BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117581 Oct 15, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
Mitt has announced that I will be his Chief of Staff and Sarah will be his Secretary of State. I thank him for his confidence in me and think Sarah will make a fine Sec. of State.
Yes, if only she can locate Russia and Africa.

Oh, btw, Rogue, please tell us why the entire Bush family, Cheney, Rove, Palin et al were not at the Repub convention in Atlanta. Was McCain there? Remind us why the Dems had Carter on video (he's 88 yrs old, I suppose he could not attend), Clinton, Kerry. Why's that?
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117582 Oct 15, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, you know that communists (Putin) does not get along with fascists (Obama). So what else is new?
Obama a fascist, now? All this time, I thought you and your birter ilk said he was a communist. Let's get together, boys and girls, and bash heads, now and make up your minds.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117584 Oct 15, 2012
Christie-Palin2012 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And Snopes says it is true too. Thank you EPA!!!
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/trainfi ...
<quoted text>
Silly Liberal, do you mean the train engineer should have called the president, any president, to avert such an issue? Why if every president had to answer every question 24/7/365, when would he sleep?
But there you go again, blaming Bush for everything that went wrong while he was president. I would not even thought about blaming Obama if this had happened on his watch but you will not let any opportunity like this to blame Bush!!!
Oh, I ran over a nail last week and got a flat tire, should I blame Obama?
No, no, that was on purpose, Rogue. You blame Obama for everything, even the smallest things, like a veteran being denied fair treatment to a lack of guards in Benghazi to one-day plunges in the DJIA to not allowing Bin Ladin his due rights. The difference between you and me is I know darn well GWB was not responsible for the stupid train disaster. But, had Obama or Clinton been president then, you would've blamed it on either of them immediately.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117585 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Remain misinformed. That is your right.
Again, you are not discussing the facts. The facts show that Obama was born in Hawaii, as confirmed by (1) his short form and long form birth certificates from Hawaii; (2) the confirmation of them by the officials of both parties in Hawaii; (3) the Index Data file; (4) the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961; (5) the obvious fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and the historical fact that very few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961; (6) the fact that Obama's Kenyan grandmother did NOT say that he was born in Kenya but said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii and said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii; (7) The statement by the Kenyan government that it had investigated the claim that Obama was born in Kenya----and found that it was false.

Only birther "experts"---who have not proved that they are really experts, and who certainly have not proved that they are fair and impartial say that there is anything wrong with the image of Obama's birth certificate.

The birther "experts" include Paul Irey, who has repeatedly claimed that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite the fact that Columbia University has stated that Obama did attend (and that he graduated). And they include Doug Vogt, who claims to have found the original altar of Abraham. It is such "experts" as these that the birthers rely on for their case.

There are many real experts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, including John Woodman, who happens to be a member of the Tea Party and who dislikes Obama and Obama's policies, but shows that the birther "experts" are wrong. They also include Ivan Zatkovich, who was hired by WND to examine the image of Obama's birth certificate, and when he submitted his report that there was nothing wrong with Obama's birth certificate, WND simply did not publish it.

As for Sheriff Joe and his posse:

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

and

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/07/indict...

It is clear that rational conservatives do not believe the "birth certificate was forged" claims. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review certainly do not.

And the conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm specified facts on Obama's birth certificate. Hawaii did, stating that it compared the image of Obama's birth certificate with the file copy (which is an additional confirmation that there was a file copy BTW) and that Obama was born there and that the facts match. The secretary of state of Arizona accepted this confirmation and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November. This indicates that he does not believe the claims that the birth certificate is forged (including those of Sheriff Joe) and that he does believe the officials in Hawaii.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117586 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Ludicrous.
You are neither discussing the facts nor the law.

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_cit...

And:

http://www.redstate.com/ironchapman/2012/05/2...

And:

http://naturalborncitizenshipresearch.blogspo...

