BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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James Madison

Birmingham, AL

#122890 Nov 3, 2012
Did you hear obumer in Iowa saying to the crowd
"You people, know what change looks like"
what he's saying is, his plan to cripple the economy,make the dollar worthless ,have government control its citizens (like all 3rd world countries do ) have a weak military ,so it can be invaded !!(rasict) because the foundry fathers were white .and start from a pile of rubbal . i got news for him ,he wont be around when the US is invaded.
He's a mental patient,and needs to be in a hospital !!
Justice Dale

United States

#122891 Nov 3, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Since all people who are in the USA with the exception of foreign diplomats and their families are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, aliens (even illegal aliens) are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.
absolutely not, according to the US Constitution, citizens are the only persons subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. You, nor the USSC can prove me wrong.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#122892 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>that is correct! All limitations have been remove, either by birth to a citizen father or naturalization.
Gibberish.

If it were assumed that all persons subject to the jurisdiction of the US were citizens, according to the amendment, then "born or naturalized in the United States" would be meaningless and superfluous. The assumption falls. Play Law doesn't count.

"B. Canons of Statutory Construction

It is a well known canon of statutory construction that courts should construe statutory language to avoid interpretations that would render any phrase superfluous. TRW Inc. v. Andrews, 534 U.S. 19, 31, 122 S.Ct. 441, 151 L.Ed.2d 339 (2001)("It is a cardinal principle of statutory construction that a statute ought, upon the whole, to be so construed that, if it can be prevented, no clause, sentence, or word shall be superfluous, void, or insignificant.")(internal quotation marks omitted)." US v. Cooper, 396 F.3d 308,(3rd Cir. 2005)
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
It may seem that way if you have a serious cognitive deficit.
Play Justice Dale seems to believe that the 14th Amendment states “all persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States are citizens” without any other limitations.
Was he kicked in the head by a horse when he was a child?
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#122893 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know what Reagan did the day after the attacks in Lebanon. Why don't you tell us and make sure you have a link to back-up you statement.
<quoted text>
Tisk, tisk, tisk. Petty troll remarks. Like I said, you can never back up any of your troll comments.
Back it up??? Well, Raygunz did run after the attacks....that is history. But, then again, YOU don't know a damn thing about history. That's the real problem!!!
Noway Duh

Clearlake, CA

#122894 Nov 3, 2012
badsis wrote:
<quoted text>
Ummm. You do realize that Obama is the President and the Storm was Sandy. I think you got it backwards, not surprising looking at the intelligence of your posts. Obviously the guy you're voting for has an (R) by his name. If you vote with the brain you post here, you'll probably screw that up too.
Oblama is responsible for the Americans affected and killed because of this storm, why are all you brainwashed zealot obot lefty loons so willing to excuse his lack of involvement in helping the victories and the states involved? You had no problem letting Bush have it after Katrina! The fact is you people screwed it up by putting this individual with an Indonesian citizenship, Hawaii BC and Connecticut SS# in charge of our country. You know you would have voted for him even if he had an (R) by his name, and that is a fact!
Justice Dale

United States

#122895 Nov 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I did.
<quoted text>
Give a lib enough rope, they hang themselves.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#122896 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>absolutely not, according to the US Constitution, citizens are the only persons subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. You, nor the USSC can prove me wrong.
Dream your dreams. The US Supreme Court has said that everyone in the USA except for the families of foreign diplomats is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.

The US Supreme Court is the final authority on the Constitution of the USA. In contrast, you are a nut.
Justice Dale

United States

#122897 Nov 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I did.
<quoted text>
Puss, you have been neutralized.
Noway Duh

Clearlake, CA

#122898 Nov 3, 2012
Oh wait my mistake he's willing to help as long as only his union buddies do the helping!

You obots are twits!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#122899 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Puss, that has to be the dumbest post you have ever written, it doesn't even deserve an answer.
Play Law crashes and burns again.

“B. Canons of Statutory Construction

It is a well known canon of statutory construction that courts should construe statutory language to avoid interpretations that would render any phrase superfluous. TRW Inc. v. Andrews, 534 U.S. 19, 31, 122 S.Ct. 441, 151 L.Ed.2d 339 (2001)("It is a cardinal principle of statutory construction that a statute ought, upon the whole, to be so construed that, if it can be prevented, no clause, sentence, or word shall be superfluous, void, or insignificant.")(internal quotation marks omitted).” US v. Cooper, 396 F.3d 308,(3rd Cir. 2005
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Only an illiterate but grandiose bumpkin could possibly believe that the 14 Amendment states or implies that only citizens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Birfoon fantasy:
"All persons subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."
Reality:
"All persons BORN OR NATURALIZED IN THE UNITED STATES, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."
Apparently BirfoonBoy believes "born or naturalized in the United States" are entirely superfluous words and that there was no reason for inclusion of this phrase.
The Play Justice is missing a few cards in his deck.
Noway Duh

