BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Oh, I have worked with more than a few Mormons. CW3 Doug Eschler was a friend of mine.
http://news.google.com/newspapers...
Oh, we can thank OSHA for the death of Doug and 45 others in that crash, the Worlds most deadly helicopter crash!
Oh, Doug's wife was seldom seen at ladies events and they had just had their fifth child when Doug was killed!
Sooo, don't try to out-Mormon me either!!!
On this day in 1924, Senator Magnus Johnson was delivering a speech when those in the crowd burst into laughter. Magnus had just told the crowd that this was the first time he had ever given a speech while standing on the Republican Platform.

...at the time, Magnus was standing on a manure spreader...
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Oh, I have worked with more than a few Mormons. CW3 Doug Eschler was a friend of mine.
http://news.google.com/newspapers...
Oh, we can thank OSHA for the death of Doug and 45 others in that crash, the Worlds most deadly helicopter crash!
Oh, Doug's wife was seldom seen at ladies events and they had just had their fifth child when Doug was killed!
Sooo, don't try to out-Mormon me either!!!
SO the Lifer knows one Mormon and that makes him an expert.....that's the way Lifer Logic is.
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Okay, let's assume Obama was born in Hawaii which makes him a US citizen. He is adopted by his step father and goes to school in Indonesia. Indonesia required you to be a citizen of that nation to go to school there which he did, so he technically gave up his citizenship but US law says he doesn't lose his US citizenship if he was a minor when this occurred so he is still a US citizen. So far, so good, Democrats cheer, give high fives, sneer at birthers.
Retired U.S.Postal Worker Allen Hulton recently signed a sworn affidavit for the Maricopa County, Arizona Cold Case Posse convened by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, attesting under oath, to conversations with Mary Ayers, the mother of Bill Ayers. He made his testimony public in a three hour long taped interviewed on March 19th, 2012. Mr. Hutton, by signing an affidavit has subjected himself to laws regarding perjury, not something to be taken lightly as telling the truth is now for him a requirement of law.
His testimony states Mary and Tom Ayers , parents of the former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, were sponsoring Barack Obama as a foreign student, and financially supporting his education.. Ayers and Obama worked together in the Annenberg Challenge Project in Chicago. as well as the Woods Fund of Chicago.
If Hulton is correct, and Obama was introduced to Hulton as a Foreign Student, this means Barack Hussein Obama would have been using a Foreign Passport to get and prove his foreign student status for entrance into Occidental College, Columbia, and later Harvard Universities. Because Hulton has signed an Affidavit, this cannot be disregarded as mere hearsay; it is instead evidentiary in nature.Barack Obama
The significance of this development may not be immediately apparent until one recognizes American law regarding citizenship status. Citizenship laws as expressed in Title 8 of the United States Code states the use of a Foreign Passport constitutes adult recognition of relinquishment of American Citizenship:
8 USC 1481
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; 8 USC 1481
Using a foreign passport in order to obtain status as a foreign student is precisely that, proof of naturalization in a foreign state making him ineligible to hold the office of president of the United States.
Obama's team of lawyers squashed a subpoena to have his Occidental College records released. Obama paid the Perkins Cole law firm $683,316.42 in the first quarter of 2009 to keep those records from being released. That’s on top of the $378,375.52 he paid them in the last quarter of 2008.
In contrast, Romney released all his college records.
Birthers cheer, Democrats blame it on Bush, Obama listens to three hours of non stop Wagner music and declares war on Poland , Bill Ayers, self confessed Social Security card forger, builds a pipe bomb and explodes it at the Pentagon for old time's sake and Joe Biden sacrifices himself for his president by declaring he is a Kenyan.
Answer: There is no evidence that he was adopted (which requires the action of a district court in Indonesia, so if he were adopted there would be a court document). More importantly, he was never a citizen of Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Indonesian embassy in Washington will confirm.

Re: "U.S.Postal Worker Allen Hulton .'

