BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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SHEEPLE Buster wrote:
Damn, unbelievable!
Almost an hour and no SHEEPLE posts.
Sleep tight cause Romney is right.
See ya tomorrow.
As usual, reading comprehension not too high.

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Damn, another Fracking earth quake. This one in Maine!!! Ever since they started fracking everywhere, there have been Fracking earth quakes everywhere!!!
I mean, just look at that Fracking earth quake in Virginia that fracked the Geo. Wash. Memorial and the fracked National Cathedral. Next thing you know, California will frack away from the other 48 contiguous states! Come to think of that, that may not be a fracking bad thing!
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...she is carrying his baby?
Well, 1) she mentioned it first and 2) Obama must've somehow known what he said at the rose garden press conference, no?. But I know, according to salivating and fabricating birthers, that Obama must've had a little get-together with Candy Crowley before the debate, as he did with Chief Justice John Roberts before his 2009 inauguration.

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Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Of course he cherry-picks his numbers. He's a politician trying to win re-election. How about Romney stating he'll keep jobs and industry at home even though he's himself exported thousands of jobs to China and Mexico. Talk about cherry-picking! At least, Obama's claim has some truth to it, whereas Romney's, well, he'd have to undo what he did, bring his companies back.
Ah Tinkle Toes, progressive laws exported those jobs. Just like the phosphorus mines that the EPA shut down three years ago here in the U.S. Philips Lighting use to buy $50M of American mined phosphorus for their phosphorescent light bulbs but now they have to buy their phosphorus from China for ......$300M!!! Philips did now cause those American mines to shut down, Obama's EPA did!!!
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Ah Tinkle Toes, progressive laws exported those jobs. Just like the phosphorus mines that the EPA shut down three years ago here in the U.S. Philips Lighting use to buy $50M of American mined phosphorus for their phosphorescent light bulbs but now they have to buy their phosphorus from China for ......$300M!!! Philips did now cause those American mines to shut down, Obama's EPA did!!!
Romney owned those mines and the Philips company? I see.

And it wasn't the slave wages paid to Chinese workers that lured these people to China, noooo, it was the EPA. Darn it, who knew? Oh, and what's wrong with me? The unions. Those same damn unions that are entirely responsible for the whole world's actual econimic mess. And the EPA.

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As late as 13 days after the attack, the president was speaking with the hostesses of The View, refusing to call anything terrorism.

Crowley, to her credit, later admitted on a CNN panel that Romney's debate answer about Libya was right, though she still said he "picked the wrong word." He didn't. Precise semantics matter in diplomacy. Obama never directly condemned the attacks as terror in the Rose Garden and his aides said the exact opposite. But Crowley tried to fact-check Romney, came up short, and gave left-wing blogs days of laughing gas.("ROMNEY SHOT DOWN IN DEBATE FACT CHECK" goes the current Huffington Post headline.)
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/10/17/romn...

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The Gay Patriot .... the Internet home for the American Gay Conservative

8:23: Romney is able to stay relaxed while dominating. Crowley and Obama both seem cranked up and stressed.

8:25: A question about taxes. Romney is clear and focused. Obama’s over there on the chair, hunkered down, crouching, oddly. Hey, Jaltcoh is live-blogging. Check it out.

8:31:“Governor Romney, I’m sure you have an answer,” Crowley almost snarks. Her bias shows. She prompts Obama, suggesting the substance of the answer. Now, this doesn’t really help Obama. It makes Romney look more dominant, and we get the impression that Obama needs a boost. It’s actually patronizing.

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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Ah Tinkle Toes, progressive laws exported those jobs. Just like the phosphorus mines that the EPA shut down three years ago here in the U.S. Philips Lighting use to buy $50M of American mined phosphorus for their phosphorescent light bulbs but now they have to buy their phosphorus from China for ......$300M!!! Philips did now cause those American mines to shut down, Obama's EPA did!!!
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Romney owned those mines and the Philips company? I see.
And it wasn't the slave wages paid to Chinese workers that lured these people to China, noooo, it was the EPA. Darn it, who knew? Oh, and what's wrong with me? The unions. Those same damn unions that are entirely responsible for the whole world's actual econimic mess. And the EPA.
You have a reading comprehension problem!!! What does, " ... progressive laws exported those jobs. Just like...", mean to you? I was using Philips Lighting and the phosphorus mines as EXAMPLES!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

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Sorry Ellen, but the people who's opinions actually matter say you are an idiot:
Senator Jacob Howard (Aided in drafting the 14th Amendment)
"The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."
Senator Lymann Trumbull (chairman judiciary committee)replies:
"[T]he provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."
Senator Jacob Howard concurs:
" I concur entirely with the honorable Senator from Illinois [Trumbull], in holding that the word "jurisdiction," as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now."
Rep. John Bingham (Considered the father of the 14th Amendment) States:
"[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen"
Too bad the birfoon does not comprehend the passages he has pasted. All three, Bingham, Trumbull, and Howard consistently adhered to the jus soli doctrine and clearly stated so. All three understood ordinary aliens in the US to owe allegiance, albeit temporary, to the United States, and that only certain excepted classes of individuals, such as foreign ambassadors and their families, were not considered under the COMPLETE jurisdiction of the United States while within limits of this country. Ordinary aliens in the US OWE allegiance to the US until they return to their home country.

