BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#118348 Oct 17, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Grow up, loser. Bingham, Trumbull, and Howard all subscribed to the jus soli doctrine, birfoon misreading of "subject to a foreign power" notwithstanding.
They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).
“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)
Grow up! The simple fact is THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER CHILDREN BORN IN THE US OF ORDINARY ALIENS TO BE BORN SUBJECT TO A FOREIGN POWER.
Too bad you don't understand what THEY MEANT by "subject to a foreign power", which meant children of foreign ambassadors and certain other exceptions.
GROW FECKING UP!
<quoted text>
they also argued to, " and Subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", looks like to me, Obama missed half of the requirements. Ain't no such thing in the constitution, you is or you ain't. Obama ain't!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#118349 Oct 17, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? You da expert on JURISDICTION!
What's your problem? Every other country is sovereign but not the US? England can invalidate US citizenship of a born US citizen?
Suppose a German man and Irish woman have a child while residing in New York? According to US law the child is a US citizen. According to German law, she is a German citizen, and according to Irish law, she is an Irish citizen. She is entitled to passports from all three countries. None of the countries may invalidate her citizenship in any other country.
Does the birfoon think that Ireland by issuing a passport recognizing her Irish citizenship "strips away" her German citizenship? Does the birfoon think that Germany similarly "strips away" her Irish citizenship? Meanwhile the birfoon believes Germany may invalidate -- "strip away" -- her US citizenship.
Cat got your tongue?
UR a birfoon!
<quoted text>
just not the way the 14th was setup. We don't invalidate a citizenship, unless requested.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#118350 Oct 17, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Grow up, loser. Bingham, Trumbull, and Howard all subscribed to the jus soli doctrine, birfoon misreading of "subject to a foreign power" notwithstanding.
They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).
“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)
Grow up! The simple fact is THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER CHILDREN BORN IN THE US OF ORDINARY ALIENS TO BE BORN SUBJECT TO A FOREIGN POWER.
Too bad you don't understand what THEY MEANT by "subject to a foreign power", which meant children of foreign ambassadors and certain other exceptions.
GROW FECKING UP!
<quoted text>
Hi puppet..

So, it is your claim that an Indian mother who snuck off the reservation and plopped out a child in Philadelphia would have a child who was a US Citizen?

I mean, since all those wonderful people believed in "jus soli"..

I got a bridge I can sell ya, give me a call..

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#118351 Oct 17, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
So, it is your claim that an Indian mother who snuck off the reservation and plopped out a child in Philadelphia would have a child who was a US Citizen?
I mean, since all those wonderful people believed in "jus soli"..
I got a bridge I can sell ya, give me a call..
Huh? They weren't referring to Indians, jagoff.

Indians? The law concerning Indians was a SPECIFIC EXCEPTION. They were not "ordinary aliens". DUH!

“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).

Indians? The law concerning Indians was a SPECIFIC EXCEPTION.

GROW UP! LOSER.

Indians were a special case, not subject to the GENERAL RULE.

Got a clue?

"[I]t (the 14th amendment) granted, and was intended to grant, national citizenship to every person of the Indian race in this country who was unconnected with any tribe, and who resided, in good faith, outside of Indian reservations and within one of the states or territories of the Union. This fact is, we think, entitled to great weight in determining the meaning and scope of the amendment. Lithographic Co. v. Sarony, 111 U. S. 57; S. C. 4 SUP. CT. REP. 279."
Elk v. Wilkins, 112 US 94. 118 (1884).

GROW UP!

If you haven't yet figured it out, Indians within the US have ALWAYS BEEN CONSIDERED SEPARATELY FROM GENERAL RULES OF CITIZENSHIP.

Did you just fall off the turnip truck?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, loser, but Bingham, Howard, and Trumbull adhered to the jus soli principle and they plainly stated so. They clearly did not believe that children born in this country of ordinary aliens were subject to a foreign power.
Furthermore, they are not the "highest authority" under the US Constitution, which you presumably hold dear. According to the Constitution, the Supreme Court is vested with the judicial Power of the United States, and it interprets the meaning of the Constitution.
Get used to it. And GROW UP!
MyTwoCents

