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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117146 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>they weren't located in the US, they had their own land and borders. There sovereignty was not limited, we had to make treaties with them, they were not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof.
They still have their own land and their own borders, and their sovereignty is limited.

On the one hand, BirfoonBoy admitted that Indian nations are "quasi-nations" and on the other he insists that their sovereignty is not limited. Duh!

We made treaties with them, and they ceded absolute sovereignty. FACT.
Grow up! Elk was born on a reservation wherein his tribe ceded absolute sovereignty. UR pissing in the wind.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Woo Wee! The Indian nations had borders and laws. That's news?

Unlike Canada and Mexico, they were/are located within the territorial limits of the United States, and their sovereignty is limited, unlike Canada and Mexico.

Elk had nothing to do with Canada and Mexico. UR on the wrong page, as usual.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117148 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dale used Vattel many times, and just used him again. Hee hee.
Howard told us that persons born in the US are US citizens. Get over it.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
<quoted text>
You just can't get away from that "not subject to any foreign power". LMAO Burnt out meth head.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117149 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Please point to where I used Vattel.
Got Alzheimer's?
Justice Dale wrote:
Damn, Vattel's Law of Nations is natural law
Jagoff! You said that today.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dale used Vattel many times, and just used him again. Hee hee.
Howard told us that persons born in the US are US citizens. Get over it.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#117151 Oct 13, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
<quoted text>
Mitt Romney was born in Michigan, his Father George Romney was born in Mexico, but had TWO US CITIZENS at birth, unlike Obama.
Yeah I know. I corrected that in a later post. I was thinking Mitt and wrote George. So do I get twenty lashes or just solitary confinement?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117152 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, Howard did tell us all persons born in the US are citizens, as long as they are subject to the Jurisdiction of the US Constitution, aliens born here are not, they at the moment of birth are citizens of their father's nation.
The Constitution does not and has ever recognized a dual-citizenship.
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, Senator Howard did not include play law in his statement.

“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dale used Vattel many times, and just used him again. Hee hee.
Howard told us that persons born in the US are US citizens. Get over it.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117153 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Got Alzheimer's?
<quoted text>
Jagoff! You said that today.
<quoted text>
hahahaha!!!Come-on puss, show us where I quoted Vattel, you can't!
How does them there crow eggs taste, Puss!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117154 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Got Alzheimer's?
<quoted text>
Jagoff! You said that today.
<quoted text>
Being the capitalist that I am, I will charge you for them there crow eggs! Yes, I take food stamps!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117155 Oct 13, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
NOT SUBJECT TO ANY FOREIGN POWER. So much for Omama being a U.S. citizen as at the time of birth, he was subject to a foreign power. Meaning his father's homeland. Thanks, glad we cleared that up.
Sorry, according to US law he was born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Operation of foreign law has no force or effect within US jurisdiction.

Similarly, if a child is born of US parents in Canada, that child is a natural born citizen of Canada. US citizenship law has no force or effect in Canada.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? Aliens in the US are subject to our laws, and unless they are foreign ambassadors or hostile foreign troops, they are subject to the laws of the United States, and not subject to a foreign power. The United States is a sovereign nation.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117156 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, Senator Howard did not include play law in his statement.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
<quoted text>
We all know Howard wasn't using ply law, he used natural law( what ever that may have been) and the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was the reason for the 14th amendment.
A foreign power, as defined by the State Department is a Nation other than the US.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#117157 Oct 13, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I take it that you want a truce? I will not mention any of your family members and you stay off of mine! Fair deal?
I don't like taking the low road but if that is where you want to go, I'll follow.
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
I will not agree to any sort of truce with you.
I have done so in the past and you were quick to violate it.
A truce means nothing to you.
Comment as you wish.
I really didn't think you would as you are a Libtard with the attention span of a gnat!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117159 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>hahahaha!!!Come-on puss, show us where I quoted Vattel, you can't!
How does them there crow eggs taste, Puss!
BirfoonBoy:"haven't use Vattel for a longtime"

BirfoonBoy:" Damn, Vattel's Law of Nations is natural law"

Yup, he just used Vattel again.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Got Alzheimer's?
<quoted text>
Jagoff! You said that today.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117160 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>We all know Howard wasn't using ply law, he used natural law( what ever that may have been) and the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was the reason for the 14th amendment.
A foreign power, as defined by the State Department is a Nation other than the US.
Correct, he didn't use birfoon play law.

