BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#118391 Oct 17, 2012
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#118392 Oct 17, 2012
Take these azzholes out back and do away with them.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/17/law-firm...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#118393 Oct 17, 2012

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#118395 Oct 17, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Please cite the authority that overrules the United States Supreme Court.
Thank you.
Oh puppet, you have such a simple mind..

Let's see:

The people: They could choose while sitting on a jury to not enforce a law previously deemed lawful by the SCOTUS through Jury Nullification.

The State: The State could choose to nullify a law previously ruled Constitutional but the SCOTUS- Just ask Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

The Congress: They could leave the law on the books and impeach the entire SCOTUS if they so chose.

The Executive: The President could choose not to enforce a ruling by the SCOTUS

And on and on.. You seem to think the SCOTUS is our new king, they are not. The reality of the matter is they were designed to be the weakest branch of the Federal Government. All they can really do is issue opinions, they have no enforcement authority.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#118397 Oct 18, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh puppet, you have such a simple mind..
Let's see:
The people: They could choose while sitting on a jury to not enforce a law previously deemed lawful by the SCOTUS through Jury Nullification.
The State: The State could choose to nullify a law previously ruled Constitutional but the SCOTUS- Just ask Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
The Congress: They could leave the law on the books and impeach the entire SCOTUS if they so chose.
The Executive: The President could choose not to enforce a ruling by the SCOTUS
And on and on.. You seem to think the SCOTUS is our new king, they are not. The reality of the matter is they were designed to be the weakest branch of the Federal Government. All they can really do is issue opinions, they have no enforcement authority.
Those things are possible, as is a US Constitutional amendment to overturn a US Supreme Court ruling, but they will never happen. When Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review laugh at birthers and call them crazy, and when the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona rules that Hawaii's confirmation that Obama was born there is sufficient to put Obama on the ballot, then you know there is not widespread support for the two-parent theory.

So, when the US Supreme Court rules that two citizen parents are not required and there is not widespread support for an amendment to overturn the US Supreme Court, you have to stop dreaming about mass movements to overturn the US Supreme Court.

Re a state "nullifying." That is not merely a dream in this case, it is no longer possible in ANY case. Several southern states tried it after Brown v. Board of Education (school integration). Eisenhower knocked their attempts on the head.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#118398 Oct 18, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>you forgot what you posted back on "118005"! I don't think that would include aliens of any type, since they are subjects of a foreign power, and not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. NEXT!
Everybody who is IN the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#118399 Oct 18, 2012
Obama the Kenyan wrote:
obama has no birth certificate, SS card, SS#, passports, college records, grades, you name it...it is all a fraud.
In Hawaii we all know he doesn't have one, Arpaio proved it beyond reproach with Zullo. Russia, Israel, England all know through their intel that he was born in Kenya.
sorry folks...but he was the perfect patsy to take the heat and was so dumb he let Wall St steal the cash out of this country. Now you have to pay for it.
Now Mitt will come in and re-up the economy. The banks won't lend until obama is out.
Wake up people, and vote for Romney or you will be broker than the state of CA is. Vote NO on Prop 30 too. Let them cut aid to illegals before they ask you for more. Then say no again.
Prop 13 saved our homes, and they can't touch it. Do the same thing with Prop 30 and 38. Let them make do with what they have. No more taxes, no more obama.
Period.
......sorry but this president is losing and losing BIG. He looked at everyone last night in the eyes an lied to the American people on when he called it "terrorism", and everyone knows it and is as mad as hell. People saw just what a liar he is. Americans don't like being lied to by their President. Yet after all of the lying about the "movie" he looked at them all and did it right to them in real time. He lied right there, and told people "who do you believe?... your lying eyes or my speech?" He lied then right to our faces, just like he lied to Hawaii about being born there where you are at. he lied, and all of his documents PROVE that. Even as brilliant law enforcement proved it right before our eyes, on live TV, and with over 1200 forensic tests proved the documents were fraudulent,-NONE OF THE TESTS WERE POSITIVE!- obama KEPT telling you "don't believe that!"

Just like he said last night "don't believe Romney!- he doesn't have a 5 point plan!!"-- he says this right after Romney listed that same 5-point plan to us all once again.

...obama says "dont believe your lying ears, don't believe your lying eyes, don't believe law enforcement-- believe my speeches!" Then he hides all of his documents and spends $4Million+ to keep it hidden from all of you while every other candidate does just the opposite.

