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UninformedOhio Republican

Hammond, IN

#122905 Nov 3, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
Unemployment jumps to record high 7.9%
What???

Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#122907 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>don't need a USSC case to determine who is "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", just read the first sentence of the 14th amendment. Yep, it is so plainly stated, any other interpretation of said would be a violation of the Constitution.
Blather on moron. You've been wrong all year. Why stop now

Since: May 10

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#122908 Nov 3, 2012
badsis wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. I'm Voting for Gary Johnson. Someone who know that the (R)etard agenda doesn't work. Oh, let's see, Gov. Blanco asked for Assistance 24 hrs before before Katrina hit. Bush waited 24 hours later before granting it. HMMM. Try again,(R)etard.
That's funny as FOUR days before Katrina hit FEMA recommended that N.O. be evacuated and they did not start to evacuate until 24 hours before Katrina hit.
AMTRAC notified N.O. on Friday that they would pull out on Saturday with every passenger car they had and offered free passage to anyone who wanted to leave. A few railroad family members boarded the train as it pulled out.
Ya know, I have strong Libertarian leanings but I will not trow away my vote on someone who can not possibly win.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122911 Nov 3, 2012
This is from FactCheck.org . Even FactCheck admits that the mayor of N.O. waited until the day before, Sunday morning, to order and evacuation!!! But it was all Bush's fault!!!

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 13," National Hurricane Center, 26 Aug 2005.

Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco declares a State of Emergency in Louisiana.

—"Governor Blanco Declares State of Emergency,"Louisiana Governor's Office, 26 Aug 2005.

Saturday, Aug 27 2005 - 2 Days Prior

Blanco asks President Bush to declare a State of Emergency for the state of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. Bush does so, authorizing the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA "to coordinate all disaster relief efforts…" and freeing up federal money for the state.

—"Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina," Louisiana Governor's Office, 27 Aug 2005.

—"Statement on federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana," Office of the White House Press Secretary, 27 Aug 2005.

Katrina is a Category 3 storm, predicted to become Category 4. At 4pm CDT, it is still 380 miles from the mouth of the Mississippi.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 18," National Hurricane Center , 26 Aug 2005.

Director of the National Hurricane Center, Max Mayfield, calls the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New Orleans to warn of potential devastation. The next day he participates in a video conference call to the President, who is at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

—Tamara Lush, " For forecasting chief, no joy in being right," St. Petersburg Times , 30 Aug 2005.

Sunday, Aug. 28 2005 - 1 Day Prior

1 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a Category 4 storm with wind speeds reaching 145 mph.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 20," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

7 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a "potentially catastrophic" Category 5 storm. NOAA predicts "coastal storm surge flooding of 15 to 20 feet above normal tide levels."

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 22," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

—"New Orleans braces for monster hurricane," CNN.com , 29 Aug 2005.

9:30 a.m.- With wind speeds reaching 175 mph, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin orders a mandatory evacuation of the city. The evacuation call comes only 20 hours before Katrina would make landfall – less than half the time that researchers had determined was necessary to evacuate the city.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 13," National Hurricane Center, 26 Aug 2005.

Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco declares a State of Emergency in Louisiana.

—"Governor Blanco Declares State of Emergency,"Louisiana Governor's Office, 26 Aug 2005.

Saturday, Aug 27 2005 - 2 Days Prior

Blanco asks President Bush to declare a State of Emergency for the state of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. Bush does so, authorizing the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA "to coordinate all disaster relief efforts…" and freeing up federal money for the state.
continued.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122912 Nov 3, 2012
—"Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina," Louisiana Governor's Office, 27 Aug 2005.

—"Statement on federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana," Office of the White House Press Secretary, 27 Aug 2005.

Katrina is a Category 3 storm, predicted to become Category 4. At 4pm CDT, it is still 380 miles from the mouth of the Mississippi.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 18," National Hurricane Center , 26 Aug 2005.

Director of the National Hurricane Center, Max Mayfield, calls the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New Orleans to warn of potential devastation. The next day he participates in a video conference call to the President, who is at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

—Tamara Lush, " For forecasting chief, no joy in being right," St. Petersburg Times , 30 Aug 2005.

Sunday, Aug. 28 2005 - 1 Day Prior

1 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a Category 4 storm with wind speeds reaching 145 mph.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 20," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

7 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a "potentially catastrophic" Category 5 storm. NOAA predicts "coastal storm surge flooding of 15 to 20 feet above normal tide levels."

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 22," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

—"New Orleans braces for monster hurricane," CNN.com , 29 Aug 2005.

