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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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#121780 Oct 31, 2012
Rasmussen was the closest with only a 1.2% error!!!

The final Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Election 2008 showed Barack Obama leading John McCain 52% to 46%. We are pleased to ...
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#121781 Oct 31, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
This add is totally correct as confirmed by Fiat. They do plan on building Jeeps in .... China which means there will be fewer Jeeps exported from the U.S. to other countries.
Oh, the tile to this ad says that Romney lied but at no time does that ad say the Jeep is moving (all of Jeep) to China!!! Listen, vewy cawefully!!! Do not insert things that are not said!!!
Romney Continues to Tell "Jeeps to China" Lie in New Campaign Ad
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/bogus -...
It is like GE making engine parts in Europe. Rather than make the parts here in the U.S., GE moved it's tooling to Europe and hired local workers!!!
The fact is that Obama has exported a hundred times as more jobs overseas that Romney did by making new EPA and OSHA rules.
Ya know, if you Libtards are so worried about CO2, maybe you should stop breathing!
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Look, read carefully, I will take your argumentation apart seam by seam, debunk it totally. Do read please.
1. Romney lied by omission, and he knew it. rebuttal by his spokesman, as Romney does not have the courage to do so himself, he'd look silly, was lame and not worthy of anyone with a modicum of savvy. Yes, Romney simply said that Jeep was moving to China. You pounced on it. Wrong. Will make jeeps in China whilst increasing capacity and hiring new workers in the U.S. THAT is the truth, not the lie he told;
2. Are you against your big companies opening plants abroad, spreading U.S. investment overseas SO LONG AS IT DOES NOT cause labour layoffs in the U.S., as is the case? How many hundreds, thousands of U.S. companies now operating abroad and bringing in wads of dividends back home every year? I just told you that China is a huge market, and with its surrounding area of all of Asia, it would be stupid to not build the Jeeps over there AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT TAKE JOBS AWAY in the U.S., which it does not,why, it increases jobs in the U.S.;
The GE export of jet engine manufacturing was done UNDER GWB, though you tried to pass it off as under Obama. You never said you were wrong on that, noooo, pointed it out numerous time to you only to have to listen to a defeaning silence on your part. Never mind, that export produced a loss of jobs for GE workers as they downsized the U.S. operation. Same for transfer of plant making IRM machines to China. But,get it into your head, if things work out as planned, Jeep will open a plant in China, meantime increasing capacity and hiring more workers at two plants in the U.S. Have you got all that now?
I posted a link to back up my argument. Can you??? Or are you just shooting blanks again?

Since: May 10

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#121782 Oct 31, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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And Obama .... doesn't?!?
Grand Birther wrote:
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Lol, Rogue Bumpkin believes bible codes, is anti-science, a hate-filled bigot, AND. Tries to change the subject every time they come up.
Talk about cowardly. Rogue Bumpkin can't even stand up for what he believes.
Say it loud and proud, Rogue Bumpkin, or say nothing at all.
I don't believe in Bible Codes and Einsteins Theory of Relativity backs up the fact that the Earth is about 8,600 years old (st the same time, from Earth's perspective,it is about 4.5 Billion years old.
And didn't someone call me "whitey" this morning? Yet I have never called anyone a racial name!
And it sounds you are very worried about the election and by this time next week we will know who won...... and who lost!
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#121783 Oct 31, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
This coming from the person who has trouble constructing a comprehensive thought. Your grammatical errors in the post which the previous poster was replying to are but the tip of the iceberg to what are many examples of your ignorance.
I'm always willing to learn. Please kindly point out the errors and I will take heed. Also, be sufficiently intelligent to bypass the obvious typos. I do make a lot of those.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#121784 Oct 31, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
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Rogue Moron fails to see the irony in his egotistical dismissal of other pilots.
Rogue Moron is a pilot and a truck driver. If only he could admit that he harbours a deep-seated resentment of those smarter and more successful than him, pages and pages and pages and pages of this thread would not have been unnecessarily wasted.
Like the Bladder Spill actually knows anything! Typical of a DIMwit though. Someone with years and years of experience makes a statement based on that experience and the DIMs dismiss it as some deep seated resentment about whatever. How stupid can they possibly be? DIMs just keep expanding that limit. Good job flappers, you're setting new records daily for stupidity.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#121785 Oct 31, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Nope he's right again, Mobarf.
Please point to the definition of jurisdiction in the 14th Amendment. I don't have your decoder ring.
wojar wrote:
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Only if you're illiterate, schizophrenic, and a grandiose NPD twerp.
The amendment does not define jurisdiction. Thus the pre-existing definition controls, and the pre-existing definition, as indicated by usage of the term in the naturalization Act of 1790 provides that aliens are under the jurisdiction of the US while in this country.
Play Law doesn't count. Play Justices do not rule, except in their fantasy worlds.
Reverend Mikey

Alton, AL

#121786 Oct 31, 2012
Is that fat slob of a loser Davey Brown still posting here?

