BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117909 Oct 16, 2012
(From the Conference of Catholic Bishops – This statement is being distributed at all Roman Catholic Churches in the United States during the month of October at the direction of the Bishops of the United States.):
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We vote because we are citizens. But we vote conscientiously because we are people of faith. Our consciences are formed through studying Scripture and the teachings of the Church, examination of the facts, and prayerful reflection. This brief statement is intended as a starting point to help us respond to our choices in the current political landscape.
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While there are many moral issues before us, EVERY ISSUE IS NOT EQUAL.
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Issues that directly affect human lives-such as abortion and euthanasia-are fundamental and demand serious consideration. When both parties support abortion – even when greatly limited – Roman Catholics must base their vote on the other fundamental issues.
The growing disparity between rich and poor means most of the world's resources are in the hands of a small percentage of its people. We have an obligation to vote for those candidates who will distribute the nation’s income and wealth to the poorest and most vulnerable among us.
Our Constitution heralds religious liberty in the First Amendment, yet increasingly people of faith have to fight to retain this basic right.
The millions of undocumented persons living in the United States deserve our compassion. There is an immigration problem, and we must support those candidates who will grant amnesty to those who wish to remain in the United States to avail themselves of our schools and healthcare system.
There is a move in the nation to redefine marriage. The marriage of a man and a woman is the foundation of the family and an essential core element of a flourishing society.
War, terror, and violence have caused thousands of lost lives. We must work for just solutions to conflict in the Holy Land, throughout the Middle East, and beyond, and cannot support the candidates of any party that has initiated military intervention in foreign lands.
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As Catholic citizens, we should remember three things:
1. Respect for the dignity of each person is the core of Catholic social and moral teaching. This is our most basic principle. This is why all of the citizens’ income and wealth must be fairly distributed to those who cannot or will not work to live in reasonable earthly comfort.
2. We focus on the common good, not our own personal interests. We ask, how can we make the world a better place? Not, how can I improve my own personal situation by voting for lower taxes and against the distribution of income and wealth to the poorest and most vulnerable among us including those who are called undocumented?
3. We have a responsibility-a true obligation-to form our consciences and participate in the civic life of this nation.
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The dual calling of faith and citizenship lies at the heart of what it means to be a Catholic in the United States. We stand on the shoulders of many Catholics who have gone before us, who have helped the United States of America become a better country because of their faith in a loving God and the mandate of economic and social justice.
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Catholics Care. Catholics Vote. We care. Therefore, we vote.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117910 Oct 16, 2012
Ellen, how do you interpret the following?

