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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Since: May 10

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#117875 Oct 16, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I have worked with more than a few Mormons. CW3 Doug Eschler was a friend of mine.
http://news.google.com/newspapers ...
Oh, we can thank OSHA for the death of Doug and 45 others in that crash, the Worlds most deadly helicopter crash!
Oh, Doug's wife was seldom seen at ladies events and they had just had their fifth child when Doug was killed!
Sooo, don't try to out-Mormon me either!!!
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
SO the Lifer knows one Mormon and that makes him an expert.....that's the way Lifer Logic is.
No, I have know several. Have you ever been in a Mormon Temple? How about a Jewish Synagogue? Ever have a Rabbi fix you lunch?
At Fort Hood, TX my office was a hundred yards from a Jewish Chapel and about once a week I would walk over for lunch and for a $1.75 Rabbi (Captain) Rand would fix me a kosher sandwich!

Since: Dec 08

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#117876 Oct 16, 2012
Jacqus Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
More name-calling. That's okay. You do not get it. Without that card, the person, as opposed to a Canadian citizen, has no standing. He or she has to have that document. But, when he or she attains citizenship, it is no longer needed except when applying for a passport or social security. Card should, as a matter of fact, be put in a very secure place as it takes the place of a state-issued birth certificate. As I said in my previous post, do you carry your BC around with you all the time? Canada has not, and issues not formal I.D. What it does with foreigners is another matter.
What the hell does all this have to do with the fact that you denied Citizenship cards did not exist?
Did you know that you whine more than a fishwife?
Are you sure you're male?????

Since: May 10

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#117877 Oct 16, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
SO the Lifer knows one Mormon and that makes him an expert.....that's the way Lifer Logic is.
And because you currently live in Kaliphonia you think you are a Mormon expert? I have invited Mormon missionaries into my house on two occasions. I just let them know I am happy with my religious beliefs but I did offer a glass of cold milk and some cookies. They were grateful and very polite.

Since: Dec 08

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#117878 Oct 16, 2012
Oops I meant to say: What does all that have to do with the fact that you denied Citizenship Cards DO exist?
Sorry, I am multitasking here.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#117879 Oct 16, 2012
President Starky wrote:
muslims are exempt from obamacare.
RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION:
"Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(D)(4)(H)of the patient protection and affordable care act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(G)(1)and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.
And so, of course, are Christian Scientists. Also, the Amish and Scientologists.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#117880 Oct 16, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Overturned by the Civil Rights Act of 1866, all persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power are citizens.
The words "and not subject to any foreign power" do not appear in the 14th Amendment. Only "subject to the jurisdiction", and that the US Supreme Court has ruled six to two (one not voting) refers to being born within the territory of the USA (except for the children of foreign diplomats).
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117881 Oct 16, 2012
Hillary throws self under the bus! Why not, she has been running the nation for the past four years.
Yep, Obama has been nothing but a puppet.

Since: May 10

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#117882 Oct 16, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy Scout Law
A Scout is:
•Trustworthy,
•Loyal,
•Helpful,
•Friendly,
•Courteous,
•Kind,
•Obedient,
•Cheerful,
•Thrifty,
•Brave,
•Clean,
•and Reverent.
Yep, and Reverent. Do you know what that means? You do not seem very reverent towards Mormons!

A Scout is Trustworthy.
A Scout tells the truth. He is honest, and he keeps his promises. People can depend on him.
A Scout is Loyal.
A Scout is true to his family, friends, Scout leaders, school, and nation.
A Scout is Helpful.
A Scout cares about other people. He willingly volunteers to help others without expecting payment or reward.
A Scout is Friendly.
A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He offers his friendship to people of all races and nations, and respects them even if their beliefs and customs are different from his own.
A Scout is Courteous.
A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows that using good manners makes it easier for people to get along.
A Scout is Kind.
A Scout knows there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. Without good reason, he does not harm or kill any living thing.
A Scout is Obedient.
A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them.
A Scout is Cheerful.
A Scout looks for the bright side of life. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.
A Scout is Thrifty.
A Scout works to pay his own way and to help others. He saves for the future. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.
A Scout is Brave.
A Scout can face danger although he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at him or threaten him.
A Scout is Clean.
A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He chooses the company of those who live by high standards. He helps keep his home and community clean.
A Scout is Reverent.
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#117883 Oct 16, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And because you currently live in Kaliphonia you think you are a Mormon expert? I have invited Mormon missionaries into my house on two occasions. I just let them know I am happy with my religious beliefs but I did offer a glass of cold milk and some cookies. They were grateful and very polite.
I do not live in Kaliphonia....in fact I know of no Kaliphonia.....is it near Birtherville?
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#117884 Oct 16, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, and Reverent. Do you know what that means? You do not seem very reverent towards Mormons!
A Scout is Trustworthy.
A Scout tells the truth. He is honest, and he keeps his promises. People can depend on him.
A Scout is Loyal.
A Scout is true to his family, friends, Scout leaders, school, and nation.
A Scout is Helpful.
A Scout cares about other people. He willingly volunteers to help others without expecting payment or reward.
A Scout is Friendly.
A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He offers his friendship to people of all races and nations, and respects them even if their beliefs and customs are different from his own.
A Scout is Courteous.
A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows that using good manners makes it easier for people to get along.
A Scout is Kind.
A Scout knows there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. Without good reason, he does not harm or kill any living thing.
A Scout is Obedient.
A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them.
A Scout is Cheerful.
A Scout looks for the bright side of life. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.
A Scout is Thrifty.
A Scout works to pay his own way and to help others. He saves for the future. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.
A Scout is Brave.
A Scout can face danger although he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at him or threaten him.
A Scout is Clean.
A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He chooses the company of those who live by high standards. He helps keep his home and community clean.
A Scout is Reverent.
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.
Once again, the Lifer is stretching...

