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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117546 Oct 15, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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And you are not commenting on the issues. the US Supreme Court has ruled that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. And US law holds that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats, has and in fact must have, allegiance to the USA.
You think you can force someone to have allegiance with the U.S.? LOL
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#117547 Oct 15, 2012
It looks like Obama's going to win.

In scandalous footage captured by a Project Veritas videographer, a top Obama campaign worker gleefully helps an undercover reporter cast a ballot for the president in two states. The reporter identifies herself as an Obama supporter who has illegally registered to vote in Florida and Texas and plans to vote in both places.

Organizing for America Regional Field Director Stephanie Caballero – a salaried employee of the Democratic National Committee in Houston, Texas – offers to print out a ballot the reporter can mail to Florida.

“Oh my God, this is so funny,” Caballero says.“It’s cool though.”

However, this was no isolated incident. Project Veritas’ latest effort in Texas, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut shows Obama campaign workers helping people who say they want to commit election fraud.

In August, the Colorado Secretary of State’s Office sent out 4,000 letters to people on its voter rolls who are possible noncitizens ineligible to vote.

In September, the Florida Department of State identified 198 suspected noncitizens who were illegally registered to vote.

In two Ohio counties, the number of people currently registered to vote exceeds the voting-age population, according to the Columbus Dispatch. At least one out of every five registered Ohio voters is likely to be ineligible to cast a ballot.

True the Vote, a Houston-based election integrity group, has notified 160 counties across the nation that there are more voters on registration rolls than eligible voters in each county.

In February, the Pew Center said it found 2.8 million people with active registrations in more than one state.

