BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#122786 Nov 3, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
#120,299<quoted text>
Sadly, the simpletons who lack education make grave mistakes that even the illiterate and uneducated immigrants know enough to avoid.
The unsophisticated and naive whose fantasy world is derived from infomercials about real estate fail to know some of the most elementary principles of real estate.
1. The great one has his holdings in an S corp., so that s/he can "take all the deductions." But lacking education s/he doesn't know that
“(A) Termination
“(i) In general An [error in original] election under subsection (a) shall be terminated whenever the corporation—
“(II) has gross receipts for each of such taxable years more than 25 percent of which are passive investment income.”
==
“(C) Passive investment income defined
“(i) In general Except [error in original] as otherwise provided in this subparagraph, the term “passive investment income” means gross receipts derived from royalties, RENTS, dividends, interest, and annuities.”[Citation omitted as too obvious to any knowledgeable real estate player.]
2. Based on the poster's own description of her/his very successful forays into the world of real estate, s/he reveals unwittingly that s/he is a dealer and, therefore, not entitled to capital gain treatment on ANY her/his real estate transactions.
==
Perhaps the unsophisticated and naive one might have profited from a good M.S.T. or M.B.A. program at a strong academic institution such as the University of Chicago to avoid such basic and juvenile errors known to anyone who really maximizes their return through their real estate business.
Touché.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122787 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
what Howard offered, was accepted in its entirety (final language) became the law of the 14th amendment.
Are you really so stupid that you don't realize how stupid you are -- even when scholarship smacks you right in the face?
Justice Dale

United States

#122789 Nov 3, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again.
"The remarks of a single legislator, even the sponsor, are not controlling in analyzing legislative history." Chrysler Corp. v. Brown, 441 US 281, 311 (1979)
Need more?
Okay
"In construing a statute we do not consider the motives or understandings of individual legislators who cast their votes in favor of it.[Citations.] Nor do we carve an exception to this principle simply because the legislator whose motives are proffered actually authored the bill in controversy [citation]; no guarantee can issue that those who supported his proposal shared his view of its compass." California Teachers Assn. v. San Diego Comm. College Dist., 28 Cal.3d 692 , 699-700 (California 1981)(internal citation omitted)
you still can't get around the fact, aliens have never been nor ever will be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the only way to change this is through an amendment to the Constitution.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#122790 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
I think I got her goat .... again!!!
Rogue Moron, instead of making troll replies, you could simply answer this question:

Why would there be geese (of any species) in Canada right now?

You posited that snow geese are in Canada right now.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122791 Nov 3, 2012
American Lady wrote:
but It is legitimate for us to defend our own rights & those of our fellow citizens against the 'abuse of authority' within the limits of the natural law ....
Please do a great public service for the Class by telling them where they can find "natural law" written down for anyone to study.
IF you fail to point to a specific writing (or writings), you are admitting that there is NO SUCH thing a "natural law."
PLEASE, PLEASE, do not fail the Class.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#122792 Nov 3, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Remember Bladder Splatter, I asked you what the margin of error was. Can't answer huh? Figures. Stool.
LOL, birfoon circular lies go nowhere.

You asked and I checked and verified. No need to move the goal posts and pretend you asked for something else.

I however have been asking you very specific question which you are too dumb to answer.

Instead you reply like a child. Typical birfoon behaviour.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#122793 Nov 3, 2012
Guru wrote:
obama says "vote for revenge!"...
Mitt says "vote for love of country!"
...there is a huge difference between a real President and obama.
You do read what you imagine, don't you? For your brain (loosen your belt), Obama said to the crowd not to boo Romney, which is very civil and something that is foreign to you, and "vote for revenge" is like saying "the best revenge is to score a goal". Why oh why does everything have to be explained to you? How it must suck...never mind.

Any comments on the Fiat move farce and outright lies and fabrications from the Romney camp or just more profantiy seeing as you no answer?