“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

Wowee Zowee. A foreign power is a nation other than the US. That's news?

Maybe you should write your congressperson and inform him or her of that startling fact! I'm sure s/he will be thrilled.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, Senator Howard did not include play law in his statement.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117162 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
BirfoonBoy:"haven't use Vattel for a longtime"
BirfoonBoy:" Damn, Vattel's Law of Nations is natural law"
Yup, he just used Vattel again.
<quoted text>
Not only are you stupid, you can't effing read, please show us where I quoted Vattel! Why don't you take your communist ass back to Poland, I forgot they would hang you. Well, move to Cuba! Oh, I forgot it is to harsh and a puss like you would wither and die. Well, I guess you will have to stay here and be chastised. Ain't capitalism great!
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117163 Oct 13, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
<quoted text>
A Canadian man says to my husband, an American citizen: "Why is YOUR president (meaning Barack Obama) trying to get our (referring to Canada's) healthcare system into your country? Is he bonkers.
Jock, unless you are seriously brain damaged, anyone with an ounce of sense can figure out what this meant.
With all the lefties coming on here with their drive by shooting comments of "Birthers are stupid" you would think some of them would notice how stupid people on the left really are.
But then, they are hypocrites.
Jock, please go play your games somewhere else.
the Canadian man who said that to your husband is in the minority. Last poll taken was 80% in favour of keeping medicare, and most of those people also added that they would like to see it as a 100% universal health care plan, dentistry, drugs and all. Oh,l forgot drugs , eye care, all free after 65. And no forms to fill, just present your health card.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117165 Oct 13, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
the Canadian man who said that to your husband is in the minority. Last poll taken was 80% in favour of keeping medicare, and most of those people also added that they would like to see it as a 100% universal health care plan, dentistry, drugs and all. Oh,l forgot drugs , eye care, all free after 65. And no forms to fill, just present your health card.
Oh, is that the same Canadian friend who told your engineer husband that we had I.D. cards in Canada? We know about the rest. What are his qualifications, incidentally? Is he also a 6-week engineer graduate from the community college? Tell him : NOT. Tell your husband also, he's best get another source for Canadian facts.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117166 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct, he didn't use birfoon play law.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Wowee Zowee. A foreign power is a nation other than the US. That's news?
Maybe you should write your congressperson and inform him or her of that startling fact! I'm sure s/he will be thrilled.
<quoted text>
he,he,he! How does that water taste, Puss?
Oh, that dozen of crow eggs is $200.00, I do take a debit card, I have been informed food stamp are gone, a money order will work.
You have a good-nite, time to drink beer!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#117167 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? Aliens in the US are subject to our laws, and unless they are foreign ambassadors or hostile foreign troops, they are subject to the laws of the United States, and not subject to a foreign power. The United States is a sovereign nation.
""Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."- Jacob Howard
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117168 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, according to US law he was born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Operation of foreign law has no force or effect within US jurisdiction.
Similarly, if a child is born of US parents in Canada, that child is a natural born citizen of Canada. US citizenship law has no force or effect in Canada.
<quoted text>
You're either an idiot or you're just acting like an idiot, which is it Mobarf?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117169 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Not only are you stupid, you can't effing read, please show us where I quoted Vattel! Why don't you take your communist ass back to Poland, I forgot they would hang you. Well, move to Cuba! Oh, I forgot it is to harsh and a puss like you would wither and die. Well, I guess you will have to stay here and be chastised. Ain't capitalism great!
Got a clue the difference between used and quoted?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
BirfoonBoy:"haven't use Vattel for a longtime"
BirfoonBoy:" Damn, Vattel's Law of Nations is natural law"
Yup, he just used Vattel again.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117170 Oct 13, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
the Canadian man who said that to your husband is in the minority. Last poll taken was 80% in favour of keeping medicare, and most of those people also added that they would like to see it as a 100% universal health care plan, dentistry, drugs and all. Oh,l forgot drugs , eye care, all free after 65. And no forms to fill, just present your health card.
All free? LMAO what a dolt!

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