According to Project Veritas, investigators contacted the North Carolina Board of Elections and presented it with a list of 30,000 residents who died between 2002 and 2012 and are still registered to vote.(And that’s in a state Obama won by only 14,000 votes in 2008!)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#117548 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And Snopes says it is true too. Thank you EPA!!!
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/trainfi ...
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
But have you not always maintained Snopes was a Soros thing? All of a sudden, like Huffington, Washington Post, you quote it when it suits you, still not understanding that reliable news sources will always deliver news it as is, leaving their opinions and editorials for the opinions and editorials pages.
If it is about Obama, they twist the issue. I just Googled "snopes obama college records" and this is what I got:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers...
Ah, what does Obama's SSN have to do with his college records?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117549 Oct 15, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
It looks like Obama's going to win.
In scandalous footage captured by a Project Veritas videographer, a top Obama campaign worker gleefully helps an undercover reporter cast a ballot for the president in two states. The reporter identifies herself as an Obama supporter who has illegally registered to vote in Florida and Texas and plans to vote in both places.
Organizing for America Regional Field Director Stephanie Caballero – a salaried employee of the Democratic National Committee in Houston, Texas – offers to print out a ballot the reporter can mail to Florida.
“Oh my God, this is so funny,” Caballero says.“It’s cool though.”
However, this was no isolated incident. Project Veritas’ latest effort in Texas, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut shows Obama campaign workers helping people who say they want to commit election fraud.
In August, the Colorado Secretary of State’s Office sent out 4,000 letters to people on its voter rolls who are possible noncitizens ineligible to vote.
In September, the Florida Department of State identified 198 suspected noncitizens who were illegally registered to vote.
In two Ohio counties, the number of people currently registered to vote exceeds the voting-age population, according to the Columbus Dispatch. At least one out of every five registered Ohio voters is likely to be ineligible to cast a ballot.
True the Vote, a Houston-based election integrity group, has notified 160 counties across the nation that there are more voters on registration rolls than eligible voters in each county.
In February, the Pew Center said it found 2.8 million people with active registrations in more than one state.
According to Project Veritas, investigators contacted the North Carolina Board of Elections and presented it with a list of 30,000 residents who died between 2002 and 2012 and are still registered to vote.(And that’s in a state Obama won by only 14,000 votes in 2008!)
Barfer Girks, is that you?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117550 Oct 15, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Butt Butt Butt Butthurt Loser, I see you've taken to call yourself "Barfer Girks."
<quoted text>
I know GB's not a female. However, were he, you'd lose all interest, so infatuated are you, in almost every post, with genders and weird sexual conotations.
Shhhh, wittle refugeeboi!
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#117551 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You think you can force someone to have allegiance with the U.S.? LOL
Legal allegiance. Some people who were born in the USA with three generations of US citizens before them turned out to be spys and traitors. The law is based on legal allegiance.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#117552 Oct 15, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
It looks like Obama's going to win.
In scandalous footage captured by a Project Veritas videographer, a top Obama campaign worker gleefully helps an undercover reporter cast a ballot for the president in two states. The reporter identifies herself as an Obama supporter who has illegally registered to vote in Florida and Texas and plans to vote in both places.
Organizing for America Regional Field Director Stephanie Caballero – a salaried employee of the Democratic National Committee in Houston, Texas – offers to print out a ballot the reporter can mail to Florida.
“Oh my God, this is so funny,” Caballero says.“It’s cool though.”
However, this was no isolated incident. Project Veritas’ latest effort in Texas, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut shows Obama campaign workers helping people who say they want to commit election fraud.
In August, the Colorado Secretary of State’s Office sent out 4,000 letters to people on its voter rolls who are possible noncitizens ineligible to vote.
In September, the Florida Department of State identified 198 suspected noncitizens who were illegally registered to vote.
In two Ohio counties, the number of people currently registered to vote exceeds the voting-age population, according to the Columbus Dispatch. At least one out of every five registered Ohio voters is likely to be ineligible to cast a ballot.
True the Vote, a Houston-based election integrity group, has notified 160 counties across the nation that there are more voters on registration rolls than eligible voters in each county.
In February, the Pew Center said it found 2.8 million people with active registrations in more than one state.
According to Project Veritas, investigators contacted the North Carolina Board of Elections and presented it with a list of 30,000 residents who died between 2002 and 2012 and are still registered to vote.(And that’s in a state Obama won by only 14,000 votes in 2008!)
What makes you think that Republicans do not do exactly the same thing????
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117553 Oct 15, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Legal allegiance. Some people who were born in the USA with three generations of US citizens before them turned out to be spys and traitors. The law is based on legal allegiance.
Right.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117554 Oct 15, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Legal allegiance. Some people who were born in the USA with three generations of US citizens before them turned out to be spys and traitors. The law is based on legal allegiance.
You do agree that Omama's father was a foreigner don't you?
Grand Birther

United States

#117555 Oct 15, 2012
Butthurt Loser wrote:
What part of this are you unable to comprehend? I put quotation marks around two keywords for ya. Try as you may you cannot get away from "not subject to any foreign power".
During the original debate over the amendment Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan—the author of the Citizenship Clause[8]—described the clause as having the same content, despite different wording, as the earlier Civil Rights Act of 1866, namely, that it excludes Native Americans who maintain their tribal ties and "persons born in the United States who are "foreigners", "aliens", who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."[
Lol, the court in Ark destroyed this silly argument, Barfer Girks.

Moreover, colloquy is INADMISSIBLE.

Not only are you WONG, you're arguing the LOSING side again. It's been settled for over 100 years.
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#117556 Oct 15, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
If it is about Obama, they twist the issue. I just Googled "snopes obama college records" and this is what I got:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers...
Ah, what does Obama's SSN have to do with his college records?
And this one debunks what snopes claims.

http://www.wnd.com/2011/09/344461/

E-verify says Obama's SSN was never issued.