Park Ridge, IL

#118352 Oct 17, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Now this is typical Libtardian Logic. In the debate last night Obama claimed the price of gasoline was $1.80+ gallon when he entered office so what is it now $3.60+ a gallon? Hint, what was the cost of crude oil when Obama entered office and what is it today?
Since non-government owned petroleum companies control only 10% of the earths oil, who is to blame? Now if you were Bill O'Really you would blame it on ... brokers .... but O'Really is no Conservative.
OPEC sets the price of oil as they control 50% of the EXPORT oil market! And here is the list of the OPEC member COUNTRIES;
...
Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela
..
Please note, Exxon-Mobile, Texaco, BP, Shell, etc. are not among those countries!!!
....
Oh, and oil production in U.S. federal controlled lands and waters is DOWN 14% since Obama entered the White House.
And SUPPLY, on whole, is up. Go figure. So who sets the price of GAS? What is the NATIONAL supply level comapred historically?
Go Rouge, you're a googleman reaserchist. hehehehe

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MyTwoCents

Park Ridge, IL

#118353 Oct 17, 2012
SHEEPLE Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
SKANK, STFU!
I made a mistake.
Definition of C'EST LA VIE
: that's life : that's how things happen
I also got the meaning wrong, but then again I am not French.
Nope. Just simply Stupid.

>

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#118354 Oct 17, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>just not the way the 14th was setup. We don't invalidate a citizenship, unless requested.
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, but NO COUNTRY invalidates the citizenship of a person who is a citizen of a foreign country.

Duh!

It cuts both ways, BIRFOON.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? You da expert on JURISDICTION!
What's your problem? Every other country is sovereign but not the US? England can invalidate US citizenship of a born US citizen?
Suppose a German man and Irish woman have a child while residing in New York? According to US law the child is a US citizen. According to German law, she is a German citizen, and according to Irish law, she is an Irish citizen. She is entitled to passports from all three countries. None of the countries may invalidate her citizenship in any other country.
Does the birfoon think that Ireland by issuing a passport recognizing her Irish citizenship "strips away" her German citizenship? Does the birfoon think that Germany similarly "strips away" her Irish citizenship? Meanwhile the birfoon believes Germany may invalidate -- "strip away" -- her US citizenship.
Cat got your tongue?
UR a birfoon!
MyTwoCents

Park Ridge, IL

#118355 Oct 17, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Do any of you Libtards understand "royalties"? Let's say you own a property and you sell an oil lease and the person who bought those rights agreed to pay you X amount of money per gallon of oil pumped out of the ground.
Now, if you are the Federal government, the more they pump out the more money flows into the Treasury of the United States and the more money Obama would be able to spend on his pet project but nooooo, Obama is to stoooooped to know that!!!
But then again, who ever accused a Libtard of having any commonsense?
What is the royalty on ZERO?
I have a great deal for you, Rouge. It just looks like a swamp; there's gazillions of dollars there if'n I can find something worthwhile under that swamp...e3ventually in 20, 30, 50 years. But hey the payback will be HUGE.

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Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#118356 Oct 17, 2012
MyTwoCents wrote:
<quoted text>
Still boring.
>
what could be more boring than 2% of a dollar. You can't buy a piece of gum for that.
MyTwoCents

Park Ridge, IL

#118357 Oct 17, 2012
Whitey wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldn't go that far. I say just deport all you racist darkies. We have no need for you anymore. Besides you have proved you hate us Whiteys and don't understand what it means to be American. Off with you I say.
Thank you for your candor. It underscores the true mindset of conservapublibaggers.

>

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#118358 Oct 17, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? They weren't referring to Indians, jagoff.
Indians? The law concerning Indians was a SPECIFIC EXCEPTION. They were not "ordinary aliens". DUH!
So those who drafted the 14th Amendment only believed in Jus Soli when it is convenient for you.. Got..

Poor little puppet..
MyTwoCents

Park Ridge, IL

#118360 Oct 17, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>what could be more boring than 2% of a dollar. You can't buy a piece of gum for that.
ahh, greenie you're still boring. new moniker same tired old crap - 25 lbs in a 5 lb sack

>
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#118361 Oct 17, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, but NO COUNTRY invalidates the citizenship of a person who is a citizen of a foreign country.
Duh!
It cuts both ways, BIRFOON.
<quoted text>
correct, unless the individual request such!

