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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#122586 Nov 2, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>your first sentence screwed you, only citizens are subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. See, 14t Citizenship Clause.
It may seem that way if you have a serious cognitive deficit.

Play Justice Dale seems to believe that the 14th Amendment states “all persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States are citizens” without any other limitations.

Was he kicked in the head by a horse when he was a child?
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone who is in the USA other than foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).
“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)
"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established." (US Supreme Court ruling in the Wong Kim Ark case.)
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#122587 Nov 2, 2012
Real Change is Coming wrote:
<quoted text>
That make NO SENSE!
...the reason for this thread is because they totally outed obama's fraudulent and amateurishly forged birth certificate, Selective Service card that was federal fraud with jail time, his SS# which is a stolen nu8mber which doesn't pass E-verify, and several other things- all Federal crimes. WND ran that spearhead, and law enforcement officers nailed it beyond any doubt whatsoever in over 1,200 forensic tests, and gave it to Congress, and showed every bit of it on live TV.. That goes for several other countries' investigators as well. They concur. So does Bill Clinton, and Hillary. In fact,Bill Clinton is the original birther and is the father of the movement by his statements that obama is a foreign national, not qualified to be the POTUS.

You have a fraud in the WH, born in Kenya, and used fraud to get in office, then covered it up, just like he did in Benghazi, which is treason. That is all this guy has. And that is all he has to keep him out of a Federal Penitentiary. If you think for a second that he will get in office again- think again. He knows he is out, and his new $35M home is in escrow in Hawaii, scheduled to close in early JANUARY, 2013 by his supporters.

3 days left. Then you will have a new POTUS.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#122588 Nov 2, 2012
Real Change is Coming wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words, you are confused, but we already knew that.
There is NO CONTROVERSY with Mitt Romney, IDIOT!
Obama could have had 5 Million of Trump's dollars to give to the Hurricane's victims, but he wouldn't show the records that will prove he is a pResidential fraud.
I think this proves beyond a doubt that Obama does not care about the poor and downtrodden.
Only 4 more days till Obama gets his pink slip.
There is exactly as much controversy over Mitt Romney's college and graduate school grades as about Obama's college and graduate school grades.

Trump could have given the $5 million to charity himself, but he didn't. Or he could have offered the $5 million to Romney to release his grades, and if you think that Romney really cared about the poor, then Romney would have released the grades and the poor would have gotten the $5 million. Or he could have offered the $5 million to both of them, which would have given him a 50% chance perhaps that one of them would have showed the grades, or if both of them did, then the opportunity to give $10 million to charity.

BUT Trump did not do that. He made an offer only to Obama, who just happens to be the first racially mixed president of the USA, for his grades and no offer to his opponent for the job, who just happens to be white. And YOU think that it would be a good idea for Obama to honor that kind of an offer.

Well, there are as serious offers being made to Trump right now. One of them offers $1 million to charity if he shaves his head. Another offers $1 million if he can "dip his balls" in Trump's mouth. Both are insulting, deliberately, but then the offer of $5 million for the grades of the first racially mixed president of the USA is also insulting. IF Trump had been smart enough to make the same offer to both candidates, that might be viewed differently. But he is not smart.

Re not knowing who will win in Ohio. A lot of people do not know who will win in Ohio.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#122589 Nov 2, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
"Although the congressional debate concerning § 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment was limited, that debate clearly confirms the understanding that the phrase "within its jurisdiction" was intended in a broad sense to offer the guarantee of equal protection to ALL within a State's boundaries, and to all upon whom the State would impose the obligations of its laws. Indeed, it appears from those debates that Congress, by using the phrase "person within its jurisdiction," sought expressly to ensure that the equal protection of the laws was provided to the ALIEN POPULATION. Representative Bingham reported to the House the draft resolution of the Joint Committee of Fifteen on Reconstruction (H. R. 63) that was to become the Fourteenth Amendment.[13] Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess., 1033 (1866)."
Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 214 (1982)(emphasis added)
Need More? Okay
"The Amendment [14th], in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of ALL OTHER PERSONS, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. EVERY CITIZEN OR SUBJECT OF ANOTHER COUNTRY, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION, OF THE UNITED STATES. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke, in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle." United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 693 (1898))(emphasis added)
Question: what is your problem?
The Play Justice is not working with a full deck.

He reads "If (A or B) and C, then D" as "All C are D" and "All D are C."

He's obviously got a few loose screws.
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>your first sentence screwed you, only citizens are subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. See, 14t Citizenship Clause.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#122590 Nov 2, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
BirfoonBoy doesn't know what he thinks.
<quoted text>
"In the first section of the act of Congress approved March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. at Large, 102), it is enacted:
‘That any alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and UNDER THE JURISDICTION of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof.’"
Grow up.
<quoted text>
You should grow up. This is completely irrelevant. The Congress which drafted and adopted the 14th Amendment were very explicit as to what they meant by the term- JURISDICTION.

An Amendment is no different than any other contract, it requires a "meeting of the minds", this process occurs through the Congressional and State ratification debates. At that time the terms are hashed out, and an, if ratified an agreement is reached as to the terms. Those terms cannot change until such time as there is another Amendment.

