BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#123121 Nov 4, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
9/20/84 24 human lives were taken in a terrorist attack on a US embassy in Beirut. Fact.
9/21/84 Ronald "the actor" Reagan campaigned in Iowa. Fact.
http://news.google.com/newspapers...
No one cares you dipshat!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#123123 Nov 4, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
LOL that not a single birfoon can bring themselves to admit that Ronald Reagan campaigned the day after a deadly terrorist attack on a US embassy in which 24 humans lost their lives.
And Bladder Splatter finds humor in this. Worthless POS.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

Chico, CA

#123125 Nov 4, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
LOL that not a single birfoon can bring themselves to admit that Ronald Reagan campaigned the day after a deadly terrorist attack on a US embassy in which 24 humans lost their lives.
That is because the Gipper did not lie to cover it up like Odumbo!
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#123126 Nov 4, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Strategy pops. I only play up to the level of my opponent. HaHaHa
If you aim so high, why do you always wind up slithering under that rock of yours?
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#123127 Nov 4, 2012
Take care, all, see you in a calendar week. Will take in the election in L.V. May even bet. Have a good week.
Ghost of Bush2

Ann Arbor, MI

#123130 Nov 4, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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How little you know. The Newspaper where I got that poll is called the Ottawa Sun. Owned by our Canadian version of Rupert Murdoch, way way to the right of center politically and very very happy with our conservative Canadian govt. Liberal? Ha, hardly.
You mean Ottawa Queerbec, the most LIEberal of all canuck provinces.....sorry canuck kochsukkker, they are very LIEberal.

Romney?Ryan 2012
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#123132 Nov 4, 2012
Noway Duh wrote:
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To date no document expert has examined Oblama's original BC from Hawaii and claimed it to be authentic, not FB* experts, No one. The hospital listed on his So called BC refuses to confirm their hospital as his place of birth, and his people have refused to explain why every BC from that hospital at that same time has an official state seal and appropriate signatures at the bottom, all missing from the one posted by Oblama on his website.
So?

To date NO Birther organization has even asked to see the physical copy of the birth certificate. If they do not ask for it, and if a court does not ask for it, then why should Obama take it to a document expert?

The fact remains that ONLY birther "experts"---who are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, the National Review and the conservative secretary of state of Arizona---have made claims about Obama's birth certificate, and they have made their claims only about the image of the birth certificate and not asked to see the original. Well, there are without question problems with the pdf image of the birth certificate. Who ever said that the pdf image would be perfect??? But they did not ask to see the physical copy, the one with the seal on it---why do you suppose that they did not even ask???

If they had asked, and if the White House had turned them down, they could have reported that fact. So why did the birther organizations not even ASK politely to see the physical copy and promise to take it to a certified document expert such as members of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners or the American Society of Questioned Document Experts or the Association of Forensic Document Examiners? Because, of course, if the real experts saw the physical copy they would say that it was authentic, and the birther myth would collapse.

Instead, the birther organizations and Orly Taite continue to quote people like Paul Irey, who keeps on insisting that Obama never attended Columbia College, even though Columbia University said that he did attend. And they quote nuts like Doug Vogt, who claims that he found the original altar of Abraham. But they do NOT quote such real authorities as:

Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

John Woodman, independent computer professional, repeatedly in his book and in various articles that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: "All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document." And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.

More importantly, the allegation that the birth certificate is forged is a side issue. The real issue is where Obama was born, and the officials of Hawaii of both parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 (sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii, which in 1961 was under a Republican governor) all show that he was born in Hawaii.

Since: Dec 10

Selden, NY

#123134 Nov 4, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
The problems that America faces today are the result of the decisions made during the past 30 years. No President will ever be able change our economy until Congress starts thinking differently and puts America first instead of their own personal agenda.
No need to make excuses for Oloser, seems that’s the only skill he has.

Don’t worry we will becoming out of this black hole soon.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#123135 Nov 4, 2012
Regarding the seal:

The seal is not missing. Obama has showed the physical copies with the seal on them (BOTH the short form and the long form, and remember the short form is the official birth certificate), but the raised seal of the long form does not show up on the scanned document.

How do we know that Obama's Hawaii birth certificate exists? We know that Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate in several ways.

The first is the short-form birth certificate. It is generated by a clerk in the Hawaii DOH reading the information in the files and entering it in a computer form. For that to happen there has to be a document in the files. In Obama's case that happened back in 2007 (though it was not published until 2008) when Obama was only a candidate for president---long before he became the leading candidate, much less president. The clerk would have had to have been lying in 2007, and the confirmations by the Republican officials in 2008 would have to be lies as well.

In addition, we know that Obama had a birth certificate in 1961 from the notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH in that year. We know that only the DOH could send those notices in three ways. First because the representative of the newspapers said so, second because the representative of the DOH said so and third because the section of the newspaper was called "Health Bureau Statistic"---which obviously meant that the facts in it came from the Health Bureau, the DOH. In 1961, the DOH was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children born outside of Hawaii, and it only sent birth notices to the papers for children born in Hawaii. Oh, and in the DOH was operating under Republican governor.

