BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#118880 Oct 19, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I think Romney would sit down and have a conversation with me along with many, many others. See, he's not worried about hiding something from the people like Omama. If he had time I think he'd sit and talk with most anyone who a genuine concern for America's future. BTW, I don't have a septic tank nor did I slither out from under a rock, I've been standing in your face from the beginning. More of your delusions on display. Your ego is your problem jacqazz as it requires daily petting. Get over yourself already. You're nothing special.
So, when speaking with Romney about, let's say, his political opponents, you would freely come out with "those dumabazzbastards, dumbazzbitches, buttflappers, shatazzes, rip their hearts through their azzes...etc?"

If you have defend your slitering and slug-like behaviour and your favourite rock, then there is a lot of truth to it. Romney would not even remain in the same room, much less the same county as the likes of you and your just-plain-indecent birther gang. And just watch how he will lose you and your tea bagger ilk if he is elected.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#118882 Oct 19, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Dual-citizen, not in compliance with post 118005. All children born in this nation of alien fathers are citizens of the father's country.
Citizenship is determined at the moment of birth.
Dual citizens born in the USA are Natural Born Citizens just like the children born in the USA of US citizens and other children born in the USA of foreign parents who are not dual citizens. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.

Oh, and we have already had before Obama at least one president who was a dual citizen at birth, Woodrow Wilson (USA/Britain) and one president who was probably a dual citizen, Dwight D. Eisenhower (USA/Germany due to old German laws making the grandchildren of its citizens German citizens).

The idea that dual citizenship can affect Natural Born Citizen is supremely nutty because it is based on the idea that a foreign law---a law that a foreign country can change at its will---affects whether or not a child born in the USA like millions of others can become president of the USA.

Well, if a foreign law making someone according to its law a citizen of that country could affect Natural Born status, Mexico could simply pass a law that every child born in Texas was also a Mexican citizen, and that according to you would make them all not eligible to be president.

Yes, a US-born child born of a foreign parent can legally be a citizen of that country as well as a Natural Born Citizen of the USA. But the fact that she or he has that dual citizenship does not affect US Natural Born Citizen status.

Oh, and Howard and Bingham and Trumbull did not say that it affected the matter either, nor did they say that jurisdiction was affected by the citizenship of the parent. Want to see the quotations again?
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#118883 Oct 19, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me, who should pay for you auto insurance? Should someone with a clean driving record have to pay the same high cost of auto insurance as a repeat DUI offender with multiple accidents on his record?
How about home insurance? Should WE pay for everyone's home insurance? Then why should I pay for someone else's health care?
Why should you pay for someone else's highway? For someone else's armed forcesd? For someone else's foreign service? For someone else's meat inspectors? For someone else's social security? For someone else's police? For someone else's coast guard? For someone else's mentally handicapped care? Etc etc. Why?
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#118884 Oct 19, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you. I have been working.
I have to work today too.
I may post later, but I have seen a huge drop in posts from the left lately.
I wonder why that is.
Well, were you working when you posted those lies that I refuted, every one of them? Were you working when, confronted with real facts, you came right back with name-calling and abuse? Were you too busy to just say, "hey, you're right about this, sorry". I didn't expect you to, so no surprise there.
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#118885 Oct 19, 2012
U.S. Drones Kill 16 In Pakistan; Victims Left Unidentified

Despite having declared war on no one — not al-Qaeda, not the Taliban, no one — the United States fired four missiles from a drone Thursday killing 16 “suspected militants.”

Although stories relating the event will not say it,“suspected militant” is a post-9/11 euphemism for someone not charged with any crime, not identified as an enemy combatant, but killed by our government anyway.

According to Pakistani news outlet Dawn.com , the Buland Khel area of the Orakzai agency in Pakistan was the site of the attack on October 11, the 39th drone attack in Pakistan this year.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/u-s-drones-k...

It seems a little strange that a movie about a prophet would upset the Muslim world more than something like this.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#118886 Oct 19, 2012
SHEEPLE Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't give a fuck what you say, PERIOD!
Still haven't found that Obama long form birth certificate with a raised visible seal, huh?
I'll take your response as a NO, you still haven't found that Obama long form birth certificate with a raised visible seal.
Do you consider those pencil marks, along with the handwritten signatures on Obama's long form birth certificate, to be the equivalent of half of the information on the document?
Just can't muster the yes or no answer that was called for, huh?
Stop posting your SPAM, as it is pure BS!
The above is spam. It is an exact copy of what was posted before.

