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Grand Birther

Brooklyn, NY

#121796 Oct 31, 2012
Fan boy irony wrote:
<quoted text>
He tells the stories on the Birther thread. You are here at all hours to give your summary of the man and his stories. On the Birther thread.
Any sane observer would call what you have "working class white man envy".
Laughable.
Lol, when this loser writes "all hours" s/he of course means "about once a day."

As to the rest of this loser's post, just plain lol.

“only High IQs need apply”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#121797 Oct 31, 2012
Agreed ^^^^
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#121798 Oct 31, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Like the Bladder Spill actually knows anything! Typical of a DIMwit though. Someone with years and years of experience makes a statement based on that experience and the DIMs dismiss it as some deep seated resentment about whatever. How stupid can they possibly be? DIMs just keep expanding that limit. Good job flappers, you're setting new records daily for stupidity.
Speaking of records for stupidity, let's disqualify any applicant for a private and, especially, commercial pilot's licence who has more than a high school diploma. Rogue fails to mention the educated ones who are good and careful pilots and the minimally-educated ones who could not even pass the written exam, much less fly a plane.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#121799 Oct 31, 2012
LRS wrote:
Let's see if Slopuke can understand this. 5 to 1 says he can't! LMAO
Many make the silly mistake of confusing temporary allegiance to a countries laws under the law of nations with that of allegiance to a nation. In school we pledge allegiance to the flag and the “Republic for which it stands,” not pledge our allegiance to local traffic laws. No one during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries confused owing allegiance to the laws with that of owing allegiance to a nation.
“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”–James Madison

Many make the idiotic mistake of conflating allegiance, jurisdiction, and citizenship, the "Pledge of Allegiance" notwithstanding.

A person born in the US, even of ordinary alien parents, owes immediate allegiance to the United States and is bound by the tie of natural allegiance and is a natural born citizen. Such a person, born in the US under the jurisdiction of the United States, is born a citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

The court in Gardner v. Ward was wrong?
Garder v. Ward, 2 Mass. 244 (1805)
“The doctrine of the common law is that every man born within its jurisdiction is a subject of the sovereign of the country where he is born, and allegiance is not personal to the sovereign in the extent that has been contended for; it is due to him in his political capacity of sovereign of the territory where the person owing the allegiance as born.

Zephaniah Swift was wrong?
“that a man born within the jurisdiction of the common law is a citizen of the country wherein he is born. By this circumstance of his birth, he is subjected to the duty of allegiance which is claimed and enforced by the sovereign of his native land, and becomes reciprocally entitled to the protection of that sovereign, and to the other rights and advantages which are included in the term ‘citizenship.’” A System of the Laws of the State of Connecticut: Zephaniah Swift, In Six Book, pg. 163,167 (1795).

The high court of Kentucky was wrong in 1822?

Amy v. Smith, 11 Ky. 326, 340 (Ky. 1822)
“The country where one is born, how accidental soever his birth in that place may have been, and although his parents belong to another country, is that to which he owes allegiance. Hence the expression natural born subject or citizen, & all the relations thereout growing. To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.”

The Oregon District Court was wrong?
Ex parte Chin King 13 Sawyer 333 (Oregon District June 25, 1888).“By the common law, a child born within the allegiance —the jurisdiction—of the United States, is born a subject or citizen thereof, without reference to the political status or condition of its parents.”

Supreme Court Justice Noah H. Swayne was wrong, along with the concurring judges in the appellate court of Kentucky?

“All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.… We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States.” U. S. v. Rhodes, 1 Abb.U.S. 28, 1 Am. Law T. Rep. U.S. Cts. 22, 7 Am. Law Reg.(N.S.) 233, 27 F.Cas. 785, No. 16,151 (C.C.D.Ky. 1866)

Grow up!
Grand Birther

Brooklyn, NY

#121800 Oct 31, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And Obama .... doesn't?!?
<quoted text>
I don't believe in Bible Codes and Einsteins Theory of Relativity backs up the fact that the Earth is about 8,600 years old (st the same time, from Earth's perspective,it is about 4.5 Billion years old.
And didn't someone call me "whitey" this morning? Yet I have never called anyone a racial name!
And it sounds you are very worried about the election and by this time next week we will know who won...... and who lost!
Rogue Moron, I have no doubt that your understanding of relativity is based on what you've read on a cereal box.