He could not have been referring to Obama as the "foreign student." Why not? Because Obama arrived in Chicago AFTER he had graduated from college and law school, so he was no longer a student.

A child cannot lose US citizenship.
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Birfoon: "or even any mention of the right to citizenship by birth under the United States Constitution"
See Lynch v. Clarke, which, incidentally was cited favorably by several federal courts, including the USSC.
“And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President.‘No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,’ &c. The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not.” Lynch v. Clarke, 3 NY Leg. Obs. 236, 246 (N.Y. Ch. 1844).
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Overturned by the Civil Rights Act of 1866, all persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power are citizens.

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And just why should we accept this Obama report? Almost every report that comes out of the Obama administration ... is revised negatively the following month?
Just look at last money U-3 Unemployment which Obama's people claimed dropped to 7.8% only to say a week later that California withheld data ... so we know it will be revised UPWARD after the election.
And now this report that revises August's Industrial report DOWNWARD from a -1.2% to a -1.4% and then claim that for September it climbed to +0.4! What will it be revised to AFTER the election???
Obama is a LIAR!!!

Industrial output rises 0.4 percent in September

Industrial production rose by 0.4 percent, the Federal Reserve said on Tuesday. Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast a 0.2 percent rise compared to a 1.4 percent decline in August. This was initially reported as a 1.2 percent drop.
http://news.yahoo.com/industrial-output-rises...

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Oh, I have worked with more than a few Mormons. CW3 Doug Eschler was a friend of mine.
http://news.google.com/newspapers ...
Oh, we can thank OSHA for the death of Doug and 45 others in that crash, the Worlds most deadly helicopter crash!
Oh, Doug's wife was seldom seen at ladies events and they had just had their fifth child when Doug was killed!
Sooo, don't try to out-Mormon me either!!!
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SO the Lifer knows one Mormon and that makes him an expert.....that's the way Lifer Logic is.
No, I have know several. Have you ever been in a Mormon Temple? How about a Jewish Synagogue? Ever have a Rabbi fix you lunch?
At Fort Hood, TX my office was a hundred yards from a Jewish Chapel and about once a week I would walk over for lunch and for a $1.75 Rabbi (Captain) Rand would fix me a kosher sandwich!

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More name-calling. That's okay. You do not get it. Without that card, the person, as opposed to a Canadian citizen, has no standing. He or she has to have that document. But, when he or she attains citizenship, it is no longer needed except when applying for a passport or social security. Card should, as a matter of fact, be put in a very secure place as it takes the place of a state-issued birth certificate. As I said in my previous post, do you carry your BC around with you all the time? Canada has not, and issues not formal I.D. What it does with foreigners is another matter.
What the hell does all this have to do with the fact that you denied Citizenship cards did not exist?
Did you know that you whine more than a fishwife?
Are you sure you're male?????

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SO the Lifer knows one Mormon and that makes him an expert.....that's the way Lifer Logic is.
And because you currently live in Kaliphonia you think you are a Mormon expert? I have invited Mormon missionaries into my house on two occasions. I just let them know I am happy with my religious beliefs but I did offer a glass of cold milk and some cookies. They were grateful and very polite.

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Oops I meant to say: What does all that have to do with the fact that you denied Citizenship Cards DO exist?
Sorry, I am multitasking here.
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President Starky wrote:
muslims are exempt from obamacare.
RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION:
"Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(D)(4)(H)of the patient protection and affordable care act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(G)(1)and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.
And so, of course, are Christian Scientists. Also, the Amish and Scientologists.
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Overturned by the Civil Rights Act of 1866, all persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power are citizens.
The words "and not subject to any foreign power" do not appear in the 14th Amendment. Only "subject to the jurisdiction", and that the US Supreme Court has ruled six to two (one not voting) refers to being born within the territory of the USA (except for the children of foreign diplomats).
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Hillary throws self under the bus! Why not, she has been running the nation for the past four years.
Yep, Obama has been nothing but a puppet.