Also, notice the reaction of a birther to the facts. It is to ignore them, swear, and "don't give a (swear word deleted)..." Do you believe that this is an example of a rational, fair minded person? Would you like to be a birther, just like the person in this example?

In response to this question, "Still haven't found that Obama long form birth certificate with a raised visible seal, huh?"

Here is the answer:

You claim that because the seal is not visible on the scan that the document does not exist. But that is what YOU claim, and you have not shown evidence. The explanation is simply that a PDF scan of a Hawaii long form birth certificate does not pick up the raised seal.

Obama's Hawaii long form birth certificate exists. And the officials in Hawaii in fact stated that they sent a copy to Obama, and at least one reporter said that she had felt the seal.

We know that Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate in several ways.

The first is the short-form birth certificate. It is generated by a clerk in the Hawaii DOH reading the information in the files and entering it in a computer form. For that to happen there has to be a document in the files. For the birth certificate not to exist, the clerk would have had to have been lying, and the confirmations by the Republican officials in 2008 would have to be lies as well.

We also know that Obama had a birth certificate in 1961 from the notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH in that year.

We know that only the DOH could send those notices for these reasons: Because the representative of the newspapers said so, because the representative of the DOH said so and because the section of the newspaper was called "Health Bureau Statistics"---which meant that the facts in it came from the Health Bureau, the DOH.

In 1961, the DOH was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children born outside of Hawaii, and it only sent birth notices to the papers for children born in Hawaii.

And there is the Index Data file and the statement of the witness who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about "Stanley having a baby." So we know that Obama had a Hawaii birth certificate.

Your claim is that despite (1) the existence of Obama's birth certificate being proven by the notices sent to the newspapers in 1961; (2) the officials in Hawaii stating that they sent both the short form and the long form versions of it to him, and (3) the witness who wrote home, and (4) despite a reporter having said that she felt the seal on it---that the birth certificate does not exist and that both the officials in Hawaii and the reporter are lying because the embossed seal does not show up on a PDF scan.

Well, prove your claim, show that it is possible for a PDF scan to pick up a raised seal.

Obama's mother lived in Hawaii. There is not a shred of evidence that she went from Hawaii to any other country in 1961---and certainly not to Kenya, where the Kenyan government said that it checked on the "born in Kenya" claim and found that it was false. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and pregnant women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in those days, and yet you and other birthers think that there could be a chance that Obama was born outside of the USA and that the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lying about that fact.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#118887 Oct 19, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
So well presented...and true. I would like a conservative here to tell us about ONE piece of social legislation for the simple folks instead of the rich brought about by Republicans in the last 100 years. ONE.(Sorry, had to remove one sentence fr ur text to make room.(farmers'...)
And how exactly would that matter to you?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#118888 Oct 19, 2012
SHEEPLE Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
Now if only you could prove that fiction.
Have you found a copy of Obama's long form birth certificate with a raised embossed State seal issued by Hawaii DOH???
You won't, because there isn't one.
Where is the proof that a mistake happened in regards to Obama's fraudulent SSN?
Your delusional fantasy is not proof.
Re: "Where is the proof that a mistake happened in regards to Obama's fraudulent SSN?"

Actually, you have the burden of proof backwards. I showed that it was possible that the SSN was caused by an error. It is up to you to prove that it was not an error.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#118890 Oct 19, 2012
Tune in to Fox News this Friday at 10 p.m. ET for a "Special Report" investigation on the Libya consulate attack.

‘Special Report’ investigates death and deceit in Benghazi
Published October 18, 2012; FoxNews.com
Bret Baier anchors an investigation into the violent fiasco in Libya that ended in the deaths of a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans.
The special includes Baier's exclusive interview with the head of the U.S. Embassy's Site Security Team, and the latest developments from Benghazi.
It will also include additional reports from the White House and the campaign trail -- where voters are asking: What did President Obama know, and when did he know it?