Not only are you wrong, you're way wrong.

I love how you just add unrelated crap in when you've failed miserably. You're a coward who cannot write what he believes in because you know is wrong and repulsive.

Further, you have yet to explain what a Romney win would have to do with birfers. Other than voting Republican as they would have anyway, what influence on the election have birfers had?

Please reply only with verifiable facts from primary sources. Anything else is an admission that you're talking out your grandma's arse.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#121801 Oct 31, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the last line jacqazz. That's not criticizing? You're FOS jacqazz. Airboat ride? LMAO
Nope, not criticising at all. Stating a fact is what it is. I can't help it if that's what you are. Oh, and you just don't measure up. You do have resilience, though, you keep coming back for more. Yes,(a fact, not criticism) how it must suck to be you.
Grand Birther

Brooklyn, NY

#121802 Oct 31, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Like the Bladder Spill actually knows anything! Typical of a DIMwit though. Someone with years and years of experience makes a statement based on that experience and the DIMs dismiss it as some deep seated resentment about whatever. How stupid can they possibly be? DIMs just keep expanding that limit. Good job flappers, you're setting new records daily for stupidity.
Rogue Moron's years of experience amount to jack squat when his prejudices cloud his judgement.

That is common for all birfoons such as yourself and Rogue Moron.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#121803 Oct 31, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
Delete keyedup from my post. Rest is fine. Sorry 'bout that.
you don't need to correct anything....nobody cares what you think or wrote.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#121805 Oct 31, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, I'm saying you don't understand it.
You're saying the Congress, the States, the Courts, legal scholars, and the people didn't understand the 14th Amendment. What happened to all those citizens allegedly disenfranchised according to Play Law construction of the 14th?

Cat got your tongue?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
You're saying the Congress, the States, the Courts, legal scholars, and the people didn't understand the 14th Amendment. What happened to all those citizens allegedly disenfranchised according to Play Law construction of the 14th?
Grand Birther

Brooklyn, NY

#121806 Oct 31, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Rogue Moron fails to see the irony in his egotistical dismissal of other pilots.
Rogue Moron is a pilot and a truck driver. If only he could admit that he harbours a deep-seated resentment of those smarter and more successful than him, pages and pages and pages and pages of this thread would not have been unnecessarily wasted.
<quoted text>
No, what is sad is that people think just because they have money, the can do what ever they want. Did you know Arnold Palmer has over 18,000 flying hours??? And both Harrison Ford and John Travolta are accomplished aviators.
The trick for anything that is dangerous is to know your limits and the limits of you machine!!! After that, it becomes a calculated risk.
Do you remember Gov. Mel Carnahan from MO who was running for the U.S. Senate in 2000. His son was flying when he had a relatively minor instrument malfunction.
Now, try and fly a Chinook on a partial instrument panel with both SAS's off line in moderate turbulence .... for an hour!!! Yes, I have done that in training just to be ready.
In Korea I flew a Chinook fromthe DMZ back to base with one engine on emergency trim and both SAS's off line. Yes, you work your butt off but a well trained pilot can handle it.
Oh, and I have done this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =7po3JlgWhvQXX&feature=fvw rel
But what you makes you feel good is when they post the following day's missions and the enlisted crew sees who their pilots will be and you hear a remark, "Great, I have Mr. Slick/Sooth as my pilot" or, "Oh sh*t, I have captain azz-hole"! The crew in the back knows who is not only a good pilot, but who will look after them.
Wow, a rambling off topic reply.

Shocking!
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#121807 Oct 31, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a forum. Of course no one or hardly anyone gives a damn what I think. The problem here is that YOU think anyone gives a damn about what you think. Why, you even think that anyone is impressed with your bullying, your profanity, and failure to reply when backed against the wall, which is pretty much all the time. How it must suck to be a defeated know-nothing lowly birther.
<quoted text>
Please point out where, in the above post, I mentioned the words "criticise" or "hate".
As to criticism, my stating that : "Why, you even think that anyone is impressed with your bullying, your profanity, and failure to reply when backed against the wall, which is pretty much all the time." was not criticism nor hate. I was stating a FACT. The truth. If you can't handle the truth, that is your problem, not mine. Do you understand now?
lol....it is clear that you are in MAJOR PANIC MODE NOW as obama sags in the polls. The more obama tanks, the louder you get in here with nothing but bigotry and defensiveness. You need to stop taking those drugs you burnout.

