BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 239614 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 8, 2009, titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122782 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
"what Howard offer was accepted in its entirety and ratified in 1868."
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Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
Wrong.
The personal opinions of the drafters of the 14th Amendment
were irrelevant into the meaning of the final language of the 14th Amendment.
Justice Scalia reminds us that "We are governed by laws, not by the intentions of legislators. As the Court said in 1844: "The law as it passed is the will of the majority of both houses, and the only mode in which that will is spoken is in the act itself ...." Aldridge v. Williams, 3 How. 9, 24 (emphasis added). But not the least of the defects of legislative history is its indeterminacy. If one were to search for an interpretive technique that, on the whole, was more likely to confuse than to clarify, one could hardly find a more promising candidate than legislative history....
Judge Harold Leventhal used to describe the use of legislative history as the equivalent of entering a crowded cocktail party and looking over the heads of the guests for one's friends. Conroy v. Aniskoff, 507 US 511, 519 (Scalia, J., concurring)
Moreover, "While it is generally true that debates in Congress are not appropriate sources of information from which to discover the meaning of the language of a statute passed by that body. Binns v. United States, 194 US 486 , 495(1904)(internal citation omitted)
Finally, the piece de resistance "By repeated decisions of this court it has come to be well established that the debates in Congress expressive of the views and motives of individual members are not a safe guide, and hence may not be resorted to, in ascertaining the meaning and purpose of the law-making body. Aldridge v. Williams, 3 How. 9, 24; United States v. Union Pacific R.R. Co., 91 U.S. 72, 79; United States v. Trans-Missouri Freight Association, 166 U.S. 290, 318. Duplex Printing Press Co. v. Deering, 254 US 443, 474 (1923)
Want more?
Thank goodness ATF is still around to educate those who know NOTHING about jurisprudence. The "Justice's" standard for statutory construction is whatever her/his feeble mind can grasp.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#122783 Nov 3, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
#120,575
“Guru wrote:
“...the rest of us here [SIC] you loud and clear brother.”
#120,299
“Guru wrote:
“BTW, the college I went to was one of the top rated colleges in the nation.”
Isn't it funny that Grand Birther, Toledo, OH disappears, you pop back in. Are you in Ohio two policing for Obama? You do know Obama will lose Ohio, don't you?
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#122784 Nov 3, 2012
Vote Romney to Lose wrote:
<quoted text>
Reality???
You can continue to fool yourself with your delusions.
Nothing was taken out of context other than your fantasy.
“Admittedly, we publish some misinformation by columnists, as does your publication and every other journal that contains opinion.”
He is actually right about the fact that many news organizations publish opinions that are not factually vetted.
Farrah told the truth.

I am still waiting for you to prove that WND has ever published misinformation with the intent of deceiving their readers.
Kentucky Klown Kar's famous tactic is to take anything s/he can out of context.

Why can't Kentucky Klown Kar just go on to show that the rest of the interview pointed out the many many many ways in which WND purposely misleads its readers and fails to retract their "misinformation?" Kentucky Klown is fully aware that Farah was hedging his words by the normal birfoon tactic of "B-b-but they do it too."

Credible news sources retract and correct their mistakes.

Last WND retraction -- 2006.

You've finally admitted that Farah said those words, Klown Kar. Now it's time to go on and put them in context.

I have faith you can do that in another 3 or 4 years.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#122785 Nov 3, 2012
loose cannon wrote:
Punishment.
"As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hand. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty. Wise."
Qur'an 5:38
At least in this case, seems like equal opportunity amputations. I suggest off with your sole typing finger as punishment for your inane posts.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#122786 Nov 3, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
#120,299<quoted text>
Sadly, the simpletons who lack education make grave mistakes that even the illiterate and uneducated immigrants know enough to avoid.
The unsophisticated and naive whose fantasy world is derived from infomercials about real estate fail to know some of the most elementary principles of real estate.
1. The great one has his holdings in an S corp., so that s/he can "take all the deductions." But lacking education s/he doesn't know that
“(A) Termination
“(i) In general An [error in original] election under subsection (a) shall be terminated whenever the corporation—
“(II) has gross receipts for each of such taxable years more than 25 percent of which are passive investment income.”
==
“(C) Passive investment income defined
“(i) In general Except [error in original] as otherwise provided in this subparagraph, the term “passive investment income” means gross receipts derived from royalties, RENTS, dividends, interest, and annuities.”[Citation omitted as too obvious to any knowledgeable real estate player.]
2. Based on the poster's own description of her/his very successful forays into the world of real estate, s/he reveals unwittingly that s/he is a dealer and, therefore, not entitled to capital gain treatment on ANY her/his real estate transactions.
==
Perhaps the unsophisticated and naive one might have profited from a good M.S.T. or M.B.A. program at a strong academic institution such as the University of Chicago to avoid such basic and juvenile errors known to anyone who really maximizes their return through their real estate business.
Touché.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122787 Nov 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
what Howard offered, was accepted in its entirety (final language) became the law of the 14th amendment.
Are you really so stupid that you don't realize how stupid you are -- even when scholarship smacks you right in the face?
Justice Dale