I might have to drop back in after Obama is reelected next week to see if that greasy terd finally had that stroke that's been building up.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#121787 Oct 31, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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This is a forum. Of course no one or hardly anyone gives a damn what I think. The problem here is that YOU think anyone gives a damn about what you think. Why, you even think that anyone is impressed with your bullying, your profanity, and failure to reply when backed against the wall, which is pretty much all the time. How it must suck to be a defeated know-nothing lowly birther.
Read the last line jacqazz. That's not criticizing? You're FOS jacqazz. Airboat ride? LMAO

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#121788 Oct 31, 2012
LRS wrote:
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I'm saying you don't understand it Mobarf. However, I'm not going to play your stupidazz, wittle, child's game of twisting words. Huh? RU on drugs? Huh? Are you on LSD? Huh? Huh? Huh? Grow up! Grow up! Grow up! LMAO at the squid. Oh, I'm sorry, I mean the Biologist (LMAO), Chemist (LMAO) and Patent Pusher (LMAO). Tadpole.
You're saying the Congress, the States, the Courts, legal scholars, and the people didn't understand the 14th Amendment. What happened to all those citizens allegedly disenfranchised according to Play Law construction of the 14th?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
So no one understood the 14th Amendment at the time it was adopted, not even the Congress that drafted and approved it and the states that ratified it?
Geez, there were thousands of people who should have been disenfranchised if, your fantasy were true, but everyone suddenly forgot about it as soon as the ink was dry?
UR in a DREAM WORLD. Last time I checked, the children of Germans born in "good old Pennsylvania" were still citizens after ratification of the 14th.
Grow up!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#121789 Oct 31, 2012
Let's see if Slopuke can understand this. 5 to 1 says he can't! LMAO

Many make the silly mistake of confusing temporary allegiance to a countries laws under the law of nations with that of allegiance to a nation. In school we pledge allegiance to the flag and the “Republic for which it stands,” not pledge our allegiance to local traffic laws. No one during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries confused owing allegiance to the laws with that of owing allegiance to a nation.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#121790 Oct 31, 2012
wojar wrote:
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You're saying the Congress, the States, the Courts, legal scholars, and the people didn't understand the 14th Amendment. What happened to all those citizens allegedly disenfranchised according to Play Law construction of the 14th?
<quoted text>
Again, I'm saying you don't understand it.

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#121791 Oct 31, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Rogue Moron fails to see the irony in his egotistical dismissal of other pilots.
Rogue Moron is a pilot and a truck driver. If only he could admit that he harbours a deep-seated resentment of those smarter and more successful than him, pages and pages and pages and pages of this thread would not have been unnecessarily wasted.
Fan boy irony wrote:
<quoted text>
He tells the stories on the Birther thread. You are here at all hours to give your summary of the man and his stories. On the Birther thread.
Any sane observer would call what you have "working class white man envy".
Laughable.
No, what is sad is that people think just because they have money, the can do what ever they want. Did you know Arnold Palmer has over 18,000 flying hours??? And both Harrison Ford and John Travolta are accomplished aviators.
The trick for anything that is dangerous is to know your limits and the limits of you machine!!! After that, it becomes a calculated risk.
Do you remember Gov. Mel Carnahan from MO who was running for the U.S. Senate in 2000. His son was flying when he had a relatively minor instrument malfunction.
Now, try and fly a Chinook on a partial instrument panel with both SAS's off line in moderate turbulence .... for an hour!!! Yes, I have done that in training just to be ready.
In Korea I flew a Chinook fromthe DMZ back to base with one engine on emergency trim and both SAS's off line. Yes, you work your butt off but a well trained pilot can handle it.
Oh, and I have done this.
&fe ature=fvwrel
But what you makes you feel good is when they post the following day's missions and the enlisted crew sees who their pilots will be and you hear a remark, "Great, I have Mr. Slick/Sooth as my pilot" or, "Oh sh*t, I have captain azz-hole"! The crew in the back knows who is not only a good pilot, but who will look after them.

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#121792 Oct 31, 2012
Reverend Mikey wrote:
Is that fat slob of a loser Davey Brown still posting here?
I might have to drop back in after Obama is reelected next week to see if that greasy terd finally had that stroke that's been building up.
Maybe it will you who will have the stroke ... when Obama loses next week!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#121793 Oct 31, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>

"Einsteins Theory of Relativity backs up the fact that the Earth is about 8,600 years old (st the same time, from Earth's perspective,it is about 4.5 Billion years old.
Nonsense. From the perspective of any point in the universe it (the universe) is over ten billion years old. The Big Bang had no center; it was not an explosion radiating from a point. Rouge reached a naïve conclusion based on a naïve premise that has been thoroughly debunked.
Grand Birther

United States

#121794 Oct 31, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Bladder Spill, there is no need to post any cases, a 6 year old can comprehend what it says. Wonder why you can't? Could it be because you're a Dumbazzedtard? I think so. LMAO at this cherub.
Loser Reposting Spam, I don't think the above will be an effective argument when birfoons get their day in court.

