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BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#119194 Oct 20, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Okay, let me 'spain this to you one more time. As the stock market was in a free fall Bernanke started QE1 (Quantitative Easement ONE) which ended in March 2010 and did boost the stock market which crashed just as soon as QE1 ended.
The "crash" of which the person who has never studied investment finance speaks from Mar. 31, 2010 to trough was 12.5%.
If 12.5% is a "crash," how should investors describe the 58% free fall in the closing months of G.W.Bush's term or the 33.2% drop in three months of 1987 during the R.Reagan fiasco?
The Class should be tolerant of the rube. His posts make it clear that he has no real world experience in The Market. He is the classic example of why brokerage houses are advised not to deal with investors who have no understanding of market volatility.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#119195 Oct 20, 2012
"In an interview last Thursday with Reno, Nevada, station KTVN, Ann Romney said her chief concern with her husband winning the presidency would be his 'mental well-being,'"

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/msnbcs-bashir-sug...

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#119196 Oct 20, 2012
Guru wrote:
yeah, a scanned birth certificate...scanned from a fake copy of a birth certificate, created in cyberspance that exists no where else on this planet.
Look lady, you and obama have been so roundly proven to be wrong it is not worth wasting any more time on you or this issue.
The thread owes a debt of gratitude to el grande birther (l’il tacky). For all these years he has probably been correct that his president has a doctored or non-existent state-issued birth document and a bogus social security number. We owe this revelation to him.
Sadly, l’il tacky has fallen into the common “birther”-tea crumpet trap by being ineffective.
1. Unless he can show that these fraudulent documents violated a specific (yet to be named) federal or state statute since October 21, 2009, his claim is statute-barred. Because l’il tacky has failed to take EFFECTIVE action, our great nation’s grand 800-year tradition of Anglo-American jurisprudence bars him from contesting the authenticity of these documents in connection with any effort to show his president is not a natural-born American citizen.
2. l’il tacky has wasted hundreds (even thousands) of hours over the past four years by failing to identify what specific statute his president has violated with these false and fraudulent documents.
3. By failing to identify the specific date(s) on which his president specifically violated the applicable statute, l’il tacky has allowed the statute to expire.
4. Without identifying by specific name the individual(s) who relied detrimentally on these false and fraudulent documents, l’il tacky fails to establish any case that can be prosecuted even if the statute had not expired.
If only l’il tacky had followed through with the above before the statute expired, we could have used the judicial system to kick the great imposter out of office. But, NO, l’il tacky never followed through with the steps mature and educated people would have followed. Now we will be stuck with four more years of the great imposter, thanks to l’il tacky.
How typically “birther” to be so correct but hopelessly ineffective! This is the reason the Founders and Framers wisely withheld from the uneducated lower-classes the privilege of voting directly for their senators.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#119197 Oct 20, 2012
wag the dog...just as predicted and right on schedule...

"WND EXCLUSIVE
Obama cuts deal with Iran over nukes
Sanctions to vanish in exchange for 'temporary' halt in enrichment work
Published: 2 hours ago "

...just rmember folks, obama is "outraged" that anyone would even suggest that he is playing politics in Libya, etc. Or here. Outraged!!!

Just as predicted and right on schedule!