Hey, Thomas, the Boy Scouts have just released their 'pervert' files. Will we find your name among the files?
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#117885 Oct 16, 2012
News Flash...

Lifer knows TWO Mormons and has milk and cookies with another pair. This proves that the Lifer is an expert on all things Mormon.

Since: Dec 08

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#117886 Oct 16, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, the Lifer is stretching...
Hey, Thomas, the Boy Scouts have just released their 'pervert' files. Will we find your name among the files?
How do you feel about muslim men?
Jacqus Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#117887 Oct 16, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no determination for illegals!
They are deported right away.
Canadians have an identification card which denotes they are citizens.
Any illegal caught without it, is automatically deported.
They are not allowed back in the country without a citizenship card.
That is the legal way of doing it.
There are many people from India, Africa and Middle Eastern countries that think they can easily gain entrance into the USA by going through Canada, but a monkey wrench is thrown into their plans once they are caught without a citizenship card.
Wow Jock, you claim you know more about the USA than we do.
Well, I just proved that I know more about Canada than you do.
The American healthcare system is the best in the entire world.
It only became apparent to cry babies that it was supposedly bad.
The gubbermint is expected to pay for everything the freeloaders want, but the morons don't understand. It's not free!
Someone pays for it.
Anthing you get from the government is something that someone paid for.
I'd rather pay for my own things, thank you.
Please, stay in Canada.
See above : "Canadians have an identification card which denotes they are citizens."

If we were born Canadian citizens, we DO NOT HAVE A CITIZENSHIP card or any kind of government-issued I.D. card. But you said "Canadians", no? See above, I just quoted you.

Again, let me explain how it works :

1. There are no Canadian I.D. cards. So, your statement, to wit, "Canadians have an identification card which denotes they are citizens" is incorrect;

2. Canadians, like Americans, NEED proof of birth in country which, except for diplomats, automatically confers Canadian citizenship, to apply for a passport, social security, etc. But they don't carry it around with them, they don't want to lose it, too much red tape to get a new one. And, like the US, the cops canNOT ask your for I.D., any I.D., unless you've broken the law or under suspicion of having done so;

3. An immigrant lands in Canada. He is legal. He is issued a landed immigrant visa card which regulates his status in Canada. He needs it to apply for universal health care, perhaps when applying for a driver's license and to visit another country, paired to his/her passport of country where he/she originates;

4. When landed immigrant, after 3 years' residence, applies and is granted citizenship, he/she is given the certificate (not accepted as proof of citizenship to obtain ppt or documents) AND a citizenship card which is utilized to obtain ppt and other official stuff. As said before, it takes the place of a birth certificate as that person was not born in Canada. That card need not be carried by holder any more than YOU have to carry your birth certificate around . It is NOT an I.D. card and when travelling outside Canada, he/she will use his/her passport, the citizenship card can safely stay at home.

5. Again, I will not name-call you or throw cheap insults around. Do you get it now?

PS : Oh, you also said that your Canadian expert friend figured you would not want our socialized health care system in the U.S. When you see him next, would you mention that survey that says 90% of Canadians approve of their universal health care? Same for over 400 million in Europe. Oops, are they all wrong? Are they all lying?

PPS: LIES. That word is always on the tip of your tongue. When you were growing up, were you often accused of lying? Has that stuck with you? I ask, simply because any thing you hear from your detractors seems to be a lie to you. So much so that I suppose the weatherman never errs when he forecasts the weather incorrectly. I can just hear you : "Damn weatherman, he said it'd be sunny today and it's cloudy. He lied again". Is that how it goes? Someone can at at times be wrong, Sioux, doesn't mean they lied. Like you, you were wrong on this I.D. thing. Did I accuse you of lying? No, you were just wrong, is all. Same for universal health care. Wrong.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#117889 Oct 16, 2012
STOP NAFTA!