So we know that Obama had a Hawaii birth certificate.

Your claim is that although this certificate exists and although the officials in Hawaii stated that they sent both the short form and the long form version of it to him, and despite a reporter having said that she felt the seal on it----that the officials in Hawaii of both parties and the reporter and the birth notices in 1961 and the Index Data are lying because the embossed seal does not show up on a PDF scan.

Well, back up your claim with some evidence. Show a PDF scan of a Hawaii long form birth certificate that shows the raised seal.

Recently the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm other facts on his published birth certificate. Hawaii did, and the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona accepted it as evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November.

Obama's mother lived in Hawaii. Obama's father was studying in Hawaii. There is not a shred of evidence that either of them went from Hawaii to any other country in 1961---and certainly not to Kenya, where the Kenyan government said that it checked on the "born in Kenya" claim and found that it was false.

Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and pregnant women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days, and yet you and other birthers think that there could be a chance that Obama was born outside of the USA and that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about that fact.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#123136 Nov 4, 2012
Re: "The hospital listed on his So called BC refuses to confirm their hospital as his place of birth..."

Ah, but it has:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol...
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#123137 Nov 4, 2012
good morning obama loving morons! Enjoy the last two days of that commie freak...cuz in less that 45 hours he will packing his bags!!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#123138 Nov 4, 2012
Guru wrote:
good morning obama loving morons! Enjoy the last two days of that commie freak...cuz in less that 45 hours he will packing his bags!!!
Possibly. But it will not be because of the allegation that Obama was not born in the USA because he was born in the USA, in Hawaii. And it will not be because of the allegation that he is not a Natural Born Citizen because the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law, not Vattel, and it refers to the place of birth, and every child born in the USA, except for the children of foreign diplomats, is a Natural Born US Citizen.
Noway Duh

Clearlake, CA

#123140 Nov 4, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
Result of major online poll taken in Canada on Obama-Romney preferences :
1. Who would you rather have crash your wedding? Obama 78%, Romney 22%
2. Who would you rather have a beer with? Obama 80, Romney 20%
3. Who would you rather have over for dinner? Obama 78%, Romney 22%
4. Who would you rather be stuck in an elevator with? Obama 79%, Romney 21%
5. What did you think of Donald Trump's "October Surprise"? 83 % thing it was further proof that he is an idiot.(MY oprinion is that this reinforces my belief that he is simply a front man for money launderers) 17% think he had a point and that Obama should release his records
6. 71% think Obama has a hottrer wife
7. Which endorsement were you most surprised about? 32% Colin Powell, 32% Clint Eastwood, 16% Meatloaf and 20% Lindsay Lohan
8. If you were trapped in a room with a bomb, who would you trust to difuse it? 40% Obama, 14% Romney and 46% hmmm, neither. LoL.
9. 67% think Obama is better for Canada (I would not necessarily agree as GWB was better for Canada than Obama is.)
So Canada wants a beer drinking, party crashing, bomb expert with a hot wife to lead America? LOL! Yah like we listen to what Canada thinks is best for us! Twit!
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#123141 Nov 4, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
Regarding the seal:
The seal is not missing. Obama has showed the physical copies with the seal on them (BOTH the short form and the long form, and remember the short form is the official birth certificate), but the raised seal of the long form does not show up on the scanned document.
How do we know that Obama's Hawaii birth certificate exists? We know that Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate in several ways.
The first is the short-form birth certificate. It is generated by a clerk in the Hawaii DOH reading the information in the files and entering it in a computer form. For that to happen there has to be a document in the files. In Obama's case that happened back in 2007 (though it was not published until 2008) when Obama was only a candidate for president---long before he became the leading candidate, much less president. The clerk would have had to have been lying in 2007, and the confirmations by the Republican officials in 2008 would have to be lies as well.
In addition, we know that Obama had a birth certificate in 1961 from the notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH in that year. We know that only the DOH could send those notices in three ways. First because the representative of the newspapers said so, second because the representative of the DOH said so and third because the section of the newspaper was called "Health Bureau Statistic"---which obviously meant that the facts in it came from the Health Bureau, the DOH. In 1961, the DOH was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children born outside of Hawaii, and it only sent birth notices to the papers for children born in Hawaii. Oh, and in the DOH was operating under Republican governor.
So we know that Obama had a Hawaii birth certificate.
Your claim is that although this certificate exists and although the officials in Hawaii stated that they sent both the short form and the long form version of it to him, and despite a reporter having said that she felt the seal on it----that the officials in Hawaii of both parties and the reporter and the birth notices in 1961 and the Index Data are lying because the embossed seal does not show up on a PDF scan.
Well, back up your claim with some evidence. Show a PDF scan of a Hawaii long form birth certificate that shows the raised seal.
Recently the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm other facts on his published birth certificate. Hawaii did, and the Conservative secretary of s....
lol...I have never heard of such crap as this. ARPAIO and ZULLO and all of the forensic fraud experts have so PROVED beyond any doubt whatsover that his "birth certificate" that you refer to is a fraud it is beyond any question. They are law enforcement officers with a combined over 100 years of doing exactly what this is all about. Other countries concur with them.

