We were discussing whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii. If the American people believe that Obama lied about saying that it was terrorism they will vote against him, and that is fine with me. That is a normal thing to do if you think that someone is a liar, and you do not feel that his opponent is a liar too.<quoted text>
OK, I see you are here, I'll go a few more rounds with you before I sleep...
It so happens I voted FOR obama. I don't hate him, but I realized long ago that he is a creature of habit: lies, forgeries like he and his friend Ayers bragged about, his connections and upbringing, in fact his whole life story, are filled with constructs, like his books, which talks about his "girlfriends", all made up, etc. He does this for a living, and has been ripped so many times for his lies it is sickening. The debate last night was classis...he lies about everything, from the oil debates with Mitt, he cut them 62% and 35% on the permits, drilling, etc. He lied. He also lied about the coverup on Libya. Now he is trying to create another lie which Mitt got on the record, and now will be obama's undoing on the next debate. He lied so hard, he made Crowly reiterate it. The transcripts already showed he lied about Libya being terrorism, he never mentioned it, and if he did know on dayone in the Rose Garden, why did he then spend the next 14 days saying it was the movie 6 times at the UN, sending out Ambassador Rice on 5 shows on a Sunday saying it was not terrorism, had Clinton do the same, and take out TV time in Benghazi saying it was not terrorism but a movie, and going on the View to lie again in front of millions.
Well lade, your here just perjured himself in front of the world, that will all be item #1 next debate.
Lets see you spin that one honey.
The election will be decided on such matters and on the economy.
But Obama was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate from Hawaii shows. There is no reason to believe that Hawaii issued a birth certificate to Obama in 2007, when he was hardly known, unless there actually was an original birth certificate in its files, and there is no reason that it would say that Obama was born in Honolulu unless Obama actually was born in Honolulu.
The fact that Hawaii sent birth certificates (short and long forms) to Obama and that the original is in its files and that the facts on Obama's published long form are exactly the same as those on the birth certificate in the files has been confirmed repeatedly by the officials in Hawaii. Officials of both parties have confirmed the birth certificate, and it is further confirmed by the fact that the DOH of Hawaii sent birth notices to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
There is absolutely no evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than in Hawaii, and if he were actually born in a foreign country there would have to be evidence.
It should be obvious that a child born outside of the USA requires either a US visa on a foreign passport or to be entered on the motherís US passport to get to the USA. This is not only the case now, it was the case in the 1960s as well.
Those documents or the applications for them would still exist and would have been found easily IF Obama was born outside of the USA. But no such document has been found.