BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 20 comments on the Jan 8, 2009, Chicago Tribune story titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117533 Oct 15, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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America adhered, and still adheres to that practice.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Re: "if everyone born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen then we would be inviting people who have no allegiance towards America at all to be full fledged citizens????? That's asinine."
James Madison disagrees:
"It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."
In other words, Madison said, and subsequent laws and Supreme Court rulings have confirmed, that our system assumes that if you are born on US soil and your parents are not foreign diplomats, then you will have allegiance to the USA, and only to the USA.
A person born on US soil who fights against the USA can be tried for treason regardless of the citizenship of his parents and regardless of whether the person has dual citizenship status.
You're as dense as Galena.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117534 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
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You're as dense as Galena.
And you are not commenting on the issues. the US Supreme Court has ruled that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. And US law holds that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats, has and in fact must have, allegiance to the USA.

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#117535 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar wrote:
<quote>
Margaret Thatcher on Socialism
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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No atrribution. Who is this nut case narrating this video anyhow?
What are you talking about?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117536 Oct 15, 2012
What part of this are you unable to comprehend? I put quotation marks around two keywords for ya. Try as you may you cannot get away from "not subject to any foreign power".

During the original debate over the amendment Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan—the author of the Citizenship Clause[8]—described the clause as having the same content, despite different wording, as the earlier Civil Rights Act of 1866, namely, that it excludes Native Americans who maintain their tribal ties and "persons born in the United States who are "foreigners", "aliens", who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."[

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#117537 Oct 15, 2012
Mitt has announced that I will be his Chief of Staff and Sarah will be his Secretary of State. I thank him for his confidence in me and think Sarah will make a fine Sec. of State.

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#117540 Oct 15, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Yes, he will have more flexibility. So? Are you interpreting what "flexibility" means?
Incidentally, isn't this man Putin the very one your comrade American er hmm communist Lady has been quoting, along with Putin's newspaper, Pravda? Aren't you ashamed, showing off your president as some pawn in the Russians' hands? Anything, right down to his buying a $3.5 million home in Hawaii as he is sure to lose.
Well, you know that communists (Putin) does not get along with fascists (Obama). So what else is new?

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#117541 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And Snopes says it is true too. Thank you EPA!!!
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/trainfi ...
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Was GWB not president then? His fault, no?
Silly Liberal, do you mean the train engineer should have called the president, any president, to avert such an issue? Why if every president had to answer every question 24/7/365, when would he sleep?
But there you go again, blaming Bush for everything that went wrong while he was president. I would not even thought about blaming Obama if this had happened on his watch but you will not let any opportunity like this to blame Bush!!!
Oh, I ran over a nail last week and got a flat tire, should I blame Obama?

Since: Mar 11

Jacksonville, FL

#117543 Oct 15, 2012
Proverbs 29:9 Used to Describe Joe Biden During VP Debate; RNC Issues Ad

Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/news/proverbs...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117545 Oct 15, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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And you are not commenting on the issues. the US Supreme Court has ruled that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. And US law holds that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats, has and in fact must have, allegiance to the USA.
LMAO
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117546 Oct 15, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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And you are not commenting on the issues. the US Supreme Court has ruled that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. And US law holds that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats, has and in fact must have, allegiance to the USA.
You think you can force someone to have allegiance with the U.S.? LOL
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#117547 Oct 15, 2012
It looks like Obama's going to win.

In scandalous footage captured by a Project Veritas videographer, a top Obama campaign worker gleefully helps an undercover reporter cast a ballot for the president in two states. The reporter identifies herself as an Obama supporter who has illegally registered to vote in Florida and Texas and plans to vote in both places.

Organizing for America Regional Field Director Stephanie Caballero – a salaried employee of the Democratic National Committee in Houston, Texas – offers to print out a ballot the reporter can mail to Florida.

“Oh my God, this is so funny,” Caballero says.“It’s cool though.”

However, this was no isolated incident. Project Veritas’ latest effort in Texas, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut shows Obama campaign workers helping people who say they want to commit election fraud.

In August, the Colorado Secretary of State’s Office sent out 4,000 letters to people on its voter rolls who are possible noncitizens ineligible to vote.

In September, the Florida Department of State identified 198 suspected noncitizens who were illegally registered to vote.

In two Ohio counties, the number of people currently registered to vote exceeds the voting-age population, according to the Columbus Dispatch. At least one out of every five registered Ohio voters is likely to be ineligible to cast a ballot.

True the Vote, a Houston-based election integrity group, has notified 160 counties across the nation that there are more voters on registration rolls than eligible voters in each county.

In February, the Pew Center said it found 2.8 million people with active registrations in more than one state.