When obama got in office all he did is say 'WE WON!". Then he sat back for 4 years...playing golf, living like a King, and ruined this country by doing nothing but wrecking it.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#118400 Oct 18, 2012
Re: "he lied to Hawaii about being born there where you are at. he lied, and all of his documents PROVE that. Even as brilliant law enforcement proved it right before our eyes, on live TV, and with over 1200 forensic tests proved the documents were fraudulent,-NONE OF THE TESTS WERE POSITIVE!- obama KEPT telling you "don't believe that!"

There is NO evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than in the USA (The “born-in-Kenya” myth is completely loony. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya that year, and the Kenyan government says that it investigated whether or not Obama was born there, and found that he was not born there). There is evidence, the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials in Hawaii of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 that Obama was born IN HAWAII.

Only birther "experts"---who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama's birth certificate.

The birther "experts" include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend (and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such "experts" as these that the birthers rely on for their case.

There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama's policies, but shows that the birther "experts" are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama's birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.

As for Sheriff Joe and his posse:

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

and

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indict...

It is clear that rational conservatives do not believe the "birth certificate was forged" claims. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review certainly do not.

And the conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm specified facts on Obama's birth certificate. Hawaii did, stating that it compared the image of Obama's birth certificate with the file copy (which is an additional confirmation that there was a file copy BTW) and that Obama was born there and that the facts match. The secretary of state of Arizona accepted this confirmation and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November. This indicates that he does not believe the claims that the birth certificate is forged (including those of Sheriff Joe) and that he does believe the officials in Hawaii.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#118401 Oct 18, 2012
CNN Anchor Slammed Over Twisting of Obama Statement on Libya

Don't mess with John Sununu... at least if you don't come armed with the facts. That's what CNN's Soledad O'Brien found out when she tried to imply that Mitt Romney erred at Tuesday night's debate when he called out Barack Obama over the attacks in Benghazi, Libya.

http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2012/10/17/cnn-...
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#118402 Oct 18, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "he lied to Hawaii about being born there where you are at. he lied, and all of his documents PROVE that. Even as brilliant law enforcement proved it right before our eyes, on live TV, and with over 1200 forensic tests proved the documents were fraudulent,-NONE OF THE TESTS WERE POSITIVE!- obama KEPT telling you "don't believe that!"
There is NO evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than in the USA (The “born-in-Kenya” myth is completely loony. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya that year, and the Kenyan government says that it investigated whether or not Obama was born there, and found that he was not born there). There is evidence, the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials in Hawaii of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 that Obama was born IN HAWAII.
Only birther "experts"---who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama's birth certificate.
The birther "experts" include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend (and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such "experts" as these that the birthers rely on for their case.
There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama's policies, but shows that the birther "experts" are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama's birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.
As for Sheriff Joe and his posse:
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...
and
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indict...

stating that it compared the image of Obama's birth certificate with the file copy (which is an additional confirmation that there was a file copy BTW) and that Obama was born there and that the facts match. The secretary of state of Arizona accepted this confirmation and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November. This indicates that he does not believe the claims that the birth certificate is forged (including those of Sheriff Joe) and that he does believe the officials in Hawaii.
I saw it honey, nice try. Go to wnd everybody they have it ALL right there in dozens of articles, displays, forensic analysis and everything else. Don't take my word for it, see it for yourself.

Arpaio and Zullo are 100% correct. And so are all the experts in law enforcement on taking apart and deconstructing the documents that were photoshopped. You can have 45+ layers on a copy of a bc. Hawaii lied and they know it. I am from there, and we all know it.

All of you argument here are wrong, but it would take days to educate you if you could even understand it. Your argument about AZ is also completely wrong, I go there all the time, and that guy you mention did not even try to get the originals. Arpaio has everything, and this has been well documented and sent on to Congress at the RNC where he met with them.

Keep trying your best, you are obviously a shill for obama, one of the penny-a-post crowd, but you are completely wrong about all of your facts here. They are sound bites that show your ignorance.