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/18/sp...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#118892 Oct 19, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
U.S. Drones Kill 16 In Pakistan; Victims Left Unidentified
Despite having declared war on no one — not al-Qaeda, not the Taliban, no one — the United States fired four missiles from a drone Thursday killing 16 “suspected militants.”
Although stories relating the event will not say it,“suspected militant” is a post-9/11 euphemism for someone not charged with any crime, not identified as an enemy combatant, but killed by our government anyway.
According to Pakistani news outlet Dawn.com , the Buland Khel area of the Orakzai agency in Pakistan was the site of the attack on October 11, the 39th drone attack in Pakistan this year.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/u-s-drones-k...
It seems a little strange that a movie about a prophet would upset the Muslim world more than something like this.
Well, it is easier to kill suspects than to capture them, figure out who are good and who are bad, and then incarcerate them in GITMO!
Just look at how many we have let go out of GITMO only for them to return to their evil ways!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#118894 Oct 19, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh Jacques, the latest Gallup poll has Romney up and additional point. It is now Romney 52 v. Obama 45!!!
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
I did not, do not, deny that poll, never did. But remember, even when Obama was 6 to 8 points ahead, I maintained it was anyone's race. But Romney's got the momentum at the moment, doesn't look good at all for Obama. Too bad.
If you look at any poll in the past twenty odd years that Rasmussen is the most consistent. It is only in the last month or so before an election that Gallup starts to use the "most lively to vote" methodology and his polls start to look like Rasmussen's. WHY?
Well, Gallup does a lot of polling for the federal and state governments and they want to keep their customers happy. If they tell the truth ..... they are afraid the Democrat controlled governments will not hire them!!!
They can also claim that they were just as accurate as Rasmussen (but only in the last month before the election)!
Obama should start packing his bags!

“Stuffs gettin better ”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#118896 Oct 19, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, were you working when you posted those lies that I refuted, every one of them? Were you working when, confronted with real facts, you came right back with name-calling and abuse? Were you too busy to just say, "hey, you're right about this, sorry". I didn't expect you to, so no surprise there.
LOL
Poor, insignificant Nook.
Spend's his miserable life on topix begging people to tell him he's right about something. Anything.

"Stuff's gettin better"
2012

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#118897 Oct 19, 2012
Oh, Candy Crowley has a new book out, "Rules for Radigals" or "How to cover Obama's Butt"
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#118898 Oct 19, 2012
Congressman: Obama Administration’s Libya Narrative Falling Apart

Watch

http://www.westernjournalism.com/congressman-...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#118899 Oct 19, 2012
Do you remember when the Liberals claimed that a few (ten) banks were "Too Big to allow to Fail"? Well, now we have just FOUR BIGGER Banks who now control 55% of our capital!!! If they were to big four years ago, what are they today?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#118900 Oct 19, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
Congressman: Obama Administration’s Libya Narrative Falling Apart
Watch
http://www.westernjournalism.com/congressman-...
And also watch Fox News at 10:00 p.m. ET!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#118901 Oct 19, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
So, when speaking with Romney about, let's say, his political opponents, you would freely come out with "those dumabazzbastards, dumbazzbitches, buttflappers, shatazzes, rip their hearts through their azzes...etc?"
If you have defend your slitering and slug-like behaviour and your favourite rock, then there is a lot of truth to it. Romney would not even remain in the same room, much less the same county as the likes of you and your just-plain-indecent birther gang. And just watch how he will lose you and your tea bagger ilk if he is elected.
You seem agitated again jacqazz. You know one side of me because of your own choice. Remember? Sure you do. Those trademarked names are reserved you and your sockpuppets, no one else. Congrats. Personally, I think Romney would have an interest in hearing from an Energy Company that has been doing business since the 50's and enjoys an excellent reputation of eithics, honesty and success. You're just a jealous cry baby jacqazz. Go find someone who will pet your ego for you. You might want to get off your pity pot first. Act like an azz, get treated like an azz. It's a very simple concept for most people. Tissue?
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#118902 Oct 19, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I think Romney would sit down and have a conversation with me along with many, many others. See, he's not worried about hiding something from the people like Omama. If he had time I think he'd sit and talk with most anyone who a genuine concern for America's future. BTW, I don't have a septic tank nor did I slither out from under a rock, I've been standing in your face from the beginning. More of your delusions on display. Your ego is your problem jacqazz as it requires daily petting. Get over yourself already. You're nothing special.
QUOTE "See, he's not worried about hiding something from the people like Omama." UNQUOTE.

Obama produced certified copies of both long and short form BCs. He didn't have to. Now why does Romney not produce his last 10 yrs income tax reports? Yes, he doesn't have to, but neither did Obama. Oh, and certified copies would do just fine, I'm sure.

His transfer of funds to the Caymans, even if legal, would be downright embarrassing, no?, as he simultaneously moved jobs to China and Mexico.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#118903 Oct 19, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, were you working when you posted those lies that I refuted, every one of them? Were you working when, confronted with real facts, you came right back with name-calling and abuse? Were you too busy to just say, "hey, you're right about this, sorry". I didn't expect you to, so no surprise there.
Pot meet kettle.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#118904 Oct 19, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You wouldn't know a fact if it slapped you in the face! Facts? Laughable.
You do cherish that expression, "slap in the face", don't you? Specially as it always invariably apply to women.

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