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#119199 Oct 20, 2012
President Starky wrote:
WE also take note of the lack of standards required to receive a Nobel.
Please identify the person(s) you do not think was a worthy laureate of the Nobel Prize in Economics. As a bonus tell the Class what you found deficient in their research that generated the prize. Thank you.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#119200 Oct 20, 2012
Guru wrote:
That is right. You cannot be a citizen in another country and be the President. That is clear, and the Framers of the Constitution said just that in the language of their time. The President has to be of one country not 2, 3 or whatever.
Damn! How did Washington, Adams, and Jefferson sneak that one by the Electoral College?
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#119202 Oct 20, 2012
wojar wrote:
"In an interview last Thursday with Reno, Nevada, station KTVN, Ann Romney said her chief concern with her husband winning the presidency would be his 'mental well-being,'"
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/msnbcs-bashir-sug...
...stop drinking your bathwater. Romney is going to beat obama by a HUGE margin. Better get used to it, OBOT.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#119203 Oct 20, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Well, it is at it's lowest level in five weeks! Going the wrong direction, don't you think?
Terri Tanna wrote:
<quoted text>
NEW DEFINITION: "way, way down" is 2.25%.
Obviously the poster has no investment experience for it is not uncommon for the market breadth to be that much in one day.
I suggest that you start out with a $500 investment in the Vanguard S&P 500, and then work your way up as you learn little by little about how the U.S. equity markets operate. The Market is not for novices such as yourself who have never read any serious works on investments and Finance.
Of course, without being proficient in The Calculus you would be hopelessly lost reading the best work in Finance.
Still going in the wrong direction. The average stock market correction is 12-18 months and we are over 60 months since the start of this one.
On October 2007 the DJIA peaked at 14,093 and when corrected for inflation that would be about 15,500 and we are now way close to that now are we Tootsie!
In any event, the market has been down too weeks in a row and is below ware it was five weeks ago.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#119204 Oct 20, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
I have quadrupled my net worth since 2006, all while RETIRED!
Did you do it all with equity investments?
Then you broke even with the benchmark. But if any of your investments were in gold or other instruments with a beta > 1.0 then you badly UNDERperformed the risk-free benchmark. That would make you a really stupid investor.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#119205 Oct 20, 2012
Guru wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!- your head is so far up your ass they can't find you. 17 days to go and we will be rid of your hero. There is so much law enforcement evidence against obama, both here and internationally that you comment is actually comical. I didn't thing anybody could be this stupid, but you proved me wrong. You are.
You should inform Mitt of your "so much law enforcement evidence". Maybe, he can use it to win the election, and when he cuts disability allowances to mental incompetents, you will be spared because of your central role in his election victory.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
$4M+? If you want to make up a number, how about $4 Bn?
Hawaii DOH officially verified and certified his Hawaiian birth. No need to spend 1¢.
Grow up!

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#119207 Oct 20, 2012
Guru wrote:
You are the one that told us that the DOW never had reached 14,000, So what the hell do you know about money if you didn't even know that simple fact?
NEVER SAID THAT. I stated no measure of the U.S. equity markets has ever been anywhere near 14,000 or 13,000 or even 2,500.
Do you realize that the DJIA is NOT a measure of the U.S. equity markets. How pathetic and uneducated you must be to think that.
=
Please cite any issue of Econometrica or any other serious Finance journal that uses the DJIA to measure the U.S. equity markets.
You must be more naive and less experienced in investing than even the rube.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#119208 Oct 20, 2012
part 1/several..

WND EXCLUSIVE
Obama cuts deal with Iran over nukes
Sanctions to vanish in exchange for 'temporary' halt in enrichment work
Published: 2 hours ago
author-image by Reza KahliliEmail | Archive
Reza Kahlili served in CIA Directorate of Operations, as a spy in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, counterterrorism expert; currently serves on the Task Force on National and Homeland Security, an advisory board authorized by Congress. He is the author of the award winning book "A Time to Betray" and regularly appears in national and international media as an expert on Iran and counterterrorism in the Middle East.More &#8595;

Khamenei

Iranian and U.S. negotiators have reached an agreement that calls for Iran to halt part of its nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of many of the U.S. sanctions against the Islamic regime, according to a highly placed source.

Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, expects a letter from President Obama in a few days guaranteeing the details of the agreement, arrived at recently during secret negotiations in Doha, Qatar.

The source, who remains anonymous for security reasons and is highly placed in Iran’s regime, said that once Khamenei receives Obama’s guarantees, he will authorize an announcement by Iran on a solution to the nuclear crisis before the U.S. presidential elections.

The agreement calls for Iran to announce a temporary halt to partial uranium enrichment after which the U.S. will remove many of its sanctions, including those on the Iranian central bank, no later than by the Iranian New Year in March. Iran is in the throes of massive inflation and citizen unrest because of the sanctions.

French intelligence verified today that Yukiya Amano, the current director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, has been given the go-ahead by the U.S. to be ready to travel to Iran and announce the agreement, according to Hamid Reza Zakeri, a former intelligence officer in the regime who has defected to Europe.

The source in Tehran said Khamenei has made it clear that unless he receives Obama’s written guarantees, he will not begin the process, which would dramatically boost Obama’s re-election chances. If the guarantees are not given, Khamenei has warned, Iran will speed up its nuclear program.

