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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117507 Oct 14, 2012
BTW Girther Barks, why do you think my butt hurts? Feels fine, no problems. Thanks for the concern, albeit, strange as hell.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#117508 Oct 14, 2012
Lol, Butthurt Wannabe Troll knows exactly what butthurt means. Owned.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117509 Oct 14, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Here's a list if those subject to a foreign power (helpful hint for the barely literate):
1) The children of diplomats
2) The children of invading forces
This is long settled law, birfers. Sorry.
Follow the lineage of the father at the time of birth. His father was a transient alien. You keep want to go by England's practices at the time. Where everyone born with the realm of the King was a citizen simply by virtue of birth. America did not adhere to this practice. There are specific reasons why this was done. One of which is, if everyone born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen then we would be inviting people who have no allegiance towards America at all to be full fledged citizens????? That's asinine. There are other reasons as well but I'll leave it at that.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117510 Oct 14, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Lol, Butthurt Wannabe Troll knows exactly what butthurt means. Owned.
Owned? LMAO!!!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117511 Oct 14, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Follow the lineage of the father at the time of birth. His father was a transient alien. You keep want to go by England's practices at the time. Where everyone born with the realm of the King was a citizen simply by virtue of birth. America did not adhere to this practice. There are specific reasons why this was done. One of which is, if everyone born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen then we would be inviting people who have no allegiance towards America at all to be full fledged citizens????? That's asinine. There are other reasons as well but I'll leave it at that.
Typo city here.*you keep wanting,**everyone born within,
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117512 Oct 14, 2012
Ok, I'm throwing a flag here! A 15 yarder too. Too much time googling. LOL

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#117513 Oct 14, 2012
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#117514 Oct 14, 2012
I wonder if Obama knows about this?

Taqiyya (alternate spellings taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation, or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.

This practice was emphasized in Shi'a Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion. Taqiyya was developed to protect Shi'ites who were usually in minority and under pressure. In the Shi'a view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.

The majority Sunni Muslims rarely found it necessary to hide their beliefs. However, there are examples of practicing taqiyya among Sunnis where it was necessary. In the Sunni view, denying your faith under duress is "only at most permitted and not under all circumstances obligatory".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#117516 Oct 14, 2012
And Snopes says it is true too. Thank you EPA!!!
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/trainfi...
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117519 Oct 15, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Butt Butt Butt Butthurt Loser, I see you've taken to call yourself "Barfer Girks."
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Girther Barks, are you a female by chance?
I know GB's not a female. However, were he, you'd lose all interest, so infatuated are you, in almost every post, with genders and weird sexual conotations.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117520 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Yes, he will have more flexibility. So? Are you interpreting what "flexibility" means?

