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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#122569 Nov 2, 2012
lol!!!!!!!!!!

hahahahaa!!!1 oh lordy...can't stop laughing!!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#122570 Nov 2, 2012
Guru wrote:
<quoted text>
the cnn poll is overweighting dems by 8% in Ohio based on the 2008 models of turnout. That doesn't take into account the R surge now and his base turning on him big time. Ohio is Romney's now...
I didnt look at the other one...
cnn is a leftist organization big time. I don't even watch them anymore since Ted Turner left.
You may be right, but you could be wrong too. My point is that it is certainly NOT CERTAIN that Romney will win Ohio.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#122571 Nov 2, 2012
@rupertmurdoch: Christie, while thanking O, must re- declare for Romney, or take blame for next four dire years.
Lololololololololol looking for a scapegoat already.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#122572 Nov 2, 2012
Frank and Winnie S wrote:
...where is "Terri the Tranny Granny Tuna" lady that the Guru took apart in here? She has suddenly disappeared!
Looks like she is still stumped by the Guru's royal embarrassing her on everything financial!
She couldn't answer any of his questions, made up everything, used out of context cut and pastes, made no sense at all, could not give any real concrete examples to save her miserable life, even though he did!
Guru took her apart better than anyone else inhere. She showed she has nothing to offer, and that she went to some Salavation Army college in the middle of nowhere-lol!
We were really getting into it when she cut out and vanished.
YOU GO GURU! Keep schooling her for us! We have your back!
thankyou!
:))
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#122575 Nov 2, 2012
Goober wrote:
...you can't make this shit up!
http://www.wnd.com/
"We publish some misinformation." Joe Farah, owner and editor-in-chief of WND

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#122576 Nov 2, 2012
Penalty.

"Islam's philosophy with respect to the spread of misconduct is prevention. Part of the prevention mechanism is severe penalty."

In the name of Allah the Merciful the Compassionate
Institute of Arabic and Islamic Studies

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#122577 Nov 2, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>do you know the difference between "under" and "subject to"?
Check it out.
Looks like Dale needs to have his medication adjusted.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
BirfoonBoy: "Sorry states stopped creating citizens, Apr 1866."
That's news?
Wowee-Zowee, state citizenship became derivative! And aliens in this country were before, and after April, 1866, under the jurisdiction of the United States. Play Law doesn't count.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#122578 Nov 2, 2012
DICK wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe he just got tired to being asked the same question, dummy.
Maybe the public is getting tired of him not answering. Dick? Ha ha.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#122579 Nov 2, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Aliens have never been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", this is only a status held by citizens.
"All persons born or naturalized in the US and "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" are citizens." Who are subject to the jurisdiction, thereof?
BirfoonBoy doesn't know what he thinks.
Play Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>sorry, individual states made citizens in 1790, Apr 1866 changed that,
"In the first section of the act of Congress approved March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. at Large, 102), it is enacted:
‘That any alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and UNDER THE JURISDICTION of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof.’"
Grow up.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
BirfoonBoy: "this is plainly stated in the 14th amendment"

Perhaps if you have a special decoder ring from a box of cereal.

Sorry, loser, but ordinary aliens in the US were just as subject to the jurisdiction of the United States before the CRA and 14th amendment as after.

BTW, the 14th Amendment does not expressly define which persons are or are not under the jurisdiction of the United States. Please learn the English language. There is nothing in the amendment that supports the Play Law fantasy that ordinary aliens in the US are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Grow up!
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#122580 Nov 2, 2012
Real Change is Coming wrote:
<quoted text>
How many days has it been for the fraud Obama?
Another moniker for the 50-time banned filthy mouth.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#122581 Nov 2, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
But, but, but Colon Powell endorsed him. Ya know, the same Maj Colon Powell that tried to cover up the My Lai Massacre!
Didn't you say, here, on this very forum, as late as 10 days ago, that Colin Powell was not endorsing Obama? What happened? You alwaus go on and on about Powell's MyLai coverup, why, you make it seem worse than Lt Calley's role in MyLai.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#122582 Nov 2, 2012
Real Change is Coming wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama could have had 5 Million of Trump's dollars to give to the Hurricane's victims, but he wouldn't show the records that will prove he is a pResidential fraud.
I think this proves beyond a doubt that Obama does not care about the poor and downtrodden.
What a phoney you are. Why didn't Trump offer Romney the same amount to show his income tax returns of the last 10 years?
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#122583 Nov 2, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You just make crap up, don't ya? Yep.
Great thing about a bottom dweller like you is I don't even have to make anything up. You are sooooo out there, warts and all.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#122584 Nov 2, 2012
Play Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Aliens have never been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", this is only a status held by citizens.
"All persons born or naturalized in the US and "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" are citizens." Who are subject to the jurisdiction, thereof?
Somehow he seems to believe that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States" means "all persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States are citizens."

Bizarre.

Play Justice Dale is not working with a full deck.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#122585 Nov 2, 2012
loose cannon wrote:
Penalty.
"Islam's philosophy with respect to the spread of misconduct is prevention. Part of the prevention mechanism is severe penalty."
In the name of Allah the Merciful the Compassionate
Institute of Arabic and Islamic Studies
100 lashes.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#122586 Nov 2, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>your first sentence screwed you, only citizens are subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. See, 14t Citizenship Clause.
It may seem that way if you have a serious cognitive deficit.