According to Project Veritas, investigators contacted the North Carolina Board of Elections and presented it with a list of 30,000 residents who died between 2002 and 2012 and are still registered to vote.(And that’s in a state Obama won by only 14,000 votes in 2008!)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#117548 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And Snopes says it is true too. Thank you EPA!!!
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/trainfi ...
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
But have you not always maintained Snopes was a Soros thing? All of a sudden, like Huffington, Washington Post, you quote it when it suits you, still not understanding that reliable news sources will always deliver news it as is, leaving their opinions and editorials for the opinions and editorials pages.
If it is about Obama, they twist the issue. I just Googled "snopes obama college records" and this is what I got:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers...
Ah, what does Obama's SSN have to do with his college records?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117549 Oct 15, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
It looks like Obama's going to win.
In scandalous footage captured by a Project Veritas videographer, a top Obama campaign worker gleefully helps an undercover reporter cast a ballot for the president in two states. The reporter identifies herself as an Obama supporter who has illegally registered to vote in Florida and Texas and plans to vote in both places.
Organizing for America Regional Field Director Stephanie Caballero – a salaried employee of the Democratic National Committee in Houston, Texas – offers to print out a ballot the reporter can mail to Florida.
“Oh my God, this is so funny,” Caballero says.“It’s cool though.”
However, this was no isolated incident. Project Veritas’ latest effort in Texas, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut shows Obama campaign workers helping people who say they want to commit election fraud.
In August, the Colorado Secretary of State’s Office sent out 4,000 letters to people on its voter rolls who are possible noncitizens ineligible to vote.
In September, the Florida Department of State identified 198 suspected noncitizens who were illegally registered to vote.
In two Ohio counties, the number of people currently registered to vote exceeds the voting-age population, according to the Columbus Dispatch. At least one out of every five registered Ohio voters is likely to be ineligible to cast a ballot.
True the Vote, a Houston-based election integrity group, has notified 160 counties across the nation that there are more voters on registration rolls than eligible voters in each county.
In February, the Pew Center said it found 2.8 million people with active registrations in more than one state.
According to Project Veritas, investigators contacted the North Carolina Board of Elections and presented it with a list of 30,000 residents who died between 2002 and 2012 and are still registered to vote.(And that’s in a state Obama won by only 14,000 votes in 2008!)
Barfer Girks, is that you?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117550 Oct 15, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
Grand Birther wrote:
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Butt Butt Butt Butthurt Loser, I see you've taken to call yourself "Barfer Girks."
<quoted text>
I know GB's not a female. However, were he, you'd lose all interest, so infatuated are you, in almost every post, with genders and weird sexual conotations.
Shhhh, wittle refugeeboi!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117551 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
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You think you can force someone to have allegiance with the U.S.? LOL
Legal allegiance. Some people who were born in the USA with three generations of US citizens before them turned out to be spys and traitors. The law is based on legal allegiance.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#117552 Oct 15, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
It looks like Obama's going to win.
In scandalous footage captured by a Project Veritas videographer, a top Obama campaign worker gleefully helps an undercover reporter cast a ballot for the president in two states. The reporter identifies herself as an Obama supporter who has illegally registered to vote in Florida and Texas and plans to vote in both places.
Organizing for America Regional Field Director Stephanie Caballero – a salaried employee of the Democratic National Committee in Houston, Texas – offers to print out a ballot the reporter can mail to Florida.
“Oh my God, this is so funny,” Caballero says.“It’s cool though.”
However, this was no isolated incident. Project Veritas’ latest effort in Texas, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut shows Obama campaign workers helping people who say they want to commit election fraud.
In August, the Colorado Secretary of State’s Office sent out 4,000 letters to people on its voter rolls who are possible noncitizens ineligible to vote.
In September, the Florida Department of State identified 198 suspected noncitizens who were illegally registered to vote.
In two Ohio counties, the number of people currently registered to vote exceeds the voting-age population, according to the Columbus Dispatch. At least one out of every five registered Ohio voters is likely to be ineligible to cast a ballot.
True the Vote, a Houston-based election integrity group, has notified 160 counties across the nation that there are more voters on registration rolls than eligible voters in each county.
In February, the Pew Center said it found 2.8 million people with active registrations in more than one state.
According to Project Veritas, investigators contacted the North Carolina Board of Elections and presented it with a list of 30,000 residents who died between 2002 and 2012 and are still registered to vote.(And that’s in a state Obama won by only 14,000 votes in 2008!)
What makes you think that Republicans do not do exactly the same thing????
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117553 Oct 15, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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Legal allegiance. Some people who were born in the USA with three generations of US citizens before them turned out to be spys and traitors. The law is based on legal allegiance.
Right.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117554 Oct 15, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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Legal allegiance. Some people who were born in the USA with three generations of US citizens before them turned out to be spys and traitors. The law is based on legal allegiance.
You do agree that Omama's father was a foreigner don't you?
Grand Birther

Brooklyn, NY

#117555 Oct 15, 2012
Butthurt Loser wrote:
What part of this are you unable to comprehend? I put quotation marks around two keywords for ya. Try as you may you cannot get away from "not subject to any foreign power".
During the original debate over the amendment Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan—the author of the Citizenship Clause[8]—described the clause as having the same content, despite different wording, as the earlier Civil Rights Act of 1866, namely, that it excludes Native Americans who maintain their tribal ties and "persons born in the United States who are "foreigners", "aliens", who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."[
Lol, the court in Ark destroyed this silly argument, Barfer Girks.

Moreover, colloquy is INADMISSIBLE.

Not only are you WONG, you're arguing the LOSING side again. It's been settled for over 100 years.
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#117556 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
If it is about Obama, they twist the issue. I just Googled "snopes obama college records" and this is what I got:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers...
Ah, what does Obama's SSN have to do with his college records?
And this one debunks what snopes claims.

http://www.wnd.com/2011/09/344461/

E-verify says Obama's SSN was never issued.

It does not say it belonged to someone else.

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