You may want to work on it just a bit.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#121795 Oct 31, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
This add is totally correct as confirmed by Fiat. They do plan on building Jeeps in .... China which means there will be fewer Jeeps exported from the U.S. to other countries.
Oh, the tile to this ad says that Romney lied but at no time does that ad say the Jeep is moving (all of Jeep) to China!!! Listen, vewy cawefully!!! Do not insert things that are not said!!!
Romney Continues to Tell "Jeeps to China" Lie in New Campaign Ad
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/bogus -...
It is like GE making engine parts in Europe. Rather than make the parts here in the U.S., GE moved it's tooling to Europe and hired local workers!!!
The fact is that Obama has exported a hundred times as more jobs overseas that Romney did by making new EPA and OSHA rules.
Ya know, if you Libtards are so worried about CO2, maybe you should stop breathing!
<quoted text>
I posted a link to back up my argument. Can you??? Or are you just shooting blanks again?
I already responded to that link. Try to keep up, please.
Grand Birther

United States

#121796 Oct 31, 2012
Fan boy irony wrote:
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He tells the stories on the Birther thread. You are here at all hours to give your summary of the man and his stories. On the Birther thread.
Any sane observer would call what you have "working class white man envy".
Laughable.
Lol, when this loser writes "all hours" s/he of course means "about once a day."

As to the rest of this loser's post, just plain lol.

“only High IQs need apply”

Since: Jul 11

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#121797 Oct 31, 2012
Agreed ^^^^
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#121798 Oct 31, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Like the Bladder Spill actually knows anything! Typical of a DIMwit though. Someone with years and years of experience makes a statement based on that experience and the DIMs dismiss it as some deep seated resentment about whatever. How stupid can they possibly be? DIMs just keep expanding that limit. Good job flappers, you're setting new records daily for stupidity.
Speaking of records for stupidity, let's disqualify any applicant for a private and, especially, commercial pilot's licence who has more than a high school diploma. Rogue fails to mention the educated ones who are good and careful pilots and the minimally-educated ones who could not even pass the written exam, much less fly a plane.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#121799 Oct 31, 2012
LRS wrote:
Let's see if Slopuke can understand this. 5 to 1 says he can't! LMAO
Many make the silly mistake of confusing temporary allegiance to a countries laws under the law of nations with that of allegiance to a nation. In school we pledge allegiance to the flag and the “Republic for which it stands,” not pledge our allegiance to local traffic laws. No one during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries confused owing allegiance to the laws with that of owing allegiance to a nation.
“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”–James Madison

Many make the idiotic mistake of conflating allegiance, jurisdiction, and citizenship, the "Pledge of Allegiance" notwithstanding.

A person born in the US, even of ordinary alien parents, owes immediate allegiance to the United States and is bound by the tie of natural allegiance and is a natural born citizen. Such a person, born in the US under the jurisdiction of the United States, is born a citizen according to the 14th Amendment.

The court in Gardner v. Ward was wrong?
Garder v. Ward, 2 Mass. 244 (1805)
“The doctrine of the common law is that every man born within its jurisdiction is a subject of the sovereign of the country where he is born, and allegiance is not personal to the sovereign in the extent that has been contended for; it is due to him in his political capacity of sovereign of the territory where the person owing the allegiance as born.

Zephaniah Swift was wrong?
“that a man born within the jurisdiction of the common law is a citizen of the country wherein he is born. By this circumstance of his birth, he is subjected to the duty of allegiance which is claimed and enforced by the sovereign of his native land, and becomes reciprocally entitled to the protection of that sovereign, and to the other rights and advantages which are included in the term ‘citizenship.’” A System of the Laws of the State of Connecticut: Zephaniah Swift, In Six Book, pg. 163,167 (1795).

The high court of Kentucky was wrong in 1822?

Amy v. Smith, 11 Ky. 326, 340 (Ky. 1822)
“The country where one is born, how accidental soever his birth in that place may have been, and although his parents belong to another country, is that to which he owes allegiance. Hence the expression natural born subject or citizen, & all the relations thereout growing. To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.”

The Oregon District Court was wrong?
Ex parte Chin King 13 Sawyer 333 (Oregon District June 25, 1888).“By the common law, a child born within the allegiance —the jurisdiction—of the United States, is born a subject or citizen thereof, without reference to the political status or condition of its parents.”

Supreme Court Justice Noah H. Swayne was wrong, along with the concurring judges in the appellate court of Kentucky?

“All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.… We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States.” U. S. v. Rhodes, 1 Abb.U.S. 28, 1 Am. Law T. Rep. U.S. Cts. 22, 7 Am. Law Reg.(N.S.) 233, 27 F.Cas. 785, No. 16,151 (C.C.D.Ky. 1866)

Grow up!

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