The guarantees would ensure the regime’s right to peaceful enrichment, quickly remove many of the sanctions, accept that Iran’s nuclear program does not have a military dimension and relieve international pressure on the regime while it continues its nuclear program. Also, the U.S. would announce that the killing of Iranian nuclear scientists was the work of a foreign country, though Israel would not be named, to increase legal pressure on Israel.

According to the Iranian source, a previous Obama letter to Khamenei indicated that it’s best for the regime not to give any motive to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, a message that was re-emphasized in the Qatar negotiations.

As reported exclusively by WND Oct. 4, a three-person delegation led by a woman on behalf of the Obama administration traveled to Qatar about Oct. 1 and met with Iranian counterparts, including Ali Akbar Velayati, the former foreign minister of the Islamic regime and a close adviser to Khamenei on international matters.

In the meeting, according to the source, the U.S. delegation urged an announcement, even if only on a temporary nuclear deal, before the U.S. elections to help Obama get re-elected. A Romney presidency, the delegation said, would surely move more toward Israel, and the Iranians were reminded that Obama has stood up to Israel against any plans to attack Iran. The regime’s delegate was urged to understand that if Iran does not stand by Obama, Israel will attack Iran.

Days after the WND report,

continued-
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#119209 Oct 20, 2012
part 2/2-

...Ali Akbar Salehi, the regime’s foreign minister, in an
interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel, stated,“If our right to enrichment is guaranteed, we are prepared to offer an exchange.”

The same message was relayed by several other officials of the regime.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said recently in Kazakhstan that the sanctions can be lifted immediately if Tehran worked with world powers to address questions about its nuclear program.

In the Qatar meeting,...according to the Iranian source, the American woman delegate, who has had several meetings with Velayati during the past several years, jokingly told Velayati that she will be the next secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development in a second Obama administration and that it would be wise for Iranians to invest in U.S. real estate.

In the past five months, four meetings were held in the U.S. with the Islamic regime’s surrogates to hash out what was to be discussed at the Doha meeting. The source identified Valerie Jarrett, a senior Obama adviser, as the head of the U.S. effort to engage Iran. Also identified was Cyrus Amir Mokri, assistant secretary of the Treasury Department for financial institutions, as another member advising the president on the issue.

Jarrett’s family has known the Velayati family since their stay in Iran in the 1950s, the source added. Jarrett’s father worked at the Namazi hospital in Shiraz, owned by an Iranian family that has been influential with the regime after the Islamic Revolution.

WND contacted both the U.S. State Department and the White House, asking about the Doha negotiations, who led the delegation from the U.S., whether Obama will provide the written guarantee, what negotiations the U.S. has pursued on its own and what is known about Amano’s plan to travel to Iran for the announcement.

The State Department declined to respond to multiple calls as well as email inquiries. A spokeswoman said the White House would not comment.

The European Union, which increased sanctions on Iran last week, fears back-channel negotiations between the Obama administration and Iran will leave it out. EU leaders are seeking to send a group of representatives from seven European countries to Tehran to strengthen their position with the regime over the nuclear program and their economic interests.

The Iranian currency, meanwhile, has hit another historic low, falling to 43,000 rials to one U.S. dollar. As reported recently, a secret memo by the Intelligence Ministry to regime officials has warned of major riots in Iran due to dire economic conditions.

Another internal report by the government’s Economic Commission indicated that government foreign currency reserves will run out in the coming months and that it will have difficulty meeting payrolls for public employees who could lose 50 percent of their pay.

Many within the Iranian opposition believe that if the West continues to pressure the Islamic regime and supports the aspirations of the majority of the Iranian people who resent the regime and its ideology, the regime will face a nationwide uprising and will collapse from within, changing the geopolitics of not only the region but the world.

However, if the regime is provided a lifeline for whatever reason, not only will it get the bomb but it will take Iranians and the world hostage for decades to come, they believe.

An Oct. 8 WND report revealed another secret nuclear site in Iran. The regime’s nuclear scientists have successfully completed testing of a neutron detonator and have nearly completed design of a nuclear warhead.