Keep it up, it will totally define you in 5 days. The psycho wards are open 24/7. They have a padded cell just for you and obama.
http://images3.cinema.de/imedia/2388/2272388,...
Kalibaba Obama

Canyon Country, CA

#121808 Oct 31, 2012
Jock from nowhere. This is you. Study it.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_4_DGOk4SWI/T3-jjyz...
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#121809 Oct 31, 2012
Kalibaba Obama wrote:
Jock from nowhere. This is you. Study it.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_4_DGOk4SWI/T3-jjyz...
This is a new low for you. Oops, I take that back. A new high. For you that is.

How you must have scoured the web to find that, your dirty little mind guiding you all the way. Yet, you could not locate anything that would entertain your insignificant little mind. So instead we get a pic of YOU looking for your brain. How it must suck to come up with something like that. What would your friend Mitt think of that? How about your bosom buddy American err hmm "christian" lady? Or all-American Sioux? You call me an atheist, and coming from you, it's a compliment indeed. YOU call yourself a christian. What would you parish priest or minister think of that pic? Would you show it to him or her? If I had a parish priest or a minister, I could show him/her anything I write here. Do you see? Do you get it?

Yes, it must be terribly lonely to be you, ostracized, looked away from, yes, let's tie that bell around your neck, so we can flee when we hear you coming.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#121811 Oct 31, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>not once did Howard refer to English common law, it was Natural Law and National Law (Civil Rights Act), which he placed into the Constitution, which prevented it from being overturned. The Civil Rights Act of 1866, is just as good today as it was then.
But there were other leaders besides Howard:

“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).

“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)

And Howard himself indicates that the place of birth is what makes a US citizen at birth.

“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

Moreover, while Howard may not say that the source is the common law, he does indicate that jurisdiction refers to the place of birth:

"They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

But the bottom line is that the US Supreme Court decided that the meaning of jurisdiction in the 14th amendment refers to the territory of the USA, and it is the US Supreme Court that has the final say. Recently the US Supreme Court turned down an appeal of a court ruling in Georgia that ruled that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen. What is the effect of rejecting the appeal? It is that the ruling in Georgia stands.
EndObama

Delavan, WI

#121812 Oct 31, 2012
SHEEPLE Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
The White House has the lame-stream media tell all of their LIES.
Obama NEVER tells the truth.
Lying is his native-tongue.
Unable To get straight answers from my political leaders I turn to the public forum to submit my questions.
1. Why do respected patriots Alan Keyes, Pat Boone, Donald Trump and Sheriff Joe Arpaio question the birthplace and citizenship of their President?
2. Why would the President be less than forthcoming in this matter?
3. Exactly when was it made legal for the son of a foreigner to become President of the United States?
My contention is a crafty worldwide fraternity put this mystery-man in office to further their global agenda.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#121815 Oct 31, 2012
EndObama wrote:
<quoted text>Lying is his native-tongue.
Unable To get straight answers from my political leaders I turn to the public forum to submit my questions.
3. Exactly when was it made legal for the son of a foreigner to become President of the United States?
My contention is a crafty worldwide fraternity put this mystery-man in office to further their global agenda.
George Washington was the son of British subjects.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#121816 Oct 31, 2012
EndObama wrote:
<quoted text>Lying is his native-tongue.
Unable To get straight answers from my political leaders I turn to the public forum to submit my questions.
1. Why do respected patriots Alan Keyes, Pat Boone, Donald Trump and Sheriff Joe Arpaio question the birthplace and citizenship of their President?
2. Why would the President be less than forthcoming in this matter?
3. Exactly when was it made legal for the son of a foreigner to become President of the United States?
My contention is a crafty worldwide fraternity put this mystery-man in office to further their global agenda.
In 5 days he will be out. People have had it with him. They are smart, and will let him take himself out with his lies. They will not take on the bc now as he is out anyway. After the election that goes to court and he cannot do one damn thing then.

No, they played it right. Now there will be no riots. obama is out, the polls are so whacked it is amazing. And the Repubs and Independents are all going to show up in 5 days to make a huge show of how much they dislike obama and his lies, forgeries, incompetence, and coverups. His whole life is a coverup, just like Benghazi.