Incidentally, isn't this man Putin the very one your comrade American er hmm communist Lady has been quoting, along with Putin's newspaper, Pravda? Aren't you ashamed, showing off your president as some pawn in the Russians' hands? Anything, right down to his buying a $3.5 million home in Hawaii as he is sure to lose.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117521 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And Snopes says it is true too. Thank you EPA!!!
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/trainfi...
But have you not always maintained Snopes was a Soros thing? All of a sudden, like Huffington, Washington Post, you quote it when it suits you, still not understanding that reliable news sources will always deliver news it as is, leaving their opinions and editorials for the opinions and editorials pages.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117522 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And Snopes says it is true too. Thank you EPA!!!
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/trainfi...
Was GWB not president then? His fault, no?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117523 Oct 15, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
Okay, let's assume Obama was born in Hawaii which makes him a US citizen. He is adopted by his step father and goes to school in Indonesia. Indonesia required you to be a citizen of that nation to go to school there which he did, so he gave up his citizenship as a child but US law says he doesn't lose his US citizenship if he was a minor when this occurred so he is still a US citizen. So far, so good,Democrats cheer, give high fives, sneer at birthers.
Retired U.S.Postal Worker Allen Hulton recently signed a sworn affidavit for the Maricopa County, Arizona Cold Case Posse convened by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, attesting under oath, to conversations with Mary Ayers, the mother of Bill Ayers. He made his testimony public in a three hour long taped interviewed on March 19th, 2012. Mr. Hutton, by signing an affidavit has subjected himself to laws regarding perjury, not something to be taken lightly as telling the truth is now for him a requirement of law.
His testimony states Mary and Tom Ayers , parents of the former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, were sponsoring Barack Obama as a foreign student, and financially supporting his education.. Ayers and Obama worked together in the Annenberg Challenge Project in Chicago. as well as the Woods Fund of Chicago.
If Hulton is correct, and Obama was introduced to Hulton as a Foreign Student, this means Barack Hussein Obama would have been using a Foreign Passport to get and prove his foreign student status for entrance into Occidental College, Columbia, and later Harvard Universities. Because Hulton has signed an Affidavit, this cannot be disregarded as mere hearsay; it is instead evidentiary in nature.
The significance of this development may not be immediately apparent until one recognizes American law regarding citizenship status. Citizenship laws as expressed in Title 8 of the United States Code states the use of a Foreign Passport constitutes adult recognition of relinquishment of American Citizenship:
8 USC 1481
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; 8 USC 1481
Using a foreign passport in order to obtain status as a foreign student is precisely that, proof of naturalization in a foreign state making him ineligible to hold the office of president of the United States.
Obama's team of lawyers squashed a subpoena to have his Occidental College records released. Obama paid the Perkins Cole law firm $683,316.42 in the first quarter of 2009 to keep those records from being released. That’s on top of the $378,375.52 he paid them in the last quarter of 2008.
In contrast, Romney released all his college records.
Re: "Indonesia required you to be a citizen of that nation to go to school there which he did..."

But Indonesia DID NOT REQUIRE you to be a citizen of that nation to go to school there. That is a birther fantasy, a lie created by birthers and only by birthers. It is not true. There was no such law. Want to check? There is an obvious way: Call the Indonesian Embassy and ASK, and while you are at it, ask whether Obama was ever an Indonesia citizen or ever had an Indonesian passport.

The answer to make it easy is that (1) there was no such law; (2) he never was an Indonesian citizen; (3) since he was never an Indonesian citizen, he never had an Indonesian passport.
photosNews

AOL

#117524 Oct 15, 2012
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ANTICHRIST in Jewish Temple --------- ID'd

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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117525 Oct 15, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
Okay, let's assume Obama was born in Hawaii which makes him a US citizen. He is adopted by his step father and goes to school in Indonesia. Indonesia required you to be a citizen of that nation to go to school there which he did, so he gave up his citizenship as a child but US law says he doesn't lose his US citizenship if he was a minor when this occurred so he is still a US citizen. So far, so good,Democrats cheer, give high fives, sneer at birthers.
Retired U.S.Postal Worker Allen Hulton recently signed a sworn affidavit for the Maricopa County, Arizona Cold Case Posse convened by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, attesting under oath, to conversations with Mary Ayers, the mother of Bill Ayers. He made his testimony public in a three hour long taped interviewed on March 19th, 2012. Mr. Hutton, by signing an affidavit has subjected himself to laws regarding perjury, not something to be taken lightly as telling the truth is now for him a requirement of law.
His testimony states Mary and Tom Ayers , parents of the former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, were sponsoring Barack Obama as a foreign student, and financially supporting his education.. Ayers and Obama worked together in the Annenberg Challenge Project in Chicago. as well as the Woods Fund of Chicago.
If Hulton is correct, and Obama was introduced to Hulton as a Foreign Student, this means Barack Hussein Obama would have been using a Foreign Passport to get and prove his foreign student status for entrance into Occidental College, Columbia, and later Harvard Universities. Because Hulton has signed an Affidavit, this cannot be disregarded as mere hearsay; it is instead evidentiary in nature.
The significance of this development may not be immediately apparent until one recognizes American law regarding citizenship status. Citizenship laws as expressed in Title 8 of the United States Code states the use of a Foreign Passport constitutes adult recognition of relinquishment of American Citizenship:
8 USC 1481
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; 8 USC 1481
Using a foreign passport in order to obtain status as a foreign student is precisely that, proof of naturalization in a foreign state making him ineligible to hold the office of president of the United States.
Obama's team of lawyers squashed a subpoena to have his Occidental College records released. Obama paid the Perkins Cole law firm $683,316.42 in the first quarter of 2009 to keep those records from being released. That’s on top of the $378,375.52 he paid them in the last quarter of 2008.
In contrast, Romney released all his college records.
Re: "If Hulton is correct, and Obama was introduced to Hulton as a Foreign Student..."