Play Justice Dale seems to believe that the 14th Amendment states “all persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States are citizens” without any other limitations.

Was he kicked in the head by a horse when he was a child?
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone who is in the USA other than foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).
“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)
"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established." (US Supreme Court ruling in the Wong Kim Ark case.)
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#122587 Nov 2, 2012
Real Change is Coming wrote:
<quoted text>
That make NO SENSE!
...the reason for this thread is because they totally outed obama's fraudulent and amateurishly forged birth certificate, Selective Service card that was federal fraud with jail time, his SS# which is a stolen nu8mber which doesn't pass E-verify, and several other things- all Federal crimes. WND ran that spearhead, and law enforcement officers nailed it beyond any doubt whatsoever in over 1,200 forensic tests, and gave it to Congress, and showed every bit of it on live TV.. That goes for several other countries' investigators as well. They concur. So does Bill Clinton, and Hillary. In fact,Bill Clinton is the original birther and is the father of the movement by his statements that obama is a foreign national, not qualified to be the POTUS.

You have a fraud in the WH, born in Kenya, and used fraud to get in office, then covered it up, just like he did in Benghazi, which is treason. That is all this guy has. And that is all he has to keep him out of a Federal Penitentiary. If you think for a second that he will get in office again- think again. He knows he is out, and his new $35M home is in escrow in Hawaii, scheduled to close in early JANUARY, 2013 by his supporters.

3 days left. Then you will have a new POTUS.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#122588 Nov 2, 2012
Real Change is Coming wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words, you are confused, but we already knew that.
There is NO CONTROVERSY with Mitt Romney, IDIOT!
Obama could have had 5 Million of Trump's dollars to give to the Hurricane's victims, but he wouldn't show the records that will prove he is a pResidential fraud.
I think this proves beyond a doubt that Obama does not care about the poor and downtrodden.
Only 4 more days till Obama gets his pink slip.
There is exactly as much controversy over Mitt Romney's college and graduate school grades as about Obama's college and graduate school grades.

Trump could have given the $5 million to charity himself, but he didn't. Or he could have offered the $5 million to Romney to release his grades, and if you think that Romney really cared about the poor, then Romney would have released the grades and the poor would have gotten the $5 million. Or he could have offered the $5 million to both of them, which would have given him a 50% chance perhaps that one of them would have showed the grades, or if both of them did, then the opportunity to give $10 million to charity.

BUT Trump did not do that. He made an offer only to Obama, who just happens to be the first racially mixed president of the USA, for his grades and no offer to his opponent for the job, who just happens to be white. And YOU think that it would be a good idea for Obama to honor that kind of an offer.

Well, there are as serious offers being made to Trump right now. One of them offers $1 million to charity if he shaves his head. Another offers $1 million if he can "dip his balls" in Trump's mouth. Both are insulting, deliberately, but then the offer of $5 million for the grades of the first racially mixed president of the USA is also insulting. IF Trump had been smart enough to make the same offer to both candidates, that might be viewed differently. But he is not smart.

Re not knowing who will win in Ohio. A lot of people do not know who will win in Ohio.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#122589 Nov 2, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
"Although the congressional debate concerning § 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment was limited, that debate clearly confirms the understanding that the phrase "within its jurisdiction" was intended in a broad sense to offer the guarantee of equal protection to ALL within a State's boundaries, and to all upon whom the State would impose the obligations of its laws. Indeed, it appears from those debates that Congress, by using the phrase "person within its jurisdiction," sought expressly to ensure that the equal protection of the laws was provided to the ALIEN POPULATION. Representative Bingham reported to the House the draft resolution of the Joint Committee of Fifteen on Reconstruction (H. R. 63) that was to become the Fourteenth Amendment.[13] Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess., 1033 (1866)."
Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 214 (1982)(emphasis added)
Need More? Okay
"The Amendment [14th], in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of ALL OTHER PERSONS, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. EVERY CITIZEN OR SUBJECT OF ANOTHER COUNTRY, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION, OF THE UNITED STATES. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke, in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle." United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 693 (1898))(emphasis added)
Question: what is your problem?
The Play Justice is not working with a full deck.

He reads "If (A or B) and C, then D" as "All C are D" and "All D are C."

He's obviously got a few loose screws.
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>your first sentence screwed you, only citizens are subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. See, 14t Citizenship Clause.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#122590 Nov 2, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
BirfoonBoy doesn't know what he thinks.
<quoted text>
"In the first section of the act of Congress approved March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. at Large, 102), it is enacted:
‘That any alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and UNDER THE JURISDICTION of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof.’"
Grow up.
<quoted text>
You should grow up. This is completely irrelevant. The Congress which drafted and adopted the 14th Amendment were very explicit as to what they meant by the term- JURISDICTION.

An Amendment is no different than any other contract, it requires a "meeting of the minds", this process occurs through the Congressional and State ratification debates. At that time the terms are hashed out, and an, if ratified an agreement is reached as to the terms. Those terms cannot change until such time as there is another Amendment.

So in this case, it matters not how the term Jurisdiction was used in 1790, it only matters how it was used in 1868.

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