Clearlake, CA

#122901 Nov 3, 2012
badsis wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. I'm Voting for Gary Johnson. Someone who know that the (R)etard agenda doesn't work. Oh, let's see, Gov. Blanco asked for Assistance 24 hrs before before Katrina hit. Bush waited 24 hours later before granting it. HMMM. Try again,(R)etard.
Have you been living in a cave on a deserted island the past 4 year? LOL, that explains why you have no knowledge of Oblama's record!
James Madison

Birmingham, AL

#122902 Nov 3, 2012
Anyone that votes for Obumer twice ,should have his/her head examined !!!
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#122903 Nov 3, 2012
Robert Laity wrote:
It is UNCONTROVERTIBLE. obama's Birth Certificate IS a FORGERY. Obama IS a Usurper!
Answer: Only birther "experts"---who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial---say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama's birth certificate.

The birther "experts" include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend (and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such "experts" as these that the birthers rely on for their case.

There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama's policies, but shows that the birther "experts" are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama's birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.

As for Sheriff Joe and his posse:

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

and

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indict...

It is clear that rational conservatives do not believe the "birth certificate was forged" claims. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review certainly do not.

And the conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm specified facts on Obama's birth certificate. Hawaii did, stating that it compared the image of Obama's birth certificate with the file copy (which is an additional confirmation that there was a file copy BTW) and that Obama was born there and that the facts match. The secretary of state of Arizona accepted this confirmation and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November. This indicates that he does not believe the claims that the birth certificate is forged (including those of Sheriff Joe) and that he does believe the officials in Hawaii.

How do we know that there is an Obama birth certificate in the files in Hawaii and that it says on it that Obama was born in Hawaii?

The first way is based on the short form birth certificate. That was created by a clerk copying the information off of the original document in the files. If there were no document, there could be no short form birth certificate. Hawaii has confirmed that it sent a short form birth certificate (COLB) to Obama.

The second reason is that Hawaii said that there is, several times, under both Republican and Democrat governors.

The third reason is that the current director of health of Hawaii stated in a letter that she had seen the long form birth certificate being created by photocopying onto security paper the original document that was in the files.

The fourth reason is that the existence of Obama's birth certificate in 1961 is proven by the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii. Only the DOH could send those notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the papers, and the DOH sent only sent those notices for children whom it had issued birth certificates for.

Would you like me to post the citations of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122904 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know what Reagan did the day after the attacks in Lebanon. Why don't you tell us and make sure you have a link to back-up you statement.
<quoted text>
Tisk, tisk, tisk. Petty troll remarks. Like I said, you can never back up any of your troll comments.
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
Back it up??? Well, Raygunz did run after the attacks....that is history. But, then again, YOU don't know a damn thing about history. That's the real problem!!!
Sorry, it is you you are weak on history. Do you know about the USS New Jersey?
On February 8, 1984, USS New Jersey (BB-62) fired almost 300 shells at Druze and Syrian positions in the Bekaa Valley east of Beirut. This was the heaviest shore bombardment since the Korean War.[27] New Jersey's shells killed probably hundreds of people, mostly Shiites and Druze.[28] In his memoir, General Colin Powell (at the time an assistant to Caspar Weinberger) noted that "When the shells started falling on the Shiites, they assumed the American ‘referee’ had taken sides."[29] Some analysts subsequently criticized the decision to have U.S. warships shell Druze and Syrian forces. They claim that this action forced a shift in the previously neutral U.S. forces by convincing local Lebanese Muslims that the United States had taken the Christian side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_New_Jer...
Yep, just one 16" shell, 1,900 pounds, will take out a New York City block and the USS New Jersey fire 300 odd shells. I think we got more of them than they got of us!!!
UninformedOhio Republican

Munster, IN

#122905 Nov 3, 2012
ARGUING with IDIOTS wrote:
Unemployment jumps to record high 7.9%
What???

Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#122907 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>don't need a USSC case to determine who is "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", just read the first sentence of the 14th amendment. Yep, it is so plainly stated, any other interpretation of said would be a violation of the Constitution.
Blather on moron. You've been wrong all year. Why stop now

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122908 Nov 3, 2012
badsis wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. I'm Voting for Gary Johnson. Someone who know that the (R)etard agenda doesn't work. Oh, let's see, Gov. Blanco asked for Assistance 24 hrs before before Katrina hit. Bush waited 24 hours later before granting it. HMMM. Try again,(R)etard.
That's funny as FOUR days before Katrina hit FEMA recommended that N.O. be evacuated and they did not start to evacuate until 24 hours before Katrina hit.
AMTRAC notified N.O. on Friday that they would pull out on Saturday with every passenger car they had and offered free passage to anyone who wanted to leave. A few railroad family members boarded the train as it pulled out.
Ya know, I have strong Libertarian leanings but I will not trow away my vote on someone who can not possibly win.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122911 Nov 3, 2012
This is from FactCheck.org . Even FactCheck admits that the mayor of N.O. waited until the day before, Sunday morning, to order and evacuation!!! But it was all Bush's fault!!!