But Hulton is not the slightest bit correct. At the time that Hulton was referring to, in 1991, Obama had already graduated from college AND Harvard Law School and was no longer a student. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/03/maybe-...
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117526 Oct 15, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
Okay, let's assume Obama was born in Hawaii which makes him a US citizen. He is adopted by his step father and goes to school in Indonesia. Indonesia required you to be a citizen of that nation to go to school there which he did, so he gave up his citizenship as a child but US law says he doesn't lose his US citizenship if he was a minor when this occurred so he is still a US citizen. So far, so good,Democrats cheer, give high fives, sneer at birthers.
Retired U.S.Postal Worker Allen Hulton recently signed a sworn affidavit for the Maricopa County, Arizona Cold Case Posse convened by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, attesting under oath, to conversations with Mary Ayers, the mother of Bill Ayers. He made his testimony public in a three hour long taped interviewed on March 19th, 2012. Mr. Hutton, by signing an affidavit has subjected himself to laws regarding perjury, not something to be taken lightly as telling the truth is now for him a requirement of law.
His testimony states Mary and Tom Ayers , parents of the former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, were sponsoring Barack Obama as a foreign student, and financially supporting his education.. Ayers and Obama worked together in the Annenberg Challenge Project in Chicago. as well as the Woods Fund of Chicago.
If Hulton is correct, and Obama was introduced to Hulton as a Foreign Student, this means Barack Hussein Obama would have been using a Foreign Passport to get and prove his foreign student status for entrance into Occidental College, Columbia, and later Harvard Universities. Because Hulton has signed an Affidavit, this cannot be disregarded as mere hearsay; it is instead evidentiary in nature.
The significance of this development may not be immediately apparent until one recognizes American law regarding citizenship status. Citizenship laws as expressed in Title 8 of the United States Code states the use of a Foreign Passport constitutes adult recognition of relinquishment of American Citizenship:
8 USC 1481
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; 8 USC 1481
Using a foreign passport in order to obtain status as a foreign student is precisely that, proof of naturalization in a foreign state making him ineligible to hold the office of president of the United States.
Obama's team of lawyers squashed a subpoena to have his Occidental College records released. Obama paid the Perkins Cole law firm $683,316.42 in the first quarter of 2009 to keep those records from being released. That’s on top of the $378,375.52 he paid them in the last quarter of 2008.
In contrast, Romney released all his college records.
Re: "Barack Hussein Obama would have been using a Foreign Passport to get and prove his foreign student status for entrance into Occidental College, Columbia, and later Harvard Universities. "

As has been pointed out, you are assuming that Obama had a foreign passport. In addition, the claim that he was admitted to college etc as a foreign student comes from AN APRIL FOOL'S ARTICLE. There is not any evidence behind it at all.

Re: "In contrast, Romney released all his college records."