So in this case, it matters not how the term Jurisdiction was used in 1790, it only matters how it was used in 1868.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#122591 Nov 2, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You may be right, but you could be wrong too. My point is that it is certainly NOT CERTAIN that Romney will win Ohio.
OHIO should be Romney's. Very close, but others there say OHIO is a Republican state, and understands what is at stake, and know Mitt will help them more than obama ever could. We will see...but it looks good for Romney at this point to me.

Caveat, those electronic voting machines that keep coming up obama when you hit Romney. That is a great concern to me. I have zero trust in anything electronic like this.
headlines

AOL

#122592 Nov 2, 2012
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****Hurricane SANDY Judgment on Wash DC - NY

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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#122593 Nov 2, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Great thing about a bottom dweller like you is I don't even have to make anything up. You are sooooo out there, warts and all.
Very lame. Sad actually. Not a lick of humor in this boi. stool
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#122594 Nov 2, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
100 lashes.
One bullet.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#122595 Nov 2, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
It may seem that way if you have a serious cognitive deficit.
Play Justice Dale seems to believe that the 14th Amendment states “all persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States are citizens” without any other limitations.
Was he kicked in the head by a horse when he was a child?
<quoted text>
You've been proven wrong over and over slopuke. Just aren't man enough to admit it huh? runny stool
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#122597 Nov 2, 2012
Osambo should be impeached for treason.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/02/ex...
Jacques Ottawa

Herndon, VA

#122598 Nov 2, 2012
What am I doing here? This is so confusing.
Guru

Brooklyn, NY

#122599 Nov 2, 2012
I don't know my azz from a hole in the ground.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#122600 Nov 2, 2012
Guru wrote:
just reported....electronic voting machines are registering votes for obama if you hit Romney now in several swing states...never the other way around...
radio...
You got that backwards. The report was that the voting machines in those states, mainly OHIO are from a company that was invested in by TRIG ROMNEY. Clean out you're effin' ears. BTW, see Florida 2000. The Republicans have no right to talk about election stealing.

Of course, I think it's just another scare tactic and won't have anything to do with the actual election.
KCS

Burbank, CA

#122601 Nov 2, 2012
LRS wrote:
Osambo should be impeached for treason.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/02/ex...
Bilbo from la believes FAUX NEWS. That's rich.
ARGUING with IDIOTS

Chico, CA

#122602 Nov 2, 2012
KCS wrote:
<quoted text>Bilbo from la believes FAUX NEWS. That's rich.
You mean there was no hurricane?
KCS

Burbank, CA

#122603 Nov 2, 2012
Guru wrote:
<quoted text>
...the reason for this thread is because they totally outed obama's fraudulent and amateurishly forged birth certificate, Selective Service card that was federal fraud with jail time, his SS# which is a stolen nu8mber which doesn't pass E-verify, and several other things- all Federal crimes. WND ran that spearhead, and law enforcement officers nailed it beyond any doubt whatsoever in over 1,200 forensic tests, and gave it to Congress, and showed every bit of it on live TV.. That goes for several other countries' investigators as well. They concur. So does Bill Clinton, and Hillary. In fact,Bill Clinton is the original birther and is the father of the movement by his statements that obama is a foreign national, not qualified to be the POTUS.
You have a fraud in the WH, born in Kenya, and used fraud to get in office, then covered it up, just like he did in Benghazi, which is treason. That is all this guy has. And that is all he has to keep him out of a Federal Penitentiary. If you think for a second that he will get in office again- think again. He knows he is out, and his new $35M home is in escrow in Hawaii, scheduled to close in early JANUARY, 2013 by his supporters.
3 days left. Then you will have a new POTUS.
Ok slow your roll Orly Taitz. You have issues way worse then Obama being President.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#122604 Nov 2, 2012
KCS wrote:
<quoted text>Ok slow your roll Orly Taitz. You have issues way worse then Obama being President.
...let's see if you can say that on Nov 7th.
LWill

Winston Salem, NC

#122605 Nov 2, 2012
This has to be one of the dumbest arguments in the world. This would have obviously been an issue the first time he ran.
http://www.factswithoutpolitics.com/in-search...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#122606 Nov 2, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is exactly as much controversy over Mitt Romney's college and graduate school grades as about Obama's college and graduate school grades.
Trump could have given the $5 million to charity himself, but he didn't. Or he could have offered the $5 million to Romney to release his grades, and if you think that Romney really cared about the poor, then Romney would have released the grades and the poor would have gotten the $5 million. Or he could have offered the $5 million to both of them, which would have given him a 50% chance perhaps that one of them would have showed the grades, or if both of them did, then the opportunity to give $10 million to charity.
BUT Trump did not do that. He made an offer only to Obama, who just happens to be the first racially mixed president of the USA, for his grades and no offer to his opponent for the job, who just happens to be white. And YOU think that it would be a good idea for Obama to honor that kind of an offer.
Well, there are as serious offers being made to Trump right now. One of them offers $1 million to charity if he shaves his head. Another offers $1 million if he can "dip his balls" in Trump's mouth. Both are insulting, deliberately, but then the offer of $5 million for the grades of the first racially mixed president of the USA is also insulting. IF Trump had been smart enough to make the same offer to both candidates, that might be viewed differently. But he is not smart.
Re not knowing who will win in Ohio. A lot of people do not know who will win in Ohio.
There's just no other way to put it.....you're stupid!

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