Again, I am from Hawaii and know the entire story, you are posting the coverup. The guy from AZ did nothing but ask a question, he saw none of he documents. Nice try.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#118403 Oct 18, 2012
Guru wrote:
<quoted text>
I saw it honey, nice try. Go to wnd everybody they have it ALL right there in dozens of articles, displays, forensic analysis and everything else. Don't take my word for it, see it for yourself.
Arpaio and Zullo are 100% correct. And so are all the experts in law enforcement on taking apart and deconstructing the documents that were photoshopped. You can have 45+ layers on a copy of a bc. Hawaii lied and they know it. I am from there, and we all know it.
All of you argument here are wrong, but it would take days to educate you if you could even understand it. Your argument about AZ is also completely wrong, I go there all the time, and that guy you mention did not even try to get the originals. Arpaio has everything, and this has been well documented and sent on to Congress at the RNC where he met with them.
Keep trying your best, you are obviously a shill for obama, one of the penny-a-post crowd, but you are completely wrong about all of your facts here. They are sound bites that show your ignorance.
Again, I am from Hawaii and know the entire story, you are posting the coverup. The guy from AZ did nothing but ask a question, he saw none of he documents. Nice try.
And you are obviously someone who hates Obama. You have not cited any facts proving that Sheriff Joe is accurate. You only say that you think that he is, yet the cited articles show that he is wrong.

Moreover, you claim that the birth certificate is forged, and you do so only by citing "birther experts"---whose expertise has not been proven, some of whom are nutty, and the others are zealots who hate Obama, often to the extent of claiming that Obama did not attend Columbia College despite the fact that Columbia University says that he did, and graduated.

When Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review call call birthers crazy, and when the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona asks Hawaii to confirm that it has Obama's birth certificate on file and to confirm various facts on the birth certificate, and it does (and in fact confirms ALL of the facts on the birth certificate), and the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona rules that that is evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, then you have to realize that your cause is lost.
Obama is a joke

Emmaus, PA

#118404 Oct 18, 2012
I can't believe that this is still an issue.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#118405 Oct 18, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "he lied to Hawaii about being born there where you are at. he lied, and all of his documents PROVE that. Even as brilliant law enforcement proved it right before our eyes, on live TV, and with over 1200 forensic tests proved the documents were fraudulent,-NONE OF THE TESTS WERE POSITIVE!- obama KEPT telling you "don't believe that!"
There is NO evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than in the USA (The “born-in-Kenya” myth is completely loony. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya that year, and the Kenyan government says that it investigated whether or not Obama was born there, and found that he was not born there). There is evidence, the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials in Hawaii of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 that Obama was born IN HAWAII.
Only birther "experts"---who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama's birth certificate.
The birther "experts" include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend (and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such "experts" as these that the birthers rely on for their case.
There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama's policies, but shows that the birther "experts" are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama's birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.
As for Sheriff Joe and his posse:
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...
and
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indict...
It is clear that rational conservatives do not believe the "birth certificate was forged" claims. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review certainly do not.
And the conservative secretary of ste does believe the officials in Hawaii.
I looked at that site you posted, what a bunch of crap! No sourcing, no data that wasn't constructed by theory of some guy with no cred. Nice try lady. I'll take 100+ years law enforcement in Arpaio/Zullo the others, and my knowledge of both of these guys from experience, as well as the ops in Hawaii any day over this hack that you listed here. Again, nice try, but you also overlook the over 1200 tests that were conducted on his bc and they all fail. All of them. not one test passed for obama.

Added to that his totally mangled Selective service card that has a cut up and fipped upside down 8 to look like a 6, and no 1 or 9 for the year on it- is just all the proof you need. It is laughable. Add to that the fact that obama's stolen SS# doesn't pass E-verify, and you see the point. The fact that he hides all of his records is all you need to know, and he spends $4M+ on that alone. Who the hell does that if it is real? You can't answer that or make sense out of that I am sure. Add also that the US records for travel the entire week he was born have suddenly gone missing, and no others. Again, messes with your coverup huh lady? lol...no, no matter how you spin it, it all leads to massive forgery, fraud, and coverup.

I can shred everyone of your attempts here woman, but it would take me all night. You answer the above, then I will take you apart some more tomorrow. I am also in AZ all the time, and know of Arpaio very well.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#118406 Oct 18, 2012
Re: "Hawaii lied."

One of the people who would have lied then would be the former Republican governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, now running for US Senate. Why would she have lied? Why would Hawaii issue a short-form birth certificate (which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, by the way) for Obama back in 2007---when he was not famous at all?