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 13," National Hurricane Center, 26 Aug 2005.

Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco declares a State of Emergency in Louisiana.

—"Governor Blanco Declares State of Emergency,"Louisiana Governor's Office, 26 Aug 2005.

Saturday, Aug 27 2005 - 2 Days Prior

Blanco asks President Bush to declare a State of Emergency for the state of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. Bush does so, authorizing the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA "to coordinate all disaster relief efforts…" and freeing up federal money for the state.

—"Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina," Louisiana Governor's Office, 27 Aug 2005.

—"Statement on federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana," Office of the White House Press Secretary, 27 Aug 2005.

Katrina is a Category 3 storm, predicted to become Category 4. At 4pm CDT, it is still 380 miles from the mouth of the Mississippi.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 18," National Hurricane Center , 26 Aug 2005.

Director of the National Hurricane Center, Max Mayfield, calls the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New Orleans to warn of potential devastation. The next day he participates in a video conference call to the President, who is at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

—Tamara Lush, " For forecasting chief, no joy in being right," St. Petersburg Times , 30 Aug 2005.

Sunday, Aug. 28 2005 - 1 Day Prior

1 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a Category 4 storm with wind speeds reaching 145 mph.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 20," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

7 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a "potentially catastrophic" Category 5 storm. NOAA predicts "coastal storm surge flooding of 15 to 20 feet above normal tide levels."

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 22," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

—"New Orleans braces for monster hurricane," CNN.com , 29 Aug 2005.

9:30 a.m.- With wind speeds reaching 175 mph, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin orders a mandatory evacuation of the city. The evacuation call comes only 20 hours before Katrina would make landfall – less than half the time that researchers had determined was necessary to evacuate the city.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 13," National Hurricane Center, 26 Aug 2005.

Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco declares a State of Emergency in Louisiana.

—"Governor Blanco Declares State of Emergency,"Louisiana Governor's Office, 26 Aug 2005.

Saturday, Aug 27 2005 - 2 Days Prior

Blanco asks President Bush to declare a State of Emergency for the state of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina. Bush does so, authorizing the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA "to coordinate all disaster relief efforts…" and freeing up federal money for the state.
continued.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122912 Nov 3, 2012
—"Governor Blanco asks President to Declare an Emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina," Louisiana Governor's Office, 27 Aug 2005.

—"Statement on federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana," Office of the White House Press Secretary, 27 Aug 2005.

Katrina is a Category 3 storm, predicted to become Category 4. At 4pm CDT, it is still 380 miles from the mouth of the Mississippi.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 18," National Hurricane Center , 26 Aug 2005.

Director of the National Hurricane Center, Max Mayfield, calls the governors of Louisiana and Mississippi and the mayor of New Orleans to warn of potential devastation. The next day he participates in a video conference call to the President, who is at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

—Tamara Lush, " For forecasting chief, no joy in being right," St. Petersburg Times , 30 Aug 2005.

Sunday, Aug. 28 2005 - 1 Day Prior

1 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a Category 4 storm with wind speeds reaching 145 mph.

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 20," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

7 a.m.- Katrina is upgraded to a "potentially catastrophic" Category 5 storm. NOAA predicts "coastal storm surge flooding of 15 to 20 feet above normal tide levels."

—"Hurricane Katrina Special Advisory Number 22," National Hurricane Center, 28 Aug 2005.

—"New Orleans braces for monster hurricane," CNN.com , 29 Aug 2005.

9:30 a.m.- With wind speeds reaching 175 mph, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin orders a mandatory evacuation of the city. The evacuation call comes only 20 hours before Katrina would make landfall – less than half the time that researchers had determined was necessary to evacuate the city.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#122913 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
badsis wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. I'm Voting for Gary Johnson. Someone who know that the (R)etard agenda doesn't work. Oh, let's see, Gov. Blanco asked for Assistance 24 hrs before before Katrina hit. Bush waited 24 hours later before granting it. HMMM. Try again,(R)etard.
That's funny as FOUR days before Katrina hit FEMA recommended that N.O. be evacuated and they did not start to evacuate until 24 hours before Katrina hit.
AMTRAC notified N.O. on Friday that they would pull out on Saturday with every passenger car they had and offered free passage to anyone who wanted to leave. A few railroad family members boarded the train as it pulled out.
Ya know, I have strong Libertarian leanings but I will not trow away my vote on someone who can not possibly win.
The REAL problem during Katrina was the the levees failed. Those same levees were designed and built by the Army Corps of Engineers. The blame lies with the Army.

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