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Boy Scout Law
A Scout is:
•Trustworthy,
•Loyal,
•Helpful,
•Friendly,
•Courteous,
•Kind,
•Obedient,
•Cheerful,
•Thrifty,
•Brave,
•Clean,
•and Reverent.
Yep, and Reverent. Do you know what that means? You do not seem very reverent towards Mormons!

A Scout is Trustworthy.
A Scout tells the truth. He is honest, and he keeps his promises. People can depend on him.
A Scout is Loyal.
A Scout is true to his family, friends, Scout leaders, school, and nation.
A Scout is Helpful.
A Scout cares about other people. He willingly volunteers to help others without expecting payment or reward.
A Scout is Friendly.
A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He offers his friendship to people of all races and nations, and respects them even if their beliefs and customs are different from his own.
A Scout is Courteous.
A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows that using good manners makes it easier for people to get along.
A Scout is Kind.
A Scout knows there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. Without good reason, he does not harm or kill any living thing.
A Scout is Obedient.
A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them.
A Scout is Cheerful.
A Scout looks for the bright side of life. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.
A Scout is Thrifty.
A Scout works to pay his own way and to help others. He saves for the future. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.
A Scout is Brave.
A Scout can face danger although he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at him or threaten him.
A Scout is Clean.
A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He chooses the company of those who live by high standards. He helps keep his home and community clean.
A Scout is Reverent.
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.
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And because you currently live in Kaliphonia you think you are a Mormon expert? I have invited Mormon missionaries into my house on two occasions. I just let them know I am happy with my religious beliefs but I did offer a glass of cold milk and some cookies. They were grateful and very polite.
I do not live in Kaliphonia....in fact I know of no Kaliphonia.....is it near Birtherville?
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Yep, and Reverent. Do you know what that means? You do not seem very reverent towards Mormons!
A Scout is Trustworthy.
A Scout tells the truth. He is honest, and he keeps his promises. People can depend on him.
A Scout is Loyal.
A Scout is true to his family, friends, Scout leaders, school, and nation.
A Scout is Helpful.
A Scout cares about other people. He willingly volunteers to help others without expecting payment or reward.
A Scout is Friendly.
A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He offers his friendship to people of all races and nations, and respects them even if their beliefs and customs are different from his own.
A Scout is Courteous.
A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows that using good manners makes it easier for people to get along.
A Scout is Kind.
A Scout knows there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. Without good reason, he does not harm or kill any living thing.
A Scout is Obedient.
A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them.
A Scout is Cheerful.
A Scout looks for the bright side of life. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.
A Scout is Thrifty.
A Scout works to pay his own way and to help others. He saves for the future. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.
A Scout is Brave.
A Scout can face danger although he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at him or threaten him.
A Scout is Clean.
A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He chooses the company of those who live by high standards. He helps keep his home and community clean.
A Scout is Reverent.
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.
Once again, the Lifer is stretching...

Hey, Thomas, the Boy Scouts have just released their 'pervert' files. Will we find your name among the files?
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News Flash...

Lifer knows TWO Mormons and has milk and cookies with another pair. This proves that the Lifer is an expert on all things Mormon.

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Johannes wrote:
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Once again, the Lifer is stretching...
Hey, Thomas, the Boy Scouts have just released their 'pervert' files. Will we find your name among the files?
How do you feel about muslim men?
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There is no determination for illegals!
They are deported right away.
Canadians have an identification card which denotes they are citizens.
Any illegal caught without it, is automatically deported.
They are not allowed back in the country without a citizenship card.
That is the legal way of doing it.
There are many people from India, Africa and Middle Eastern countries that think they can easily gain entrance into the USA by going through Canada, but a monkey wrench is thrown into their plans once they are caught without a citizenship card.
Wow Jock, you claim you know more about the USA than we do.
Well, I just proved that I know more about Canada than you do.
The American healthcare system is the best in the entire world.
It only became apparent to cry babies that it was supposedly bad.
The gubbermint is expected to pay for everything the freeloaders want, but the morons don't understand. It's not free!
Someone pays for it.
Anthing you get from the government is something that someone paid for.
I'd rather pay for my own things, thank you.
Please, stay in Canada.
See above : "Canadians have an identification card which denotes they are citizens."