United States

#122789 Nov 3, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again.
"The remarks of a single legislator, even the sponsor, are not controlling in analyzing legislative history." Chrysler Corp. v. Brown, 441 US 281, 311 (1979)
Need more?
Okay
"In construing a statute we do not consider the motives or understandings of individual legislators who cast their votes in favor of it.[Citations.] Nor do we carve an exception to this principle simply because the legislator whose motives are proffered actually authored the bill in controversy [citation]; no guarantee can issue that those who supported his proposal shared his view of its compass." California Teachers Assn. v. San Diego Comm. College Dist., 28 Cal.3d 692 , 699-700 (California 1981)(internal citation omitted)
you still can't get around the fact, aliens have never been nor ever will be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the only way to change this is through an amendment to the Constitution.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#122790 Nov 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
I think I got her goat .... again!!!
Rogue Moron, instead of making troll replies, you could simply answer this question:

Why would there be geese (of any species) in Canada right now?

You posited that snow geese are in Canada right now.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122791 Nov 3, 2012
American Lady wrote:
but It is legitimate for us to defend our own rights & those of our fellow citizens against the 'abuse of authority' within the limits of the natural law ....
Please do a great public service for the Class by telling them where they can find "natural law" written down for anyone to study.
IF you fail to point to a specific writing (or writings), you are admitting that there is NO SUCH thing a "natural law."
PLEASE, PLEASE, do not fail the Class.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#122792 Nov 3, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Remember Bladder Splatter, I asked you what the margin of error was. Can't answer huh? Figures. Stool.
LOL, birfoon circular lies go nowhere.

You asked and I checked and verified. No need to move the goal posts and pretend you asked for something else.

I however have been asking you very specific question which you are too dumb to answer.

Instead you reply like a child. Typical birfoon behaviour.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#122793 Nov 3, 2012
Guru wrote:
obama says "vote for revenge!"...
Mitt says "vote for love of country!"
...there is a huge difference between a real President and obama.
You do read what you imagine, don't you? For your brain (loosen your belt), Obama said to the crowd not to boo Romney, which is very civil and something that is foreign to you, and "vote for revenge" is like saying "the best revenge is to score a goal". Why oh why does everything have to be explained to you? How it must suck...never mind.

Any comments on the Fiat move farce and outright lies and fabrications from the Romney camp or just more profantiy seeing as you no answer?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122794 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“More pointedly, we are disappointed in the tone of Obama’s relentless insinuations that wealthy Americans refuse to pay their fair share. That tone is divisive and damaging for the nation and for our economy. It creates villains and victims, and unfairly so.”
– The Daily Herald, Chicago
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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122795 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Nationally, the one thing that is needed above anything else is job creation. Yet, the president’s economic proposal is to raise taxes on the job-creating class. Why ever would you raise taxes on anyone when real unemployment is around 15 percent? That defies all economic theories. Let’s face it: Romney is more of a businessman than a politician. You can resent his wealth all you want, but he has a proven record as a turnaround artist.”
–The Daily Tribune, Royal Oak, MI
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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122796 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Four years ago, the editorial board’s willingness to change horses in the middle of a churning river led us to call for voters to break the Republican hold on the White House and try a Democrat with a fresh spark. Today, it leads the editorial board to urge voters to say “enough” to a Democratic administration whose sincere best has turned out disappointing, and install a seasoned leader with a record of fixing problems.”
–Long Beach Press-Telegram
Could California be a sleeper state for the Republicans?
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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122797 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Four years ago, we recommended Barack Obama be elected. He offered himself as someone who could bridge the wide chasm between Democrats and Republicans. However, after four years, the situation has worsened.”
–Pensacola News Journal
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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122798 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Mr. Obama may have great ideas, but if he can’t get them through Congress — and there’s no reason to think anything on that account will change after Nov. 6 — they are worthless.”
–The Reporter
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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122799 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Class warfare might be a successful strategy for cobbling together 270 electoral votes. But it’s not the way to unite a divided nation. The president comes to town on a Monday, takes our money, shakes our hands and tells us how much he values the CEOs and innovators of New York. And then on Tuesday, he turns around and refers to business leaders as fat cat bankers whose success was created by the sweat of others. That’s not a friend. That’s not a leader. That’s a politician.”
–The New York Observer
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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122800 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Instead of following through on his hope-and-change message, Obama keeps telling us the limits of hope and change.”
–Pasadena Star-News
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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122801 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“In 2008, an unproven Obama promised things would turn out differently with him in charge.“Change we can believe in” is how he put it. Four years later we realize it was all made up.”
–Fitchburg Sentinel & Enterprise
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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#122802 Nov 3, 2012
#122,484
Real Change is Coming wrote:
CHANGE! See the 28 Large Newspapers That Endorsed Obama Last Election and Are Now Endorsing Romney
Real Change is Coming wrote:
“Sure, funding for public broadcasting is an insignificant part of the budget, but if Obama isn’t even willing to cut one one-hundreth of 1 percent of federal spending for something that is non-vital to America, then the president is not serious about reducing spending at all.
If Obama is not serious about that, he is the wrong person for the job.”
–The Joplin Globe
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