BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#122899 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Puss, that has to be the dumbest post you have ever written, it doesn't even deserve an answer.
Play Law crashes and burns again.

“B. Canons of Statutory Construction

It is a well known canon of statutory construction that courts should construe statutory language to avoid interpretations that would render any phrase superfluous. TRW Inc. v. Andrews, 534 U.S. 19, 31, 122 S.Ct. 441, 151 L.Ed.2d 339 (2001)("It is a cardinal principle of statutory construction that a statute ought, upon the whole, to be so construed that, if it can be prevented, no clause, sentence, or word shall be superfluous, void, or insignificant.")(internal quotation marks omitted).” US v. Cooper, 396 F.3d 308,(3rd Cir. 2005
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Only an illiterate but grandiose bumpkin could possibly believe that the 14 Amendment states or implies that only citizens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Birfoon fantasy:
"All persons subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."
Reality:
"All persons BORN OR NATURALIZED IN THE UNITED STATES, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."
Apparently BirfoonBoy believes "born or naturalized in the United States" are entirely superfluous words and that there was no reason for inclusion of this phrase.
The Play Justice is missing a few cards in his deck.
Noway Duh

Clearlake, CA

#122901 Nov 3, 2012
badsis wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. I'm Voting for Gary Johnson. Someone who know that the (R)etard agenda doesn't work. Oh, let's see, Gov. Blanco asked for Assistance 24 hrs before before Katrina hit. Bush waited 24 hours later before granting it. HMMM. Try again,(R)etard.
Have you been living in a cave on a deserted island the past 4 year? LOL, that explains why you have no knowledge of Oblama's record!
James Madison

Birmingham, AL

#122902 Nov 3, 2012
Anyone that votes for Obumer twice ,should have his/her head examined !!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#122903 Nov 3, 2012
Robert Laity wrote:
It is UNCONTROVERTIBLE. obama's Birth Certificate IS a FORGERY. Obama IS a Usurper!
Answer: Only birther "experts"---who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial---say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama's birth certificate.

The birther "experts" include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend (and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such "experts" as these that the birthers rely on for their case.

There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama's policies, but shows that the birther "experts" are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama's birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.

As for Sheriff Joe and his posse:

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

and

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indict...

It is clear that rational conservatives do not believe the "birth certificate was forged" claims. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review certainly do not.

And the conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm specified facts on Obama's birth certificate. Hawaii did, stating that it compared the image of Obama's birth certificate with the file copy (which is an additional confirmation that there was a file copy BTW) and that Obama was born there and that the facts match. The secretary of state of Arizona accepted this confirmation and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November. This indicates that he does not believe the claims that the birth certificate is forged (including those of Sheriff Joe) and that he does believe the officials in Hawaii.

How do we know that there is an Obama birth certificate in the files in Hawaii and that it says on it that Obama was born in Hawaii?

The first way is based on the short form birth certificate. That was created by a clerk copying the information off of the original document in the files. If there were no document, there could be no short form birth certificate. Hawaii has confirmed that it sent a short form birth certificate (COLB) to Obama.

The second reason is that Hawaii said that there is, several times, under both Republican and Democrat governors.

The third reason is that the current director of health of Hawaii stated in a letter that she had seen the long form birth certificate being created by photocopying onto security paper the original document that was in the files.

The fourth reason is that the existence of Obama's birth certificate in 1961 is proven by the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii. Only the DOH could send those notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers, and the DOH sent only sent those notices for children whom it had issued birth certificates for.

Would you like me to post the citations of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122904 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know what Reagan did the day after the attacks in Lebanon. Why don't you tell us and make sure you have a link to back-up you statement.
<quoted text>
Tisk, tisk, tisk. Petty troll remarks. Like I said, you can never back up any of your troll comments.
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
Back it up??? Well, Raygunz did run after the attacks....that is history. But, then again, YOU don't know a damn thing about history. That's the real problem!!!
Sorry, it is you you are weak on history. Do you know about the USS New Jersey?
On February 8, 1984, USS New Jersey (BB-62) fired almost 300 shells at Druze and Syrian positions in the Bekaa Valley east of Beirut. This was the heaviest shore bombardment since the Korean War.[27] New Jersey's shells killed probably hundreds of people, mostly Shiites and Druze.[28] In his memoir, General Colin Powell (at the time an assistant to Caspar Weinberger) noted that "When the shells started falling on the Shiites, they assumed the American ‘referee’ had taken sides."[29] Some analysts subsequently criticized the decision to have U.S. warships shell Druze and Syrian forces. They claim that this action forced a shift in the previously neutral U.S. forces by convincing local Lebanese Muslims that the United States had taken the Christian side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_New_Jer...
Yep, just one 16" shell, 1,900 pounds, will take out a New York City block and the USS New Jersey fire 300 odd shells. I think we got more of them than they got of us!!!
UninformedOhio Republican

Hammond, IN

#122905 Nov 3, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
Unemployment jumps to record high 7.9%
What???

Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#122907 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>don't need a USSC case to determine who is "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", just read the first sentence of the 14th amendment. Yep, it is so plainly stated, any other interpretation of said would be a violation of the Constitution.
Blather on moron. You've been wrong all year. Why stop now

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122908 Nov 3, 2012
badsis wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. I'm Voting for Gary Johnson. Someone who know that the (R)etard agenda doesn't work. Oh, let's see, Gov. Blanco asked for Assistance 24 hrs before before Katrina hit. Bush waited 24 hours later before granting it. HMMM. Try again,(R)etard.
That's funny as FOUR days before Katrina hit FEMA recommended that N.O. be evacuated and they did not start to evacuate until 24 hours before Katrina hit.
AMTRAC notified N.O. on Friday that they would pull out on Saturday with every passenger car they had and offered free passage to anyone who wanted to leave. A few railroad family members boarded the train as it pulled out.
Ya know, I have strong Libertarian leanings but I will not trow away my vote on someone who can not possibly win.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122911 Nov 3, 2012
This is from FactCheck.org . Even FactCheck admits that the mayor of N.O. waited until the day before, Sunday morning, to order and evacuation!!! But it was all Bush's fault!!!

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 13," National Hurricane Center, 26 Aug 2005.

Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco declares a State of Emergency in Louisiana.

—"Governor Blanco Declares State of Emergency,"Louisiana Governor's Office, 26 Aug 2005.

Saturday, Aug 27 2005 - 2 Days Prior

Blanco asks President Bush to declare a State of Emergency for the state of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. Bush does so, authorizing the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA "to coordinate all disaster relief efforts…" and freeing up federal money for the state.

—"Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina," Louisiana Governor's Office, 27 Aug 2005.

—"Statement on federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana," Office of the White House Press Secretary, 27 Aug 2005.

Katrina is a Category 3 storm, predicted to become Category 4. At 4pm CDT, it is still 380 miles from the mouth of the Mississippi.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 18," National Hurricane Center , 26 Aug 2005.

Director of the National Hurricane Center, Max Mayfield, calls the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New Orleans to warn of potential devastation. The next day he participates in a video conference call to the President, who is at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

—Tamara Lush, " For forecasting chief, no joy in being right," St. Petersburg Times , 30 Aug 2005.

Sunday, Aug. 28 2005 - 1 Day Prior

1 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a Category 4 storm with wind speeds reaching 145 mph.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 20," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

7 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a "potentially catastrophic" Category 5 storm. NOAA predicts "coastal storm surge flooding of 15 to 20 feet above normal tide levels."

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 22," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

—"New Orleans braces for monster hurricane," CNN.com , 29 Aug 2005.

9:30 a.m.- With wind speeds reaching 175 mph, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin orders a mandatory evacuation of the city. The evacuation call comes only 20 hours before Katrina would make landfall – less than half the time that researchers had determined was necessary to evacuate the city.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 13," National Hurricane Center, 26 Aug 2005.

Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco declares a State of Emergency in Louisiana.

—"Governor Blanco Declares State of Emergency,"Louisiana Governor's Office, 26 Aug 2005.

Saturday, Aug 27 2005 - 2 Days Prior

Blanco asks President Bush to declare a State of Emergency for the state of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. Bush does so, authorizing the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA "to coordinate all disaster relief efforts…" and freeing up federal money for the state.
continued.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122912 Nov 3, 2012
—"Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina," Louisiana Governor's Office, 27 Aug 2005.

—"Statement on federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana," Office of the White House Press Secretary, 27 Aug 2005.

Katrina is a Category 3 storm, predicted to become Category 4. At 4pm CDT, it is still 380 miles from the mouth of the Mississippi.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 18," National Hurricane Center , 26 Aug 2005.

Director of the National Hurricane Center, Max Mayfield, calls the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New Orleans to warn of potential devastation. The next day he participates in a video conference call to the President, who is at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

—Tamara Lush, " For forecasting chief, no joy in being right," St. Petersburg Times , 30 Aug 2005.

Sunday, Aug. 28 2005 - 1 Day Prior

1 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a Category 4 storm with wind speeds reaching 145 mph.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 20," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

7 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a "potentially catastrophic" Category 5 storm. NOAA predicts "coastal storm surge flooding of 15 to 20 feet above normal tide levels."

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 22," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

—"New Orleans braces for monster hurricane," CNN.com , 29 Aug 2005.