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform :noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#118362 Oct 17, 2012
MyTwoCents wrote:
<quoted text>
ahh, greenie you're still boring. new moniker same tired old crap - 25 lbs in a 5 lb sack
>
that my friend is called, ingenuity!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#118363 Oct 17, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
So those who drafted the 14th Amendment only believed in Jus Soli when it is convenient for you.. Got..
Poor little puppet..
The discussions in Congress included many pages devoted to the special circumstances of Indians. I suggest you educate yourself. Also, court decisions elaborated on the special circumstances of Indians. Yet BirfoonBoy conflates children of European aliens with Indians as though the special circumstances should apply to both. UR an I---t.

Bottom line, the child of Indians was not considered the same as the child of Germans, English, Dutch, French, etc.

It ain't rocket science.

Did you just fall off the turnip truck?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? They weren't referring to Indians, jagoff.
Indians? The law concerning Indians was a SPECIFIC EXCEPTION. They were not "ordinary aliens". DUH!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#118364 Oct 17, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The discussions in Congress included many pages devoted to the special circumstances of Indians. I suggest you educate yourself. Also, court decisions elaborated on the special circumstances of Indians. Yet BirfoonBoy conflates children of European aliens with Indians as though the special circumstances should apply to both. UR an I---t.
Bottom line, the child of Indians was not considered the same as the child of Germans, English, Dutch, French, etc.
It ain't rocket science.
Did you just fall off the turnip truck?
<quoted text>
So those who drafted the 14th Amendment only believed in Jus Soli when it is convenient for you.. Got..
Poor little puppet..

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#118365 Oct 17, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>correct, unless the individual request such!
I hereby declare,

blah, blah, blah, Oath of Allegiance...

so help me God.
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, NO COUNTRY can invalidate the citizenship of a person who is a citizen of a foreign country, or countries. In particular, this is the law in the US. Get used to it.

“In accordance with Section 358 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, while persons seeking to renounce U.S. citizenship submit the necessary documentation to a U.S. consular officer at a U.S. Foreign Service post abroad, the decision whether to approve the renunciation is made by the Department of State in Washington, D.C. Accordingly, unless and until a certificate of loss of nationality is approved by the U.S. Department of State, the oath of renunciation, even though signed by the individual is not/not legally effective in terminating the person's U.S. citizenship.”
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citiz ...

How many times? How many times, birfoon?

PLAY LAW DOESN'T COUNT IN THE REAL WORLD.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, but NO COUNTRY invalidates the citizenship of a person who is a citizen of a foreign country.
Duh!
It cuts both ways, BIRFOON.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#118366 Oct 17, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The discussions in Congress included many pages devoted to the special circumstances of Indians. I suggest you educate yourself. Also, court decisions elaborated on the special circumstances of Indians. Yet BirfoonBoy conflates children of European aliens with Indians as though the special circumstances should apply to both. UR an I---t.
Bottom line, the child of Indians was not considered the same as the child of Germans, English, Dutch, French, etc.
It ain't rocket science.
Did you just fall off the turnip truck?
<quoted text>
you forgot what you posted back on "118005"! I don't think that would include aliens of any type, since they are subjects of a foreign power, and not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. NEXT!
American Lady

Danville, KY

#118367 Oct 17, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
Terri Tanna wrote:
SHEEPLE Buster wrote:
"Say la vie to Obama."
====
<quoted text>
Of course, the one with the GED cannot even spell the phrase correctly, thus turning it into a completely different meaning.
"Let us say LIFE to President Obama!!"
<quoted text>
Oui. The correct sentence is "C'est la vie".
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#118368 Oct 17, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Grow up, loser. Bingham, Trumbull, and Howard all subscribed to the jus soli doctrine, birfoon misreading of "subject to a foreign power" notwithstanding.
They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).
“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)
Grow up! The simple fact is THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER CHILDREN BORN IN THE US OF ORDINARY ALIENS TO BE BORN SUBJECT TO A FOREIGN POWER.
Too bad you don't understand what THEY MEANT by "subject to a foreign power", which meant children of foreign ambassadors and certain other exceptions.
GROW FECKING UP!
<quoted text>
I think Mobarf need to grow the F up.
Sen. Trumbull stated during the drafting of the national birthright law that it was the goal to “make citizens of everybody born in the United States who owe allegiance to the United States.”
Sen. Trumbull felt the words,“That all persons born in the United States and owing allegiance thereto are hereby declared to be citizens” would be more than sufficient to fulfill this goal. However, after investigation it was found the United States had no authority to make citizens of those temporarily residing in the United States who owed only a “temporary allegiance.”

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