If we were born Canadian citizens, we DO NOT HAVE A CITIZENSHIP card or any kind of government-issued I.D. card. But you said "Canadians", no? See above, I just quoted you.

Again, let me explain how it works :

1. There are no Canadian I.D. cards. So, your statement, to wit, "Canadians have an identification card which denotes they are citizens" is incorrect;

2. Canadians, like Americans, NEED proof of birth in country which, except for diplomats, automatically confers Canadian citizenship, to apply for a passport, social security, etc. But they don't carry it around with them, they don't want to lose it, too much red tape to get a new one. And, like the US, the cops canNOT ask your for I.D., any I.D., unless you've broken the law or under suspicion of having done so;

3. An immigrant lands in Canada. He is legal. He is issued a landed immigrant visa card which regulates his status in Canada. He needs it to apply for universal health care, perhaps when applying for a driver's license and to visit another country, paired to his/her passport of country where he/she originates;

4. When landed immigrant, after 3 years' residence, applies and is granted citizenship, he/she is given the certificate (not accepted as proof of citizenship to obtain ppt or documents) AND a citizenship card which is utilized to obtain ppt and other official stuff. As said before, it takes the place of a birth certificate as that person was not born in Canada. That card need not be carried by holder any more than YOU have to carry your birth certificate around . It is NOT an I.D. card and when travelling outside Canada, he/she will use his/her passport, the citizenship card can safely stay at home.

5. Again, I will not name-call you or throw cheap insults around. Do you get it now?

PS : Oh, you also said that your Canadian expert friend figured you would not want our socialized health care system in the U.S. When you see him next, would you mention that survey that says 90% of Canadians approve of their universal health care? Same for over 400 million in Europe. Oops, are they all wrong? Are they all lying?

PPS: LIES. That word is always on the tip of your tongue. When you were growing up, were you often accused of lying? Has that stuck with you? I ask, simply because any thing you hear from your detractors seems to be a lie to you. So much so that I suppose the weatherman never errs when he forecasts the weather incorrectly. I can just hear you : "Damn weatherman, he said it'd be sunny today and it's cloudy. He lied again". Is that how it goes? Someone can at at times be wrong, Sioux, doesn't mean they lied. Like you, you were wrong on this I.D. thing. Did I accuse you of lying? No, you were just wrong, is all. Same for universal health care. Wrong.
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STOP NAFTA!

October 1993

Once again, libertarians and conservatives are being played for suckers. And once again, free-market think-tanks and alleged devotees of "free trade" are serving as point-men and front-men for a sinister centrist Establishment whose devotion to freedom and free trade is somewhat akin to Leonid Brezhnev's. The last time that "free market economists" played such a repugnant role was in the 1986 "tax reform," engineered by Jacobin egalitarian economists in the name of "fairness," "equality," and free markets.(Tip: genuine free markets have nothing to do with "equality," and nothing whatever to do with modern leftist notions of "fairness.") The "social compact" devised by the 1986 Republican Jacobins was to cut upper income tax rates in exchange for "closing the loopholes," "broadening the tax base," and thereby keeping everything "revenue neutral." (Query: what's so great about keeping tax revenues up, the eternal aim of supply siders? Why not drastically lower tax rates and tax revenues? Isn't that the real free-market position?)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch20.h...
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Johannes wrote:
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I know more history that you because:
1) I graduated high school....you didn't
2) I graduated college...you didn't
3) I graduated grad school...you didn't
4) I have a library of over 6000 books...you don't
5) I read whenever possible...you don't
6) I'm intelligent...you're not
7) I understand what I read....you don't
8) I understand the history and the impact....you don't
HaHaHaHaHaHa!!!! How petty and immature of you, pops! LMAO!!!!!

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