It looks like Romney is taking Ohio now, taking the independents with him and the undecideds as well. It is just starting to break to Romney...just reported
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#121817 Oct 31, 2012
EndObama wrote:
<quoted text>Lying is his native-tongue.
Unable To get straight answers from my political leaders I turn to the public forum to submit my questions.
1. Why do respected patriots Alan Keyes, Pat Boone, Donald Trump and Sheriff Joe Arpaio question the birthplace and citizenship of their President?
2. Why would the President be less than forthcoming in this matter?
3. Exactly when was it made legal for the son of a foreigner to become President of the United States?
My contention is a crafty worldwide fraternity put this mystery-man in office to further their global agenda.
Silly foolish you

1. Patriots? Gates, Buffet, Clooney, Redford, Penn, etc are for Obama. Are they no more patriots than the names you cited?;
2. Less than forthcoming? He presented short and long forms of his BC. Where are Romney's last 10 years' tax returns?
3. Legal, legal, as being son of a foreigner does nothing to his natural birth citizen of the United States, born in the USA from an America mother. Just like Romney, born in the USA from a Mexican father and American mother.

You haven't a clue what you are talking about. Your thoughts are fuelled by hate, nothing else.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#121818 Oct 31, 2012
As we stripped away Obama’s yearlong campaign of vilification, all the president offered us was more servings of negative ads — ads we had already dismissed as not credible. He kept doing the same thing even as it stopped working.

The result was that the presidential race reached a tipping point. Reasonable voters saw that the voice of hope and optimism and positivism was Romney while the president was only a nitpicking, quarrelsome, negative figure. The contrast does not work in Obama’s favor.

His erosion began shortly after the conventions when Indiana (10 votes) and North Carolina (15) moved to Romney (in addition to the 179 votes that states that McCain carried cast this year).

Then, in October, Obama lost the Southern swing states of Florida (29) and Virginia (13). He also lost Colorado (10), bringing his total to 255 votes.

And now, he faces the erosion of the northern swing states: Ohio (18), New Hampshire (4) and Iowa (6). Only in the union-anchored state of Nevada (9) does Obama still cling to a lead.

In the next few days, the battle will move to Pennsylvania (20), Michigan (15), Wisconsin (10) and Minnesota (16). Ahead in Pennsylvania, tied in Michigan and Wisconsin, and slightly behind in Minnesota, these new swing states look to be the battleground.

Or will the Romney momentum grow and wash into formerly safe Democratic territory in New Jersey and Oregon?

Once everyone discovers that the emperor has no clothes (or that Obama has no argument after the negative ads stopped working), the vote shift could be of historic proportions.

The impact on Senate races could be profound. Give the GOP easy pickups in Nebraska and North Dakota. Wisconsin has been a roller coaster. Once an easy win for Republican Tommy Thompson, then a likely loss as Democrat Tammy Baldwin caught up, and now Republican again, it will probably be a third pickup. Romney’s surge in Virginia is propelling George Allen to a good lead for the first time all campaign. In Montana, Republican Denny Rehberg holds and has held for some time a small lead over Democrat incumbent Jon Tester. And, in Pennsylvania, Smith has powered his campaign to a small lead over Democrat Bob Casey Jr.

The GOP now leads in these six takeaways. But it is also within easy striking distance in Ohio and Florida, where incumbents are under 50 percent and Republican challengers Connie Mack (Fla.) and Josh Mandel (Ohio) are only a few points behind. It may even be possible to entertain daydreams of Rhode Island (Barry Hinckley) and New Jersey (Joe Kyrillos) going Republican.

Republican losses? Look for a giveback in Maine and possibly in Indiana and Massachusetts. In Indiana, Republican Richard Mourdock had established a 5-point lead over Democrat Joe Donnelly. But his comments about rape knocked him back to a tie. With Romney carrying the state by 15 points, however, Mourdock could still make it. In Massachusetts, Brown has been in hand-to-hand combat with Elizabeth Warren. Down by five a few days ago, he’s now tied, but the undecided usually goes against the incumbent.

The most likely outcome? Eight GOP takeaways and two giveaways for a net gain of six. A 53-47 Senate, just like we have now, only opposite.

Barack Obama’s parting gift to the Democratic Party.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#121819 Oct 31, 2012
Guru wrote:
As we stripped away Obama’s yearlong campaign of vilification, all the president offered us was more servings ... blah, blah, and blah.
Plagiarism. Dick Morris was the source.

A middle school kid should know enough to cite the source.

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