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Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122794 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“More pointedly, we are disappointed in the tone of Obama’s relentless insinuations that wealthy Americans refuse to pay their fair share. That tone is divisive and damaging for the nation and for our economy. It creates villains and victims, and unfairly so.”
– The Daily Herald, Chicago
LARGE NEWSPAPERS?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122795 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Nationally, the one thing that is needed above anything else is job creation. Yet, the president’s economic proposal is to raise taxes on the job-creating class. Why ever would you raise taxes on anyone when real unemployment is around 15 percent? That defies all economic theories. Let’s face it: Romney is more of a businessman than a politician. You can resent his wealth all you want, but he has a proven record as a turnaround artist.”
–The Daily Tribune, Royal Oak, MI
LARGE NEWSPAPERS?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122796 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Four years ago, the editorial board’s willingness to change horses in the middle of a churning river led us to call for voters to break the Republican hold on the White House and try a Democrat with a fresh spark. Today, it leads the editorial board to urge voters to say “enough” to a Democratic administration whose sincere best has turned out disappointing, and install a seasoned leader with a record of fixing problems.”
–Long Beach Press-Telegram
Could California be a sleeper state for the Republicans?
LARGE NEWSPAPERS?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122797 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Four years ago, we recommended Barack Obama be elected. He offered himself as someone who could bridge the wide chasm between Democrats and Republicans. However, after four years, the situation has worsened.”
–Pensacola News Journal
LARGE NEWSPAPERS?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122798 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Mr. Obama may have great ideas, but if he can’t get them through Congress — and there’s no reason to think anything on that account will change after Nov. 6 — they are worthless.”
–The Reporter
LARGE NEWSPAPERS?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122799 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Class warfare might be a successful strategy for cobbling together 270 electoral votes. But it’s not the way to unite a divided nation. The president comes to town on a Monday, takes our money, shakes our hands and tells us how much he values the CEOs and innovators of New York. And then on Tuesday, he turns around and refers to business leaders as fat cat bankers whose success was created by the sweat of others. That’s not a friend. That’s not a leader. That’s a politician.”
–The New York Observer
LARGE NEWSPAPERS?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122800 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Instead of following through on his hope-and-change message, Obama keeps telling us the limits of hope and change.”
–Pasadena Star-News
LARGE NEWSPAPERS?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122801 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“In 2008, an unproven Obama promised things would turn out differently with him in charge.“Change we can believe in” is how he put it. Four years later we realize it was all made up.”
–Fitchburg Sentinel & Enterprise
LARGE NEWSPAPERS?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122802 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Sure, funding for public broadcasting is an insignificant part of the budget, but if Obama isn’t even willing to cut one one-hundreth of 1 percent of federal spending for something that is non-vital to America, then the president is not serious about reducing spending at all.
If Obama is not serious about that, he is the wrong person for the job.”
–The Joplin Globe
LARGE NEWSPAPERS?
Justice Dale

United States

#122803 Nov 3, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
"Although the congressional debate concerning § 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment was limited, that debate clearly confirms the understanding that the phrase "within its jurisdiction" was intended in a broad sense to offer the guarantee of equal protection to ALL within a State's boundaries, and to all upon whom the State would impose the obligations of its laws. Indeed, it appears from those debates that Congress, by using the phrase "person within its jurisdiction," sought expressly to ensure that the equal protection of the laws was provided to the ALIEN POPULATION. Representative Bingham reported to the House the draft resolution of the Joint Committee of Fifteen on Reconstruction (H. R. 63) that was to become the Fourteenth Amendment.[13] Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess., 1033 (1866)."
Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 214 (1982)(emphasis added)
Need More? Okay
"The Amendment [14th], in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of ALL OTHER PERSONS, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. EVERY CITIZEN OR SUBJECT OF ANOTHER COUNTRY, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION, OF THE UNITED STATES. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke, in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle." United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 693 (1898))(emphasis added)
Question: what is your problem?
by your logic, your first para is irrelevant.
The USSC can not change the constitution, only citizens are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", as plainly stated in the first sentence of the 14th amend.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122804 Nov 3, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
#122,484
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
LARGE NEWSPAPERS?
Well Tootsie, "LARGE" is relative, isn't it? New York City is the 19th largest city in the world by population. And Shitcago is not in the top 50!

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Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122805 Nov 3, 2012
Real Change is Coming wrote:
There is NO CONTROVERSY with Mitt Romney
SURE THERE IS.
As much as we "Wild Women Wild about Willard" love him, if Willard didn't get into HLS/BS solely because of his father, why wasn't his academic record strong enough to merit an invitation to try for The Law Review?

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Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122806 Nov 3, 2012
Guru wrote:
Polls...
Rassmusen R 50 O 48
Gallup R 52 O 47
Star R 51 O 48
CBS R 17 O 98
NBC R 2 O 164
MSNBC R 0 O 3,000
yep.
Would you want to bet that NOT ONE of the people surveyed by any of those polling services is eligible under the United States Constitution to cast a vote for the President of the United States of America?

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