And:

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117587 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And Snopes says it is true too. Thank you EPA!!!
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/trainfi ...
<quoted text>
If it is about Obama, they twist the issue. I just Googled "snopes obama college records" and this is what I got:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers...
Ah, what does Obama's SSN have to do with his college records?
Who knows? And where do Ohama's college records have to do with ... Obama? That is highly personal information. Why should we have access to that? It's why you got the phoney SSN reply, as that is all the poor computer can find. And at the same time, totally debunks the false Obama SSN number affair. And, btw, it used to be, I believe, a Penn number, now it's a Hawaii one. Go figure.

Oh, how about Romney's college records and his last 10 yrs income tax records? What's he afraid of? Certified copies, like Obama's long and short form records, will suffice thank you. True, he does not have to produce those records, but then Obama didn't have to produce his BC either and he did anyhow. What say you?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117588 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I knew that was exactly what you were doing. You're misreading what it says. Notice how "or" is used here; After the Revolution, States retained only those portions of common law that were applicable to their local circumstances. The practice of England at the time was every person born within the realm of the King was a natural born subject by virtue of birth alone. In the United States, such a rule was not strictly followed as children born to black slaves, transient aliens, or Indians, followed the condition of their father.
Notice that black slaves, transient aliens or Indians are separate and independent of each other. It doesn't get much clearer than that!
\\

Answer: Black slaves, transient aliens and Indians were not allowed to be citizens. But the definition of Natural Born was the same for them as for US citizens. They could not be Natural Born Citizens because, duh, they were not allowed to be citizens. But the moment that they were allowed to be citizens, the old definition of Natural Born applied and the ones of them who were born in the USA became at that instant Natural Born Citizens.

The meaning of Natural Born still comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117589 Oct 15, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, Barfer Girks, but I was only pointing out that there is no "or" in the sentence. Do please learn English grammar. I am an expert, so I can teach you if you need help.
Too bad for birfoons the law of the land per the HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND, the United States Supreme Court, is the law in Ark. Citizenship by birth is irrespective of the parents if they are born in the US under its jurisdiction. The court defined jurisdiction as applying to aliens. Only those who are born to invading forces and ambassadors are excluded.
You can quote old law at length. You can submit colloquy as evidence in your brief. Opposing counsel will move to have it struck, and the judge will do so. In fact, your silly birfoon case will never make it to trial as this is long settled law that the court says is from "ancient principle."
These are the exact reason why birfoons are such losers. You're not literate enough to read and understand a case. You disrespect the law and procedural rules. This is why birfoons have lost 165 cases so far.
Be a dumbazz, it is your choosing. An expert? LMAO Don't tell me we have another Prof? LOL
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117590 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Shhhh, wittle refugeeboi!
You're wasting your time calling me a refugee. If I was, I'd be proud to admit it. Anything wrong with refugees, LRS?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117592 Oct 15, 2012
Girdle Buns, do you ignore all reality or only the parts you don't like? LMAO dumb pigeon

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#117593 Oct 15, 2012
Tom Brokaw turns on Obama! The Lame Stream Press is turning. They are no longer in neutral! If the LSM is going to remain relavent, they must address the hard issues.

Tom Brokaw Says President Obama Must Answer For $1.1 Trillion Deficit ‘That Happened On His Watch’ VIDEO
by Tommy Christopher | 4:03 pm, October 14th, 2012

On Sunday morning’s Meet The Press, legendary newsman Tom Brokaw joined moderator David Gregory in evening out the “specifics” narrative that has dogged Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney by demanding that President Obama give more details about his plan to control the deficit and debt. Brokaw said that in a 2008 debate, then-Senator Obama “was saying,‘Look, we’ve got a deficit of a half a trillion dollars. I’m going to get that under control.’ Well, this week that deficit is $1.1 trillion and it happened on his watch. He’s going to have to answer to that.”