That is the law as it was and still is. Make believe law doesn't count.
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Re: "the 14th is the Civil Rights Act."
Answer: NO, it is not.
Re: "You can't be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" if you are subject to any foreign power."
Answer. Since everyone who is in the USA except for foreign diplomats is subject to the jurisdiction, people who are foreigners visiting our country and both legal and illegal aliens are just as subject to the jurisdiction as US citizens.
Re: "Sorry, well known fact, the US Constitution is the jurisdiction,thereof."
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Funny that my silly, uneducated interpretation of jurisdiction is exactly what is contained in the 14th and the CRA of 1866. Imagine that Girdle Buns! Hmmm, you just got clownstomped. LMAO pigeon
According to the US Supreme Court, which is the highest authority on what the law means, you are wrong. Every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is born within the jurisdiction of the USA. That means that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
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Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Romney owned those mines and the Philips company? I see.
And it wasn't the slave wages paid to Chinese workers that lured these people to China, noooo, it was the EPA. Darn it, who knew? Oh, and what's wrong with me? The unions. Those same damn unions that are entirely responsible for the whole world's actual econimic mess. And the EPA.
Where do you get this crap from? Romney owned those companies? Where was that even mentioned? You flappers really do have comprehension issues. Obama's failed policies are his biggest weakness. He can't defend his own record and that will sink him.

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<quoted text>Wish-full thinking, Puss!
Oh, what ever happen to that dual-citizenship, that would have made Obama subject to a foreign power.
As you know the US government can't strip away citizenship of other nations, unless the individual request naturalization.
Aliens have never been under the jurisdiction of the Constitution, to do so would make them citizens without naturalization.
Naďve play law doesn't count. Operation of foreign law has no force or effect in the US and it most certainly cannot interfere with birthright citizenship in this country for a person born here.

Birthright citizenship in the US does not "strip away" citizenship by descent in a foreign country. Such a person is free to go to the consulate of the foreign country in which he holds citizenship apply for a passport and use it anywhere, except in the US.

The birfoon, on the contrary, believes that the US is not a sovereign nation as operation of foreign law should void birthright US citizenship. Ludicrous.

<><><>< ><><><> <><><>< ><><><>

Suppose a German man and Irish woman have a child while residing in New York? According to US law the child is a US citizen. According to German law, she is a German citizen, and according to Irish law, she is an Irish citizen. She is entitled to passports from all three countries. None of the countries may invalidate her citizenship in any other country.

Does the birfoon think that Ireland by issuing a passport recognizing her Irish citizenship "strips away" her German citizenship? Does the birfoon think that Germany similarly "strips away" her Irish citizenship? meanwhile the birfoon believes Germany may invalidate her US citizenship.

Just plain crazy.

Grow up.
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Overturned according to play law.
Persons born in the US of ordinary aliens are born under the jurisdiction of the US and are not "subject to a foreign power."
That's settled law. Play law doesn't count.
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Ellen1 wrote:
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According to the US Supreme Court, which is the highest authority on what the law means, you are wrong. Every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is born within the jurisdiction of the USA. That means that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Ellen, we've already established that you cannot read. Why do you only name one exception? Children of foreign diplomats is just one exception, please list the others as well.

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Where do you get this crap from? Romney owned those companies? Where was that even mentioned? You flappers really do have comprehension issues. Obama's failed policies are his biggest weakness. He can't defend his own record and that will sink him.
In the beginning EPA, OSHA, etc.were actually trying to improve things, and they have. But they are at the point of justifying their positions. In an attempt to remain relevant, they must continue to find new issues to "fix"!
It is like the NAACP. If they ever succeed in ending racism, they will no longer be needed and they can't have that. So they must continue to find racism while ignoring racism against the non-minority.
Yep, CO2 is bad so we must eliminate it ... and then plants will die .... and then animals will have nothing to eat so they too will die! And that is a good thing!
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Damn, another Fracking earth quake. This one in Maine!!! Ever since they started fracking everywhere, there have been Fracking earth quakes everywhere!!!
I mean, just look at that Fracking earth quake in Virginia that fracked the Geo. Wash. Memorial and the fracked National Cathedral. Next thing you know, California will frack away from the other 48 contiguous states! Come to think of that, that may not be a fracking bad thing!
I hope California fracks at Yucaipa.

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Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Well, 1) she mentioned it first and 2) Obama must've somehow known what he said at the rose garden press conference, no?. But I know, according to salivating and fabricating birthers, that Obama must've had a little get-together with Candy Crowley before the debate, as he did with Chief Justice John Roberts before his 2009 inauguration.
As late as 13 days after the attack, the president was speaking with the hostesses of The View, refusing to call anything terrorism.

Crowley, to her credit, later admitted on a CNN panel that Romney's debate answer about Libya was right, though she still said he "picked the wrong word." He didn't. Precise semantics matter in diplomacy. Obama never directly condemned the attacks as terror in the Rose Garden and his aides said the exact opposite. But Crowley tried to fact-check Romney, came up short, and gave left-wing blogs days of laughing gas.("ROMNEY SHOT DOWN IN DEBATE FACT CHECK" goes the current Huffington Post headline.)
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/10/17/romn ...
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Yep, Mitt was debating both Candy Crowley and Eye Candy at the same time!
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I don't think you flappers understand the difference between jurisdiction and allegiance.

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From sidelines, debate moderator Crowley becomes part of story; By Samuel P. Jacobs | Reuters –

HEMPSTEAD, New York (Reuters)- As in pro football this season, many of the noisiest complaints after political debates have been directed not at the participants, but at the referees.

http://news.yahoo.com/sidelines-debate-modera...
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MEDIA: OBAMA 'WINS DEBATE BEFORE IT EVEN STARTS'
'He would have to set his hair on fire' to lose

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/media-obama-wins-d...

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