Reza Kahlili is a pseudonym for a former CIA operative in Iran’s Revolutionary Guards and author of the award-winning book “A Time to Betray”(Simon & Schuster, 2010). He serves on the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and the advisory board of the Foundation for Democracy in Iran (FDI).
***

JUST AS PREDICTED AND RIGHT ON SCHEDULE.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#119210 Oct 20, 2012
SHEEPLE Buster wrote:
We as a Nation are absolutely NOT better off now than we were four years ago.
1) We had a AAA credit rating then.
Do you lack the elementary knowledge to dodge answering how many basis points it has cost the U.S. Treasury as a result? The Class bets that you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the bond market.
=
To prove them wrong please identify the error Wikipedia made in its presentation of the Black-Scholes algorithm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black%E2%80%93Sc...
That should be a piece of cake for someone with your erudition.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#119211 Oct 20, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
<quoted text>
NEVER SAID THAT. I stated no measure of the U.S. equity markets has ever been anywhere near 14,000 or 13,000 or even 2,500.
Do you realize that the DJIA is NOT a measure of the U.S. equity markets. How pathetic and uneducated you must be to think that.
=
Please cite any issue of Econometrica or any other serious Finance journal that uses the DJIA to measure the U.S. equity markets.
You must be more naive and less experienced in investing than even the rube.
You are so wrong it is pathetic. The DOW is THE #1 measure of equities used all over the world. Get real lady, or I will have to dump you forever as just a cut and paste troll.

In addition, if you will, let me know where and in what you invest and I will do the same. If you want to compare knowledge in those areas, we can have a great one on one here for everyone to watch. My specialty is real estate and finance. Yours?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#119212 Oct 20, 2012
HaHaHa.....the wittle flappers are running around like chickens with their heads cut off. ID 10T Errors!
Ursula

Elmwood Park, IL

#119213 Oct 20, 2012
Is it so important at all??
All that country is build on immigrants.

Have a good time :]

http://cleannclearchicago.com/
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#119214 Oct 20, 2012
Guru wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so wrong it is pathetic. The DOW is THE #1 measure of equities used all over the world. Get real lady, or I will have to dump you forever as just a cut and paste troll.
In addition, if you will, let me know where and in what you invest and I will do the same. If you want to compare knowledge in those areas, we can have a great one on one here for everyone to watch. My specialty is real estate and finance. Yours?
STDs.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#119215 Oct 20, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
<quoted text>
NEVER SAID THAT. I stated no measure of the U.S. equity markets has ever been anywhere near 14,000 or 13,000 or even 2,500.
Do you realize that the DJIA is NOT a measure of the U.S. equity markets. How pathetic and uneducated you must be to think that.
=
Please cite any issue of Econometrica or any other serious Finance journal that uses the DJIA to measure the U.S. equity markets.
You must be more naive and less experienced in investing than even the rube.
lol...here lady, you better tell Wall St and all of the rest of us about what equities are...because you make NO sense here. If the DOW is not an index of the composed 30 equities as I stated then I do not know what is. AS I SAID, the DOW hit over 14,000 in Sept-Oct of 2007.

October 19, 2012, 4:52 P.M. ET

Equities Hit with Worst Sell-Off Since June; Dow Falls 205 Points

By Avi Salzman

Stocks fell hard on Friday, with the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P 500 dropping more than they have since June.

The Dow ended the day down 205 points, or 1.5%, to close at 13,343.5. The index was still up 0.1% for the week. The S&P 500 fell 24.2 points, or 1.7%, to close at 1,433.2. Nonetheless it also eked out a 0.3% weekly gain. The Nasdaq saw the most dramatic drop, falling 67.3 points, or 2.2%....
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#119216 Oct 20, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
<quoted text>
NEVER SAID THAT. I stated no measure of the U.S. equity markets has ever been anywhere near 14,000 or 13,000 or even 2,500.
Do you realize that the DJIA is NOT a measure of the U.S. equity markets. How pathetic and uneducated you must be to think that.
=
Please cite any issue of Econometrica or any other serious Finance journal that uses the DJIA to measure the U.S. equity markets.
You must be more naive and less experienced in investing than even the rube.
here granny, just for your edification:

"
Definition of 'Equity Market'
The market in which shares are issued and traded, either through exchanges or over-the-counter markets. Also known as the stock market, it is one of the most vital areas of a market economy because it gives companies access to capital and investors a slice of ownership in a company with the potential to realize gains based on its future performance.
Investopedia Says
Investopedia explains 'Equity Market'
This market can be split into two main sectors: the primary and secondary market. The primary market is where new issues are first offered. Any subsequent trading takes place in the secondary market.

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/equitymar...

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