Moreover, you have to explain the fact that a birth notice for Obama was sent to the Hawaii newspapers' "Health Bureau Statistics" section (which as the name shows was only for lists from the DOH) by the DOH in 1961. In 1961 the DOH was not allowed to issue birth certificates to someone who was not born in Hawaii.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#118407 Oct 18, 2012
Guru wrote:
<quoted text>
I saw it honey, nice try. Go to wnd everybody they have it ALL right there in dozens of articles, displays, forensic analysis and everything else. Don't take my word for it, see it for yourself.
Arpaio and Zullo are 100% correct. And so are all the experts in law enforcement on taking apart and deconstructing the documents that were photoshopped. You can have 45+ layers on a copy of a bc. Hawaii lied and they know it. I am from there, and we all know it.
All of you argument here are wrong, but it would take days to educate you if you could even understand it. Your argument about AZ is also completely wrong, I go there all the time, and that guy you mention did not even try to get the originals. Arpaio has everything, and this has been well documented and sent on to Congress at the RNC where he met with them.
Keep trying your best, you are obviously a shill for obama, one of the penny-a-post crowd, but you are completely wrong about all of your facts here. They are sound bites that show your ignorance.
Again, I am from Hawaii and know the entire story, you are posting the coverup. The guy from AZ did nothing but ask a question, he saw none of he documents. Nice try.
correction: it should read: you CAN'T have 45 layers...
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#118408 Oct 18, 2012
Obama is a joke wrote:
I can't believe that this is still an issue.
It is about as much an issue as this is:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#118409 Oct 18, 2012
Guru wrote:
<quoted text>
correction: it should read: you CAN'T have 45 layers...
Layers are normal in pdf. That is the way that it works, and in complex documents there are many layers. This was a scan of a complex document on security paper.

Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#118410 Oct 18, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
And you are obviously someone who hates Obama. You have not cited any facts proving that Sheriff Joe is accurate. You only say that you think that he is, yet the cited articles show that he is wrong.
Moreover, you claim that the birth certificate is forged, and you do so only by citing "birther experts"---whose expertise has not been proven, some of whom are nutty, and the others are zealots who hate Obama, often to the extent of claiming that Obama did not attend Columbia College despite the fact that Columbia University says that he did, and graduated.
When Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review call call birthers crazy, and when the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona asks Hawaii to confirm that it has Obama's birth certificate on file and to confirm various facts on the birth certificate, and it does (and in fact confirms ALL of the facts on the birth certificate), and the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona rules that that is evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, then you have to realize that your cause is lost.
OK, I see you are here, I'll go a few more rounds with you before I sleep...

It so happens I voted FOR obama. I don't hate him, but I realized long ago that he is a creature of habit: lies, forgeries like he and his friend Ayers bragged about, his connections and upbringing, in fact his whole life story, are filled with constructs, like his books, which talks about his "girlfriends", all made up, etc. He does this for a living, and has been ripped so many times for his lies it is sickening. The debate last night was classis...he lies about everything, from the oil debates with Mitt, he cut them 62% and 35% on the permits, drilling, etc. He lied. He also lied about the coverup on Libya. Now he is trying to create another lie which Mitt got on the record, and now will be obama's undoing on the next debate. He lied so hard, he made Crowly reiterate it. The transcripts already showed he lied about Libya being terrorism, he never mentioned it, and if he did know on dayone in the Rose Garden, why did he then spend the next 14 days saying it was the movie 6 times at the UN, sending out Ambassador Rice on 5 shows on a Sunday saying it was not terrorism, had Clinton do the same, and take out TV time in Benghazi saying it was not terrorism but a movie, and going on the View to lie again in front of millions.

Well lade, your here just perjured himself in front of the world, that will all be item #1 next debate.

Lets see you spin that one honey.
Guru

Canyon Country, CA

#118411 Oct 18, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "Hawaii lied."
One of the people who would have lied then would be the former Republican governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, now running for US Senate. Why would she have lied? Why would Hawaii issue a short-form birth certificate (which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, by the way) for Obama back in 2007---when he was not famous at all?
Moreover, you have to explain the fact that a birth notice for Obama was sent to the Hawaii newspapers' "Health Bureau Statistics" section (which as the name shows was only for lists from the DOH) by the DOH in 1961. In 1961 the DOH was not allowed to issue birth certificates to someone who was not born in Hawaii.
those are not hard for me to answer.