Your little story here does nothing to refute any of that. Besides, you have no clue whatsoever about what you are talking about here. Typical.

There are so many things wrong with your facts here that have been 100% totally disproved that it is not necessary to do it all over again. The nly thing I will say is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have over 20 different fonts on one typewriter for an "E", and all of the rest of the letters...many of them didn't even exist in 1961. Also over 45 different layers of imported scans withing one document? Impossible! It is all on WND if you look, all the forensics, law enforcement prrof. Or just google the 2 hours video by Arpaio/Zullo that was live-streamed on TV. It is all right there for you to see. After 10 minutes you will know exactly why obama is a fraud and a forger. There really is no way around this unless you have your head in the sand about a mile deep.

You are an OBOT...with two days left.
Noway Duh

Clearlake, CA

#123142 Nov 4, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Possibly. But it will not be because of the allegation that Obama was not born in the USA because he was born in the USA, in Hawaii. And it will not be because of the allegation that he is not a Natural Born Citizen because the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law, not Vattel, and it refers to the place of birth, and every child born in the USA, except for the children of foreign diplomats, is a Natural Born US Citizen.
Can't wait until he loses and all you brainwashed zealot obot loony lefties have a mental breakdown and in your misery search for some sort of location to pray at but seeking to place a monument at the place of his birth you realize there isn't such a sight on US soil! Lol!
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#123143 Nov 4, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I underestimated the Country Clubbers like Speaker Bonehead. With any luck he will not be Speaker in 2013.
Yes, I do support Dr. Orly Taitz and she has been very effective at keeping the issue alive.
Now, how long did it take you Libtards to give up on Pres. Gore?!? Or Pres. Kerry?!?
Well, at least you admit that your previous predictions did not come true. Perhaps you will stop making them.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#123144 Nov 4, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Strategy pops. I only play up to the level of my opponent. HaHaHa
Still with nothing to say. That's not your strategy, that's your stupidity.
Noway Duh

Clearlake, CA

#123145 Nov 4, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
Regarding the seal:
The seal is not missing. Obama has showed the physical copies with the seal on them (BOTH the short form and the long form, and remember the short form is the official birth certificate), but the raised seal of the long form does not show up on the scanned document.
How do we know that Obama's Hawaii birth certificate exists? We know that Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate in several ways.
The first is the short-form birth certificate. It is generated by a clerk in the Hawaii DOH reading the information in the files and entering it in a computer form. For that to happen there has to be a document in the files. In Obama's case that happened back in 2007 (though it was not published until 2008) when Obama was only a candidate for president---long before he became the leading candidate, much less president. The clerk would have had to have been lying in 2007, and the confirmations by the Republican officials in 2008 would have to be lies as well.
In addition, we know that Obama had a birth certificate in 1961 from the notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH in that year. We know that only the DOH could send those notices in three ways. First because the representative of the newspapers said so, second because the representative of the DOH said so and third because the section of the newspaper was called "Health Bureau Statistic"---which obviously meant that the facts in it came from the Health Bureau, the DOH. In 1961, the DOH was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children born outside of Hawaii, and it only sent birth notices to the papers for children born in Hawaii. Oh, and in the DOH was operating under Republican governor.
So we know that Obama had a Hawaii birth certificate.
Your claim is that although this certificate exists and although the officials in Hawaii stated that they sent both the short form and the long form version of it to him, and despite a reporter having said that she felt the seal on it----that the officials in Hawaii of both parties and the reporter and the birth notices in 1961 and the Index Data are lying because the embossed seal does not show up on a PDF scan.
Well, back up your claim with some evidence. Show a PDF scan of a Hawaii long form birth certificate that shows the raised seal.
Recently the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm other facts on his published birth certificate. Hawaii did, and the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona accepted it as evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November.
Obama's mother lived in Hawaii. Obama's father was studying in Hawaii. There is not a shred of evidence that either of them went from Hawaii to any other country in 1961---and certainly not to Kenya, where the Kenyan government said that it checked on the "born in Kenya" claim and found that it was false.
Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and pregnant women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days, and yet you and other birthers think that there could be a chance that Obama was born outside of the USA and that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about that fact.
Twit! The first document and the second document were both scanned to be placed on the Internet, First time it's missing, after questions to why it's missing it shows up on the second scanning. Hmmm?

Then his third released document of what is suppose to be his "original" BC is also missing the official state seal at the bottom of the document as well as the appropriate signatures as seen on the Nordyke twins BC from the same time, same state, and same hospital. Which also brings up why the number on Oblamos alleged cirtificate is out of sequence to what order he was born to the Nordyke twins. This totally explains why after showing up in Hawaii he now has a Connecticut SS#.

But you know this!
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#123146 Nov 4, 2012
Looking at it wrote:
<quoted text>
No need to make excuses for Oloser, seems that’s the only skill he has.
Don’t worry we will becoming out of this black hole soon.
No need to display your lack of intelligence or try to divert the topic into something it wasn't.

American will not be out of this economic mess anytime soon.
Noway Duh

Clearlake, CA

#123147 Nov 4, 2012
Oblamo says 4 more years, we all say 3 more days!

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