9:30 a.m.- With wind speeds reaching 175 mph, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin orders a mandatory evacuation of the city. The evacuation call comes only 20 hours before Katrina would make landfall – less than half the time that researchers had determined was necessary to evacuate the city.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#122913 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
badsis wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. I'm Voting for Gary Johnson. Someone who know that the (R)etard agenda doesn't work. Oh, let's see, Gov. Blanco asked for Assistance 24 hrs before before Katrina hit. Bush waited 24 hours later before granting it. HMMM. Try again,(R)etard.
That's funny as FOUR days before Katrina hit FEMA recommended that N.O. be evacuated and they did not start to evacuate until 24 hours before Katrina hit.
AMTRAC notified N.O. on Friday that they would pull out on Saturday with every passenger car they had and offered free passage to anyone who wanted to leave. A few railroad family members boarded the train as it pulled out.
Ya know, I have strong Libertarian leanings but I will not trow away my vote on someone who can not possibly win.
The REAL problem during Katrina was the the levees failed. Those same levees were designed and built by the Army Corps of Engineers. The blame lies with the Army.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122914 Nov 3, 2012
8:30 p.m.- An empty Amtrak train leaves New Orleans, with room for several hundred potential evacuees. "We offered the city the opportunity to take evacuees out of harm's way…The city declined," said Amtrak spokesman Cliff Black. The train left New Orleans no passengers on board.
http://www.factcheck.org/society/katrina_what...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122915 Nov 3, 2012
Oh, N.O. had an evacuation plan which included the use of school buses but they never activated that part of the plan. So not only were thousands of people stranded in New Orleans, the buses were ruined! But it was Bush responsibility!!!

Never Flooded New Orleans Buses Not Used For Evacuation
Posted by Paul: October 4, 2005 -
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2005/10/04/nev...
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#122916 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know what Reagan did the day after the attacks in Lebanon. Why don't you tell us and make sure you have a link to back-up you statement.
I've already don't that. Reagan campaigned in Iowa the day after US citizen were killed in Lebanon.

Your job was to look for yourself. You do realize that the Internet wasn't exactly up and running as we know it in 1984.

Google news archive > Search "Reagan" + specific date 9/21/84

No need to pretend any longer, Rogue Moron.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122918 Nov 3, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
The REAL problem during Katrina was the the levees failed. Those same levees were designed and built by the Army Corps of Engineers. The blame lies with the Army.
I have proven that false several times. You are stuck on stupid. The Army Core of Engineers did not build the Lake Pontchartrain levees. They were build but the City of N.O.. They were rebuilt by the Core in the mid-1960's after which "The local interests' role was maintenance once the work was complete" which the City failed to do. Not one Core levee on the Mississippi River failed. It was only the ones on the Lake Pontchartrain, owned by the City, that failed!!!

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#122919 Nov 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlike Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so. Play Law doesn't count.
Concerning the language of statute, Chief Justice John Marshall stated,“when the legislature manifests clear understanding of its
own intention, which intention consists with its words, courts are bound by it.” United States v. Palmer, 16 U.S.(3 Wheat.) 610, 630 (1818).
“The primary and general rule of statutory construction is that the intent of the lawmaker is to be found in the language that he has used.... The courts have no function of legislation, and simply seek to ascertain the will of the legislator.” United States v. Goldenberg, 168 U.S. 95, 102-03 (1897).
Colloquy has never been controlling.
Grow up.
<quoted text>
Agree.

"And where Congress borrows terms of art in which are accumulated the legal tradition and meaning of centuries of practice, it presumably knows and adopts the cluster of ideas that were attached to each borrowed word in the body of learning from which it was taken and the meaning its use will convey to the judicial mind unless otherwise instructed. In such case, absence of contrary direction may be taken as satisfaction with widely accepted definitions, not as a departure from them. Morissette v. United States, 342 US 246, 263 (1952)

[G]uided by the principle that where words are employed in a statute which had at the time a well-known meaning at common law or in the law of this country they are presumed to have been used in that sense unless the context compels to the contrary. Standard Oil Co. of NJ v. United Sates, 221 US 1, 59 (1911)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122921 Nov 3, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
The Kentucky pin head has his own definiton of lying, and here it is, in examples
Nascar driver : "I'm gonna win this rade". He comes in 2nd. Birthers : LIAR
Weather forecaster : "rain tomorrow". Sun shines. Birthers : LIAR
Sports journalist : "Detroit will sweep SF". SF sweeps Detroit : LIAR
ALL news sources : Courts 166-0 in Obama BC suit : Birthers : LIARS
Fiat to move Jeep factory to China : Proven not true. But but, Romney said so. Birthers : HAS to be true. Fiat's lying.
And so forth.
Jacques, I have asked you several times before to show me proof that Romney said they would move the Jeep factory to China. I am still waiting!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#122922 Nov 3, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Blather on moron. You've been wrong all year. Why stop now
Try running the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment through Play Justice Dale's decoder ring that he found in a cereal box. It "plainly states" that "citizens and only citizens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States." Any other interpretation would be a violation of Play Law.
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>don't need a USSC case to determine who is "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", just read the first sentence of the 14th amendment. Yep, it is so plainly stated, any other interpretation of said would be a violation of the Constitution.
Mary Poppins