Answer: Mitt Romney has not released a single college record. Neither, by the way, did McCain, or Bush (his transcript was leaked, but BUSH certainly did not release it), Clinton, Bush41, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Etc. Neither did Obama, but then he does not have to since none of the others did either, and Romney certainly hasn't.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117527 Oct 15, 2012
photosNews wrote:
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ANTICHRIST in Jewish Temple --------- ID'd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =7zknzxVdk4wXX&feature=plc p
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No atrribution. Who is this nut case narrating this video anyhow?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117528 Oct 15, 2012
downhill246 wrote:
Okay, let's assume Obama was born in Hawaii which makes him a US citizen. He is adopted by his step father and goes to school in Indonesia. Indonesia required you to be a citizen of that nation to go to school there which he did, so he gave up his citizenship as a child but US law says he doesn't lose his US citizenship if he was a minor when this occurred so he is still a US citizen. So far, so good,Democrats cheer, give high fives, sneer at birthers.
Retired U.S.Postal Worker Allen Hulton recently signed a sworn affidavit for the Maricopa County, Arizona Cold Case Posse convened by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, attesting under oath, to conversations with Mary Ayers, the mother of Bill Ayers. He made his testimony public in a three hour long taped interviewed on March 19th, 2012. Mr. Hutton, by signing an affidavit has subjected himself to laws regarding perjury, not something to be taken lightly as telling the truth is now for him a requirement of law.
His testimony states Mary and Tom Ayers , parents of the former Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, were sponsoring Barack Obama as a foreign student, and financially supporting his education.. Ayers and Obama worked together in the Annenberg Challenge Project in Chicago. as well as the Woods Fund of Chicago.
If Hulton is correct, and Obama was introduced to Hulton as a Foreign Student, this means Barack Hussein Obama would have been using a Foreign Passport to get and prove his foreign student status for entrance into Occidental College, Columbia, and later Harvard Universities. Because Hulton has signed an Affidavit, this cannot be disregarded as mere hearsay; it is instead evidentiary in nature.
The significance of this development may not be immediately apparent until one recognizes American law regarding citizenship status. Citizenship laws as expressed in Title 8 of the United States Code states the use of a Foreign Passport constitutes adult recognition of relinquishment of American Citizenship:
8 USC 1481
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; 8 USC 1481
Using a foreign passport in order to obtain status as a foreign student is precisely that, proof of naturalization in a foreign state making him ineligible to hold the office of president of the United States.
Obama's team of lawyers squashed a subpoena to have his Occidental College records released. Obama paid the Perkins Cole law firm $683,316.42 in the first quarter of 2009 to keep those records from being released. That’s on top of the $378,375.52 he paid them in the last quarter of 2008.
In contrast, Romney released all his college records.
Re: " Obama paid the Perkins Cole law firm $683,316.42 in the first quarter of 2009 to keep those records from being released. That’s on top of the $378,375.52 he paid them in the last quarter of 2008."

Obama paid the law firm for the general legal expenses of the campaign, which includes a great deal more than birther lawsuits, none of which were won by birthers and all of which were won with boilerplate filings (which hardly costs money at all since it is the same thing in every case). And, guess what, since there was never a lawsuit just for the records, Obama did not spend A CENT, not one penny, to keep them from being released. There were lawsuits to keep him off of ballots, and Obama fought those and won, but there was never a lawsuit just for records or, in fact, for anything other than to keep Obama off of the ballot.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117529 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Follow the lineage of the father at the time of birth. His father was a transient alien. You keep want to go by England's practices at the time. Where everyone born with the realm of the King was a citizen simply by virtue of birth. America did not adhere to this practice. There are specific reasons why this was done. One of which is, if everyone born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen then we would be inviting people who have no allegiance towards America at all to be full fledged citizens????? That's asinine. There are other reasons as well but I'll leave it at that.
America adhered, and still adheres to that practice.

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

Re: "if everyone born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen then we would be inviting people who have no allegiance towards America at all to be full fledged citizens????? That's asinine."

James Madison disagrees:

"It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."

In other words, Madison said, and subsequent laws and Supreme Court rulings have confirmed, that our system assumes that if you are born on US soil and your parents are not foreign diplomats, then you will have allegiance to the USA, and only to the USA.

A person born on US soil who fights against the USA can be tried for treason regardless of the citizenship of his parents and regardless of whether the person has dual citizenship status.

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