“All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#117911 Oct 16, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Yep, and Reverent. Do you know what that means? You do not seem very reverent towards Mormons!
A Scout is Trustworthy.
A Scout tells the truth. He is honest, and he keeps his promises. People can depend on him.
A Scout is Loyal.
A Scout is true to his family, friends, Scout leaders, school, and nation.
A Scout is Helpful.
A Scout cares about other people. He willingly volunteers to help others without expecting payment or reward.
A Scout is Friendly.
A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He offers his friendship to people of all races and nations, and respects them even if their beliefs and customs are different from his own.
A Scout is Courteous.
A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows that using good manners makes it easier for people to get along.
A Scout is Kind.
A Scout knows there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. Without good reason, he does not harm or kill any living thing.
A Scout is Obedient.
A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them.
A Scout is Cheerful.
A Scout looks for the bright side of life. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.
A Scout is Thrifty.
A Scout works to pay his own way and to help others. He saves for the future. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.
A Scout is Brave.
A Scout can face danger although he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at him or threaten him.
A Scout is Clean.
A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He chooses the company of those who live by high standards. He helps keep his home and community clean.
A Scout is Reverent.
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.<quoted text>
You do not sound very reverent toward Mormons.
Lifer again demonstrating he knows nothing of the topic.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117912 Oct 16, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
In contrast, Romney released all his college records.
Where can we find them online?
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#117913 Oct 16, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
I know more history that you because:
1) I graduated high school....you didn't
2) I graduated college...you didn't
3) I graduated grad school...you didn't
4) I have a library of over 6000 books...you don't
5) I read whenever possible...you don't
6) I'm intelligent...you're not
7) I understand what I read....you don't
8) I understand the history and the impact....you don't
<quoted text>
I define people like as as Intellectual Idiots. A high IQ but a room temperature CQ! I wonder if he can walk and text at the same time without walking into something?
Me, I am smart enough to stop while I text!
I know exactly what you mean. Orly Taitz is a good example of a smart person with no common sense.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#117914 Oct 16, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>No such thing as lapsed, he has always been a citizen of his father's country. He has never been a dual-citizen, our constitution does not allow that status. He has never requested naturalization, this would indicate he is an alien.
Aliens have never been subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, this would put them on the same footing as a citizen, and we all know they are not.
So, you think the 14th isn't the Civil Rights Act, you better read your history again of the 14th.
And even Dale's hound dog looks at him, shakes his head and says to himself "the old fart has lost his mind"
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117915 Oct 16, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
So off yourself. LMAO
Sounds like you're in the process of offfing your own self. That's your choice....puff on! Fool.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117916 Oct 16, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
To qualify for a CDL you must read, write, speak and understand .... English and you are not allowed to have any assistance while taking the written exam yet the had over a thousand people in Southern Florida who knew almost no English driving commercial vehicles.
NO SO.
The examination is also administered en Espanol.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117917 Oct 16, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
(From the Conference of Catholic Bishops – This statement is being distributed at all Roman Catholic Churches in the United States during the month of October at the direction of the Bishops of the United States.):
=
We vote because we are citizens. But we vote conscientiously because we are people of faith. Our consciences are formed through studying Scripture and the teachings of the Church, examination of the facts, and prayerful reflection. This brief statement is intended as a starting point to help us respond to our choices in the current political landscape.
.
While there are many moral issues before us, EVERY ISSUE IS NOT EQUAL.
.
&#61611;Issues that directly affect human lives-such as abortion and euthanasia-are fundamental and demand serious consideration. When both parties support abortion – even when greatly limited – Roman Catholics must base their vote on the other fundamental issues.
&#61611;The growing disparity between rich and poor means most of the world's resources are in the hands of a small percentage of its people. We have an obligation to vote for those candidates who will distribute the nation’s income and wealth to the poorest and most vulnerable among us.
&#61611;Our Constitution heralds religious liberty in the First Amendment, yet increasingly people of faith have to fight to retain this basic right.
&#61611;The millions of undocumented persons living in the United States deserve our compassion. There is an immigration problem, and we must support those candidates who will grant amnesty to those who wish to remain in the United States to avail themselves of our schools and healthcare system.
&#61611;There is a move in the nation to redefine marriage. The marriage of a man and a woman is the foundation of the family and an essential core element of a flourishing society.
&#61611;War, terror, and violence have caused thousands of lost lives. We must work for just solutions to conflict in the Holy Land, throughout the Middle East, and beyond, and cannot support the candidates of any party that has initiated military intervention in foreign lands.
.
As Catholic citizens, we should remember three things:
1. Respect for the dignity of each person is the core of Catholic social and moral teaching. This is our most basic principle. This is why all of the citizens’ income and wealth must be fairly distributed to those who cannot or will not work to live in reasonable earthly comfort.
2. We focus on the common good, not our own personal interests. We ask, how can we make the world a better place? Not, how can I improve my own personal situation by voting for lower taxes and against the distribution of income and wealth to the poorest and most vulnerable among us including those who are called undocumented?
3. We have a responsibility-a true obligation-to form our consciences and participate in the civic life of this nation.
.
The dual calling of faith and citizenship lies at the heart of what it means to be a Catholic in the United States. We stand on the shoulders of many Catholics who have gone before us, who have helped the United States of America become a better country because of their faith in a loving God and the mandate of economic and social justice.
=
Catholics Care. Catholics Vote. We care. Therefore, we vote.
I must have missed your post showing a simple business model based on carrying a huge debt or have you not posted one? LMAO ticks on a tard.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#117918 Oct 16, 2012
Jacqus Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
This is absolutely incredible, American er hmm Lady. You definitely do not understand ONE single sentence, maybe a few words, that'sit, of what you have just cut and pasted. Don't you even care that people here KNOW you are totally incapable of reading and then comprehending what you foisted on poor captive Topix posters?
Do you even know what "Jacobin" means? The origin of the word? Will you at the very least google it? Can you pronounce it? It's French. Ohhhhh, must be a bad word if it's French, probably a kind of unholy sexual conotation.
The Power of Nonsense <<<<<----- >>>>> Jacobin
jacobinmag.com/2011/07/the-power-of-nonsense/... is what he means by “The Jacobin Spirit.” To elaborate: From 1970 to 1990 the revolutionary socialist Hal Draper devoted himself almost exclusively to ...