IF Lingle saw it, which I doubt, she is trying for re-election for office again right now. If she said that she would lose. She was also on her way out at the time. The guy in there now, albercrumbs as we call the midget hippie, could not find it, just the reference to the 1961 article in the paper. That is also a common practice in Hawaii for people to put it in the paper. people from Japan do it by the thousands, or used to, and it is done for reasons which I will describe now. Back in the day a US citizenship was a good thing to have- still is. But then, all you had to do was ask for a posting in the paper. Birth certificates were given on word only (you should know this), and could be done retroactively for decades. The Japanese did it routinely and then they would move over to the islands. As Arpaio said, it is a huge national security issue because in HI people can be born in an outlying area without a physician present. remember, HI did not become a state until 1959. My home there was built with almost no buildings codes. Things were not done like they are here now. So, you could walk into any office and fill out an afidavit and get a birth certificate. People did that 50 years after their birth routinely and HI being HI say- OK! That was before terrorism like we have now. They would also routinely send over the date to the newspaers who would publish it without question. People would routinely put thing in the paper from Japan! and ask for a bc later when they got there. All legal. All legit in HI.

BTW....obama's more never was at either of the two hospitals that obama claimed that he was born at. Two hospitals! His "fathers" were construct too- they keep changing. Ever notice that? The list goes on and on, but his whole life is a lie. He is being swamped with this reality now. He lies for the event he is at. They he gets caught, and tells more lies. But they are catching up to him now, and people don't believe him anymore, that is why the polls are all going to Mitt now. Like I said, the American people don't like to be lied to by their president. Remember, I voted for him the first time, before I researched any of this. Too bad for this country that nobody ever vetted him, and the dems admitted under Congressional review. It is testimony, and it is on the record.

Forgive my typos here...it is late and I won't check them now.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#118412 Oct 18, 2012
Guru wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, I see you are here, I'll go a few more rounds with you before I sleep...
It so happens I voted FOR obama. I don't hate him, but I realized long ago that he is a creature of habit: lies, forgeries like he and his friend Ayers bragged about, his connections and upbringing, in fact his whole life story, are filled with constructs, like his books, which talks about his "girlfriends", all made up, etc. He does this for a living, and has been ripped so many times for his lies it is sickening. The debate last night was classis...he lies about everything, from the oil debates with Mitt, he cut them 62% and 35% on the permits, drilling, etc. He lied. He also lied about the coverup on Libya. Now he is trying to create another lie which Mitt got on the record, and now will be obama's undoing on the next debate. He lied so hard, he made Crowly reiterate it. The transcripts already showed he lied about Libya being terrorism, he never mentioned it, and if he did know on dayone in the Rose Garden, why did he then spend the next 14 days saying it was the movie 6 times at the UN, sending out Ambassador Rice on 5 shows on a Sunday saying it was not terrorism, had Clinton do the same, and take out TV time in Benghazi saying it was not terrorism but a movie, and going on the View to lie again in front of millions.
Well lade, your here just perjured himself in front of the world, that will all be item #1 next debate.
Lets see you spin that one honey.
We were discussing whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii. If the American people believe that Obama lied about saying that it was terrorism they will vote against him, and that is fine with me. That is a normal thing to do if you think that someone is a liar, and you do not feel that his opponent is a liar too.

The election will be decided on such matters and on the economy.

But Obama was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate from Hawaii shows. There is no reason to believe that Hawaii issued a birth certificate to Obama in 2007, when he was hardly known, unless there actually was an original birth certificate in its files, and there is no reason that it would say that Obama was born in Honolulu unless Obama actually was born in Honolulu.

The fact that Hawaii sent birth certificates (short and long forms) to Obama and that the original is in its files and that the facts on Obama's published long form are exactly the same as those on the birth certificate in the files has been confirmed repeatedly by the officials in Hawaii. Officials of both parties have confirmed the birth certificate, and it is further confirmed by the fact that the DOH of Hawaii sent birth notices to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.

There is absolutely no evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than in Hawaii, and if he were actually born in a foreign country there would have to be evidence.

It should be obvious that a child born outside of the USA requires either a US visa on a foreign passport or to be entered on the mother’s US passport to get to the USA. This is not only the case now, it was the case in the 1960s as well.

Those documents or the applications for them would still exist and would have been found easily IF Obama was born outside of the USA. But no such document has been found.

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