October 1993

Once again, libertarians and conservatives are being played for suckers. And once again, free-market think-tanks and alleged devotees of "free trade" are serving as point-men and front-men for a sinister centrist Establishment whose devotion to freedom and free trade is somewhat akin to Leonid Brezhnev's. The last time that "free market economists" played such a repugnant role was in the 1986 "tax reform," engineered by Jacobin egalitarian economists in the name of "fairness," "equality," and free markets.(Tip: genuine free markets have nothing to do with "equality," and nothing whatever to do with modern leftist notions of "fairness.") The "social compact" devised by the 1986 Republican Jacobins was to cut upper income tax rates in exchange for "closing the loopholes," "broadening the tax base," and thereby keeping everything "revenue neutral." (Query: what's so great about keeping tax revenues up, the eternal aim of supply siders? Why not drastically lower tax rates and tax revenues? Isn't that the real free-market position?)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch20.h...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117890 Oct 16, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
I know more history that you because:
1) I graduated high school....you didn't
2) I graduated college...you didn't
3) I graduated grad school...you didn't
4) I have a library of over 6000 books...you don't
5) I read whenever possible...you don't
6) I'm intelligent...you're not
7) I understand what I read....you don't
8) I understand the history and the impact....you don't
HaHaHaHaHaHa!!!! How petty and immature of you, pops! LMAO!!!!!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117891 Oct 16, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The words "and not subject to any foreign power" do not appear in the 14th Amendment. Only "subject to the jurisdiction", and that the US Supreme Court has ruled six to two (one not voting) refers to being born within the territory of the USA (except for the children of foreign diplomats).
the 14th is the Civil Rights Act.
You can't be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" if you are subject to any foreign power.
Sorry, well known fact, the US Constitution is the jurisdiction,thereof.
At the moment of birth Obama was a citizen of his father' nation, fact.
The US government does not have he authority to strip citizenship from anyone, unless they request naturalization, Obama has never requested such.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#117892 Oct 16, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you feel about muslim men?
How do you feel about dog dicks?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117893 Oct 16, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you feel about dog dicks?
Pops, going through life as a drunk, dumbazz crackhead is no way to live.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#117894 Oct 16, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>the 14th is the Civil Rights Act.
You can't be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" if you are subject to any foreign power.
Sorry, well known fact, the US Constitution is the jurisdiction,thereof.
At the moment of birth Obama was a citizen of his father' nation, fact.
The US government does not have he authority to strip citizenship from anyone, unless they request naturalization, Obama has never requested such.
Re: "the 14th is the Civil Rights Act."

Answer: NO, it is not.

Re: "You can't be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" if you are subject to any foreign power."

Answer. Since everyone who is in the USA except for foreign diplomats is subject to the jurisdiction, people who are foreigners visiting our country and both legal and illegal aliens are just as subject to the jurisdiction as US citizens.

Re: "Sorry, well known fact, the US Constitution is the jurisdiction,thereof."

Answer: Just because you say it does not make it a "well known fact." The fact is that the US Supreme Court RULED (and it is the final authority, not you) that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN.

Re: At the moment of birth Obama was a citizen of his father' nation, fact."

Answer. Partial fact. At the time of birth Obama was a dual citizen, as were Woodrow Wilson and Dwight D. Eisenhower at the moment of birth. And not only children born in the USA who have dual citizenship Natural Born Citizens, but EVERY child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats are Natural Born Citizens.

Re: "The US government does not have he authority to strip citizenship from anyone, unless they request naturalization, Obama has never requested such. "

Answer: Since he was born in the USA he is a Natural Born Citizen regardless of the fact that he was a dual citizen at one time. That has lapsed, but even if it did not, he would still be a Natural Born US citizen, as would BTW, both Jindal and Rubio.

That is what seven state courts and one federal court have ruled specifically on Obama, and the US Supreme Court turned down the birther appeals of one of those cases, leaving the ruling standing. The appealed case had stated that "every child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen." The US Supreme Court turned down the appeal. The lower court ruling STANDS.
Jacqus Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#117895 Oct 16, 2012
American Lady wrote:
STOP NAFTA!
October 1993
Once again, libertarians and conservatives are being played for suckers. And once again, free-market think-tanks and alleged devotees of "free trade" are serving as point-men and front-men for a sinister centrist Establishment whose devotion to freedom and free trade is somewhat akin to Leonid Brezhnev's. The last time that "free market economists" played such a repugnant role was in the 1986 "tax reform," engineered by Jacobin egalitarian economists in the name of "fairness," "equality," and free markets.(Tip: genuine free markets have nothing to do with "equality," and nothing whatever to do with modern leftist notions of "fairness.") The "social compact" devised by the 1986 Republican Jacobins was to cut upper income tax rates in exchange for "closing the loopholes," "broadening the tax base," and thereby keeping everything "revenue neutral." (Query: what's so great about keeping tax revenues up, the eternal aim of supply siders? Why not drastically lower tax rates and tax revenues? Isn't that the real free-market position?)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch20.h...
This is absolutely incredible, American er hmm Lady. You definitely do not understand ONE single sentence, maybe a few words, that'sit, of what you have just cut and pasted. Don't you even care that people here KNOW you are totally incapable of reading and then comprehending what you foisted on poor captive Topix posters?

Do you even know what "Jacobin" means? The origin of the word? Will you at the very least google it? Can you pronounce it? It's French. Ohhhhh, must be a bad word if it's French, probably a kind of unholy sexual conotation.

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