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American Lady

Danville, KY

#117919 Oct 16, 2012
DONATE

1.
We don't understand libel law.

2.
Our lawyers don't either.

3.
We'd like to trade in PBR for champagne.

4.
We won't send you a tote bag.

5.
We will send you a holiday card.

6.
And possibly some baked goods.

7.
We're an independent leftist magazine.

8.
In color.

9.
With pretty pictures.

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This is an excellent way to launder money.

http://jacobinmag.com/2011/07/the-power-of-no...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117920 Oct 16, 2012
I wonder why ALL the Flappers have been in such bad moods lately? LOL Could it be they know Omama is toast? I think so! Cracks me up. LMAO
American Lady

Danville, KY

#117921 Oct 16, 2012
Jacobin
Jac'o·bin noun [ French See 2d Jack , Jacobite .] 1.(Eccl. Hist.) A Dominican friar; -- so named because, before the French Revolution, that order had a convent in the Rue St. Jacques, Paris. 2. One of a society of...
Found op http://www.encyclo.co.uk/webster/J/2

jacobin
1. A Dominican friar; so named because, before the French Revolution, that order had a convent in the Rue St. Jacques, Paris.... 2. One of a society of violent agitators in France, during the revolution of 1789, who held secret meetings in the Jacobin convent in the Rue St. Jacques, Paris, and conc...
Found op http://www.mondofacto.com/facts/dictionary...

JACOBIN
at the end of the eighteenth century, a radical reformer and supporter (often used pejoratively) of the French Revolution (not to be confused with *Jacobites)
Found op http://www.earlymodernweb.org.uk/waleslaw/glo...

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Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#117922 Oct 16, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you feel about dog dicks?
Once again you confirm how childish you are.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#117923 Oct 16, 2012
LRS wrote:
I wonder why ALL the Flappers have been in such bad moods lately? LOL Could it be they know Omama is toast? I think so! Cracks me up. LMAO
Look around you, this has been going on since the previous election primaries.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117924 Oct 16, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again you confirm how childish you are.
Isn't that the truth! Whatever Pops has been into lately, it's not doing him any favors. I'm not sure he's mentally stable enough to accept the coming defeat of Omama. LOL

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#117925 Oct 16, 2012
Jacqus Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
See above : "Canadians have an identification card which denotes they are citizens."
Your spinning is boring the hell out of me, seriously.
I can't believe you actually took the time to type all that.
Wow. Talk about having no life.
Well I'm off to eat lunch now.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#117926 Oct 16, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again you confirm how childish you are.
Sorry, Anita, yes I do know childish behavior. It usually comes from YOU.

HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117927 Oct 16, 2012
Hey jacqazz, what do you know about the possibility of Omama being born in Canada? Is that the reason you're here? LMAO pigeon
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117928 Oct 16, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>No such thing as lapsed, he has always been a citizen of his father's country. He has never been a dual-citizen, our constitution does not allow that status. He has never requested naturalization, this would indicate he is an alien.
Aliens have never been subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, this would put them on the same footing as a citizen, and we all know they are not.
So, you think the 14th isn't the Civil Rights Act, you better read your history again of the 14th.
Re: "No such thing as lapsed,he has always been a citizen of his father's country."

Yes there is such a thing as lapsed. Ask the Kenyan Embassy. Moerover: "Obama therefore automatically lost his Kenyan citizenship on his 23rd birthday, in 1984, by failing to formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.[90]" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_cit... ) and http://web.archive.org/web/20081210091436/htt...

Re: "He has never been a dual-citizen, our constitution does not allow that status. "

Answer. Yes he was a dual citizen, and yes our Constitution does allow it. In fact our Constitution does not mention it. And, as already pointed out to you, both Woodrow Wilson and Dwight Eisenhower were dual citizens at birth.

Re: "He has never requested naturalization, this would indicate he is an alien."

Answer: A US citizen born in the USA never has to ask to be naturalized.

Re: "Aliens have never been subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, this would put them on the same footing as a citizen, and we all know they are not."

Answer: The US Supreme Court has ruled six to two, one not voting, that in the 14th Amendment "subject to the jurisdiction" means born in the territory of the USA. Aliens in the USA are "subject to the jurisdiction" because they have to obey our laws. Only foreign diplomats are not subject to the jurisdiction because they do not have to obey the laws.

Re: "So, you think the 14th isn't the Civil Rights Act, you better read your history again of the 14th. "

Answer: The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1866 and includes the words "and not subject to any foreign power" . The 14th Amendment was passed in 1868 and does not include the worlds "and not subject to any foreign power." There is an obvious difference.

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