Wilson, NC

#122925 Nov 3, 2012
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a little tea pot short and stout. This is my handle this my spout.
Cool beans.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#122927 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>you still can't get around the fact, aliens have never been nor ever will be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the only way to change this is through an amendment to the Constitution.
Sorry Skippy.

Courts have held tha aliens come under the protection of the 14th Amendment and as such are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

You have not provided one case law or statute that supports your position.
Mary Poppins

Wilson, NC

#122928 Nov 3, 2012
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a little tea pot short and stout. This is my handle this my spout.
I read that the first time.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#122930 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have proven that false several times. You are stuck on stupid. The Army Core of Engineers did not build the Lake Pontchartrain levees. They were build but the City of N.O.. They were rebuilt by the Core in the mid-1960's after which "The local interests' role was maintenance once the work was complete" which the City failed to do. Not one Core levee on the Mississippi River failed. It was only the ones on the Lake Pontchartrain, owned by the City, that failed!!!
You have never proven anything false.

The Army built the levees that failed due to faulty design and construction.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#122931 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have proven that false several times. You are stuck on stupid. The Army Core of Engineers did not build the Lake Pontchartrain levees. They were build but the City of N.O.. They were rebuilt by the Core in the mid-1960's after which "The local interests' role was maintenance once the work was complete" which the City failed to do. Not one Core levee on the Mississippi River failed. It was only the ones on the Lake Pontchartrain, owned by the City, that failed!!!
That would be 'Corps' not 'Core'.

Think about that the next time you tell us that you are the most knowledgeable on military topics.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#122932 Nov 3, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Agree.
"And where Congress borrows terms of art in which are accumulated the legal tradition and meaning of centuries of practice, it presumably knows and adopts the cluster of ideas that were attached to each borrowed word in the body of learning from which it was taken and the meaning its use will convey to the judicial mind unless otherwise instructed. In such case, absence of contrary direction may be taken as satisfaction with widely accepted definitions, not as a departure from them. Morissette v. United States, 342 US 246, 263 (1952)
[G]uided by the principle that where words are employed in a statute which had at the time a well-known meaning at common law or in the law of this country they are presumed to have been used in that sense unless the context compels to the contrary. Standard Oil Co. of NJ v. United Sates, 221 US 1, 59 (1911)
Although this has little to do with the birther issue, I just read about an interesting case in Connecticut. The Supreme Court of Connecticut recently ruled that the six-year statute of limitations does not apply to the state. According to the high court, the state is immune to the six-year statute of limitations per the the 13th Century English legal doctrine known as "nullum tempus occurrit regi," which means, literally, that "no time runs against the king."

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-uc...

http://tinyurl.com/dx66s8g
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#122933 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have proven that false several times. You are stuck on stupid. The Army Core of Engineers did not build the Lake Pontchartrain levees. They were build but the City of N.O.. They were rebuilt by the Core in the mid-1960's after which "The local interests' role was maintenance once the work was complete" which the City failed to do. Not one Core levee on the Mississippi River failed. It was only the ones on the Lake Pontchartrain, owned by the City, that failed!!!
Yea, here's your proof...

In 29 August 2005 there were over 50 failures of the levees and flood walls protecting New Orleans, Louisiana, and its suburbs following passage of Hurricane Katrina and landfall in Mississippi. The levee and flood wall failures caused flooding in 80% of New Orleans and all of St. Bernard Parish. Tens of billions of gallons of water spilled into vast areas of New Orleans, flooding over 100,000 homes and businesses. Responsibility for the design and construction of the levee system belongs to the United States Army Corps of Engineers; the responsibility of maintenance belongs to the local levee boards. The Corps hands components of the system over to the local levee boards upon completion. When Katrina struck in 2005, the project was between 60-90% complete.[1] Five investigations (three major and two minor) were conducted by civil engineers and other experts, in an attempt to identify the underlying reasons for the failure of the federal flood protection system. All concur that the primary cause of the flooding was inadequate design and construction by the Corps of Engineers.

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