2) got the child back to the USA without either a visa or his being entered on his mother’s US passport (which would have had to have happened in Kenya or any other country, and would be easy to find) and slipped the child past the US immigration officials who check documents or somehow had the files of the document and the applications for the document all sealed. And since there were few direct flights from foreign countries to Hawaii, those records would be in the INS files in New York or some other city---and they have not been lost;

(3) lied about the place of birth (which is also unlikely because when you have done something interesting like give birth in a foreign country you generally boast about it. And it is also unnecessary to lie since for all purposes but the presidency a naturalized child is as good as a natural born one);

(4) gotten away with the lie despite evidence that Hawaii demanded witness statements whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital;

(5) or, if not (4) then got three Republican officials and several Democrat officials in Hawaii to lie about the fact that the original birth certificate in Obama’s files verified that he was born in Hawaii. And the same for the public Index Data file and the same in 1961 for the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH (and only the DOH could send those notices) or in 2008 or before forged all of the several microfilm versions of those notices and inserted them into the separate files for the two newspapers in the exact right order with all the other stories---and in 2008 Obama was only a junior senator from Ohio.

(6) gotten the teacher who claims to have been told about “Stanley had a baby” to her father, named Stanley, and writing home about it to make up that lie---and in fact found a teacher with a father named Stanley to do it.

ALL of that would have had to have happened for Obama to have been born outside of the USA.

[Ellen1]

Guru wrote:

LAW ENFORCEMENT FORENSIC INVESTIGATIONS OF OBAMA'S FRAUDULENT BIRTH CERTIFICATE: it is all right here...
http://www.wnd.com/...
...it is ALL right here....hundreds of tests, documents, testimony, facts, film, video, closeups, details,...everything. It is an incredible amount of evidence, and shows exactly how law enforcement investigates. With 10 minutes if not less you will know the facts and easily be able to see for yourself how crude obama's attempts were to forge all of his documents which law enforcement has.
Don't take my word for it...see it for yourself.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_cit...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

"Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."--The Wall Street Journal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_cit... )

http://4peoplewhothink.wordpress.com/2012/04/...