It does not say it belonged to someone else.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117557 Oct 15, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, the court in Ark destroyed this silly argument, Barfer Girks.
Moreover, colloquy is INADMISSIBLE.
Not only are you WONG, you're arguing the LOSING side again. It's been settled for over 100 years.
Was Omama's father a foreigner?
goldengirl

Salt Lake City, UT

#117558 Oct 15, 2012
The "birth certificate" is as fake as obottom is!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117559 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Was Omama's father a foreigner?
Yes he was.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117560 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes he was.
And since his father was a foreigner; During the original debate over the amendment Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan—the author of the Citizenship Clause[8]—described the clause as having the same content, despite different wording, as the earlier Civil Rights Act of 1866, namely, that it excludes Native Americans who maintain their tribal ties and "persons born in the United States who are "foreigners", or "aliens", or who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."[

Notice where it says, "foreigners" or "aliens"? If his father was a foreigner then so was Barry. Very simple. That is of course, unless you try to twist the law into something it's not. You're acting inanely.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#117563 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You do agree that Omama's father was a foreigner don't you?
Sure, but legal allegiance and Natural Born Citizen status are based on the place of birth.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#117564 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
And since his father was a foreigner; During the original debate over the amendment Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan—the author of the Citizenship Clause[8]—described the clause as having the same content, despite different wording, as the earlier Civil Rights Act of 1866, namely, that it excludes Native Americans who maintain their tribal ties and "persons born in the United States who are "foreigners", or "aliens", or who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."[
Notice where it says, "foreigners" or "aliens"? If his father was a foreigner then so was Barry. Very simple. That is of course, unless you try to twist the law into something it's not. You're acting inanely.
But Howard was but one of hundreds of congressmen voting on the 14th Amendment, so what he says reflects his views but not necessarily those of the entire Congress, much less the thousands who voted for it in the state legislatures.

And it has been showed on this site that you have made selective quotations from Howard, and that he like most of the other members of Congress, was referring to the common law meaning of jurisdiction. In any case, what counts is the US Supreme Court ruling, not a selective quotation from Howard. Even if he had believed what you think, which has been showed not to be true, the US Supreme Court interpretation is the legal interpretation. And it ruled six to two (one not voting) that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law (hence not from Vattel or natural law) and that it refers to the PLACE of birth.

And it ruled that every child born in the USA was natural born, except for the children of foreign diplomats.
Grand Birther

United States

#117565 Oct 15, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Was Omama's father a foreigner?
Yep.

Who cares? Certainly not the United States Supreme Court.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117566 Oct 15, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure, but legal allegiance and Natural Born Citizen status are based on the place of birth.
Here's your answer;

Jacob M. Howard of Michigan—the author of the Citizenship Clause[8]—described the clause as having the same content, despite different wording, as the earlier Civil Rights Act of 1866, namely, that it excludes Native Americans who maintain their tribal ties and "persons born in the United States who are "foreigners", or "aliens", or who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers."[

Notice that it plainly states, "the Citizenship Clause has the same content as the earlier Civil Rights Act; namely that it EXCLUDES.....you can read those who are excluded for yourself. So, if you agree that Omama's father was not a citizen then case closed. Very simple.

Excluded: Foreigners, aliens, family members of Ambassadors, foreign ministries. Now which one of the above was Omama's father? An Ambassador? No. associated with foreign ministries? No. That only leaves "foreigner" and "alien". Take your pick.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117567 Oct 15, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
But Howard was but one of hundreds of congressmen voting on the 14th Amendment, so what he says reflects his views but not necessarily those of the entire Congress, much less the thousands who voted for it in the state legislatures.
And it has been showed on this site that you have made selective quotations from Howard, and that he like most of the other members of Congress, was referring to the common law meaning of jurisdiction. In any case, what counts is the US Supreme Court ruling, not a selective quotation from Howard. Even if he had believed what you think, which has been showed not to be true, the US Supreme Court interpretation is the legal interpretation. And it ruled six to two (one not voting) that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law (hence not from Vattel or natural law) and that it refers to the PLACE of birth.
And it ruled that every child born in the USA was natural born, except for the children of foreign diplomats.
This last statement is simply incorrect.

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