9:30 a.m.- With wind speeds reaching 175 mph, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin orders a mandatory evacuation of the city. The evacuation call comes only 20 hours before Katrina would make landfall – less than half the time that researchers had determined was necessary to evacuate the city.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#122913 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
badsis wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. I'm Voting for Gary Johnson. Someone who know that the (R)etard agenda doesn't work. Oh, let's see, Gov. Blanco asked for Assistance 24 hrs before before Katrina hit. Bush waited 24 hours later before granting it. HMMM. Try again,(R)etard.
That's funny as FOUR days before Katrina hit FEMA recommended that N.O. be evacuated and they did not start to evacuate until 24 hours before Katrina hit.
AMTRAC notified N.O. on Friday that they would pull out on Saturday with every passenger car they had and offered free passage to anyone who wanted to leave. A few railroad family members boarded the train as it pulled out.
Ya know, I have strong Libertarian leanings but I will not trow away my vote on someone who can not possibly win.
The REAL problem during Katrina was the the levees failed. Those same levees were designed and built by the Army Corps of Engineers. The blame lies with the Army.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122914 Nov 3, 2012
8:30 p.m.- An empty Amtrak train leaves New Orleans, with room for several hundred potential evacuees. "We offered the city the opportunity to take evacuees out of harm's way…The city declined," said Amtrak spokesman Cliff Black. The train left New Orleans no passengers on board.
http://www.factcheck.org/society/katrina_what...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122915 Nov 3, 2012
Oh, N.O. had an evacuation plan which included the use of school buses but they never activated that part of the plan. So not only were thousands of people stranded in New Orleans, the buses were ruined! But it was Bush responsibility!!!

Never Flooded New Orleans Buses Not Used For Evacuation
Posted by Paul: October 4, 2005 -
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2005/10/04/nev...
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#122916 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know what Reagan did the day after the attacks in Lebanon. Why don't you tell us and make sure you have a link to back-up you statement.
I've already don't that. Reagan campaigned in Iowa the day after US citizen were killed in Lebanon.

Your job was to look for yourself. You do realize that the Internet wasn't exactly up and running as we know it in 1984.

Google news archive > Search "Reagan" + specific date 9/21/84

No need to pretend any longer, Rogue Moron.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122918 Nov 3, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
The REAL problem during Katrina was the the levees failed. Those same levees were designed and built by the Army Corps of Engineers. The blame lies with the Army.
I have proven that false several times. You are stuck on stupid. The Army Core of Engineers did not build the Lake Pontchartrain levees. They were build but the City of N.O.. They were rebuilt by the Core in the mid-1960's after which "The local interests' role was maintenance once the work was complete" which the City failed to do. Not one Core levee on the Mississippi River failed. It was only the ones on the Lake Pontchartrain, owned by the City, that failed!!!

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#122919 Nov 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlike Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so. Play Law doesn't count.
Concerning the language of statute, Chief Justice John Marshall stated,“when the legislature manifests clear understanding of its
own intention, which intention consists with its words, courts are bound by it.” United States v. Palmer, 16 U.S.(3 Wheat.) 610, 630 (1818).
“The primary and general rule of statutory construction is that the intent of the lawmaker is to be found in the language that he has used.... The courts have no function of legislation, and simply seek to ascertain the will of the legislator.” United States v. Goldenberg, 168 U.S. 95, 102-03 (1897).
Colloquy has never been controlling.
Grow up.
<quoted text>
Agree.

"And where Congress borrows terms of art in which are accumulated the legal tradition and meaning of centuries of practice, it presumably knows and adopts the cluster of ideas that were attached to each borrowed word in the body of learning from which it was taken and the meaning its use will convey to the judicial mind unless otherwise instructed. In such case, absence of contrary direction may be taken as satisfaction with widely accepted definitions, not as a departure from them. Morissette v. United States, 342 US 246, 263 (1952)

[G]uided by the principle that where words are employed in a statute which had at the time a well-known meaning at common law or in the law of this country they are presumed to have been used in that sense unless the context compels to the contrary. Standard Oil Co. of NJ v. United Sates, 221 US 1, 59 (1911)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122921 Nov 3, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
The Kentucky pin head has his own definiton of lying, and here it is, in examples
Nascar driver : "I'm gonna win this rade". He comes in 2nd. Birthers : LIAR
Weather forecaster : "rain tomorrow". Sun shines. Birthers : LIAR
Sports journalist : "Detroit will sweep SF". SF sweeps Detroit : LIAR
ALL news sources : Courts 166-0 in Obama BC suit : Birthers : LIARS
Fiat to move Jeep factory to China : Proven not true. But but, Romney said so. Birthers : HAS to be true. Fiat's lying.
And so forth.
Jacques, I have asked you several times before to show me proof that Romney said they would move the Jeep factory to China. I am still waiting!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#122922 Nov 3, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Blather on moron. You've been wrong all year. Why stop now
Try running the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment through Play Justice Dale's decoder ring that he found in a cereal box. It "plainly states" that "citizens and only citizens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States." Any other interpretation would be a violation of Play Law.
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>don't need a USSC case to determine who is "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", just read the first sentence of the 14th amendment. Yep, it is so plainly stated, any other interpretation of said would be a violation of the Constitution.
Mary Poppins

Wilson, NC

#122925 Nov 3, 2012
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a little tea pot short and stout. This is my handle this my spout.
Cool beans.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#122927 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>you still can't get around the fact, aliens have never been nor ever will be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the only way to change this is through an amendment to the Constitution.
Sorry Skippy.

Courts have held tha aliens come under the protection of the 14th Amendment and as such are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

You have not provided one case law or statute that supports your position.

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