By the time President Obama took office, however, he was handed a $1.017 trillion deficit by President George W. Bush.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tom-brokaw-says-pr...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117594 Oct 15, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You're wasting your time calling me a refugee. If I was, I'd be proud to admit it. Anything wrong with refugees, LRS?
How is it a waste of time? Is it a waste of time when you call people trailer trash, inbred, etc.? Hypocritical pigeon

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#117595 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Shhhh, wittle refugeeboi!
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You're wasting your time calling me a refugee. If I was, I'd be proud to admit it. Anything wrong with refugees, LRS?
Well, do you feel the same way about Dr. Orly Taitz? People who were raised under communism know what it is and they do not want to go back.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117598 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Tom Brokaw turns on Obama! The Lame Stream Press is turning. They are no longer in neutral! If the LSM is going to remain relavent, they must address the hard issues.
Tom Brokaw Says President Obama Must Answer For $1.1 Trillion Deficit ‘That Happened On His Watch’ VIDEO
by Tommy Christopher | 4:03 pm, October 14th, 2012
On Sunday morning’s Meet The Press, legendary newsman Tom Brokaw joined moderator David Gregory in evening out the “specifics” narrative that has dogged Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney by demanding that President Obama give more details about his plan to control the deficit and debt. Brokaw said that in a 2008 debate, then-Senator Obama “was saying,‘Look, we’ve got a deficit of a half a trillion dollars. I’m going to get that under control.’ Well, this week that deficit is $1.1 trillion and it happened on his watch. He’s going to have to answer to that.”
By the time President Obama took office, however, he was handed a $1.017 trillion deficit by President George W. Bush.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tom-brokaw-says-pr...
have you read it in its entirety or did you just read a headline that you can't resist? Or don't you understand it at all?

BTW, yes, Chuck Todd said that. Is that the same Chuck Todd who worked on democratic campaigns in Florida at one time and authored a book on Obama? Goes to show, eh Rogue, how those lame press lefties can be unbiased in their reporting. When was the last time Foxnews.com , WND.com , americanthinker.com , newyorkpost.com do that?

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117599 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh, if the inflation rate is higher than the GDP growth rate, we are in a recession .
Another Rube myth. Please name ANY ECONOMIST who defines recession by that measure. Trouble is rube has NEVER read even one book on Economics (he doesn't deny this), and so has no idea how economists define important terms.
=
If the inflation rate is LOWER THAN the GDP growth rate, does that mean the economy is NOT in recession?

“The Usurper FAILED”

Since: Apr 11

Americans

#117600 Oct 15, 2012
Debate Debacle – Symbol of Obama's Failed Presidency
http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/
http://www.nbra.info/index.cfm... ;

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117601 Oct 15, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
Post #116,333
"PAUL RYAN - WILLARD ROMNEY
"Can anyone on this thread articulate a valid reason(s) to support our ticket's objective to reduce the national debt of our great United States?"
====
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
why don't you tell us,,,,, if you can?
I will. Given the current economic data and situation there is NO valid reason to reduce the national debt of our great United States. If you think there is, please state that reason(s).

“The Usurper FAILED”

Since: Apr 11

Americans

#117602 Oct 15, 2012
DEMOCRATS ARE THE REAL RACISTS
Liberals Can't Break 200-Year Racism Habit

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Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117603 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
How is it a waste of time? Is it a waste of time when you call people trailer trash, inbred, etc.? Hypocritical pigeon
I don't recall using trailer trash and inbred, though I admit I may have. But, sigh, again you've failed, as I may have used those epitheths in retaliation for much-worst profanity-laced language at which you are an expert. However, I'll try to refrain from insulting the trailer trash and inbred by calling you that.

Oh, I dare say, I'd be proud to call myself a refugee, but not so proud to call myself trailer trash and inbred. LoL.

You see, LRS, and judging from my above paragraph, you just do not measure up. You don't know how to properly evaluate comparisons. Sigh, you and Rush are so alike. I digress. I reportedly called you trailer trash and inbred. Reportedly, I stress. Okay. You retaliate by calling me a very honourable name, to wit, refugee. Thank you for that. A true compliment. You place me in great company. Einstein, Fermi, Von Braun, Solshenitshyn, Da Vinci, Picasso, Gouzenko, Gabriel Garcia Marques, Jorge Luis Borges, Pùblo Neruda etc, were all at one time refugees. Not one of those names shows up in the trailer trash or inbred list. Sorry. Do try to be choosier next time, eh boy.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117604 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Cause and Efect, Cause and Effect.
More of your uneducated BS -- just making things up again. Please quote from any recognized economist or even a serious financial publication that supports your mythology. YOU CAN'T, because you have LIED again.

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