BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117137 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The Indian Nations had borders and laws, just as Canada and Mexico.
Obama was born a citizen of his father's Nation, of which we had treaties.
Woo Wee! The Indian nations had borders and laws. That's news?

Unlike Canada and Mexico, they were/are located within the territorial limits of the United States, and their sovereignty is limited, unlike Canada and Mexico. Elk had nothing to do with Canada and Mexico. UR on the wrong page, as usual.
wojar wrote:
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Huh? Elk concerned persons not born citizens though born within the territorial limits of the United States. Specifically, Indians not taxed.
The UK and Kenya were never within the territorial limits of the US.
Kapiolani Hospital was not on an Indian reservation and the President was not born of an Indian tribe.
Get your head on straight!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117138 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>I haven't use Vattel for a longtime, don't need to, Howard told us what law the 14th Citizenship Clause was written under.
Dale used Vattel many times, and just used him again. Hee hee.

Howard told us that persons born in the US are US citizens. Get over it.

“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
wojar wrote:
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BirfoonBoy: "I don't use de Vattel."
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117139 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Woo Wee! The Indian nations had borders and laws. That's news?
Unlike Canada and Mexico, they were/are located within the territorial limits of the United States, and their sovereignty is limited, unlike Canada and Mexico. Elk had nothing to do with Canada and Mexico. UR on the wrong page, as usual.
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they weren't located in the US, they had their own land and borders. There sovereignty was not limited, we had to make treaties with them, they were not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117140 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dale used Vattel many times, and just used him again. Hee hee.
Howard told us that persons born in the US are US citizens. Get over it.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
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Yep, Howard did tell us all persons born in the US are citizens, as long as they are subject to the Jurisdiction of the US Constitution, aliens born here are not, they at the moment of birth are citizens of their father's nation.
The Constitution does not and has ever recognized a dual-citizenship.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117141 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Dale used Vattel many times, and just used him again. Hee hee.
Howard told us that persons born in the US are US citizens. Get over it.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
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Please point to where I used Vattel.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117143 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Huh? Aliens in the US are subject to our laws, and unless they are foreign ambassadors or hostile foreign troops, they are subject to the laws of the United States, and not subject to a foreign power. The United States is a sovereign nation.
NOT SUBJECT TO ANY FOREIGN POWER. So much for Omama being a U.S. citizen as at the time of birth, he was subject to a foreign power. Meaning his father's homeland. Thanks, glad we cleared that up.
ehancock

Arlington, MA

#117144 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>that is right, the UK and Kenya are real nations, Obama was born a citizen of his father's real Nation.
Sorry, the Indian Nations bordered the US and were delt with by treaties. The US Constitution had no jurisdiction over them, they weren't citizens, wheather born on their land or off it.
Obama was born in the USA, in Hawaii, and hence under the Wong Kim Ark ruling of the US Supreme Court, he is a Natural Born US Citizen.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117146 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>they weren't located in the US, they had their own land and borders. There sovereignty was not limited, we had to make treaties with them, they were not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof.
They still have their own land and their own borders, and their sovereignty is limited.

On the one hand, BirfoonBoy admitted that Indian nations are "quasi-nations" and on the other he insists that their sovereignty is not limited. Duh!

We made treaties with them, and they ceded absolute sovereignty. FACT.
Grow up! Elk was born on a reservation wherein his tribe ceded absolute sovereignty. UR pissing in the wind.
wojar wrote:
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Woo Wee! The Indian nations had borders and laws. That's news?

Unlike Canada and Mexico, they were/are located within the territorial limits of the United States, and their sovereignty is limited, unlike Canada and Mexico.

Elk had nothing to do with Canada and Mexico. UR on the wrong page, as usual.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117148 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dale used Vattel many times, and just used him again. Hee hee.
Howard told us that persons born in the US are US citizens. Get over it.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
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You just can't get away from that "not subject to any foreign power". LMAO Burnt out meth head.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117149 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Please point to where I used Vattel.
Got Alzheimer's?
Justice Dale wrote:
Damn, Vattel's Law of Nations is natural law
Jagoff! You said that today.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dale used Vattel many times, and just used him again. Hee hee.
Howard told us that persons born in the US are US citizens. Get over it.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#117151 Oct 13, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
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Mitt Romney was born in Michigan, his Father George Romney was born in Mexico, but had TWO US CITIZENS at birth, unlike Obama.
Yeah I know. I corrected that in a later post. I was thinking Mitt and wrote George. So do I get twenty lashes or just solitary confinement?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117152 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, Howard did tell us all persons born in the US are citizens, as long as they are subject to the Jurisdiction of the US Constitution, aliens born here are not, they at the moment of birth are citizens of their father's nation.
The Constitution does not and has ever recognized a dual-citizenship.
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, Senator Howard did not include play law in his statement.

“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dale used Vattel many times, and just used him again. Hee hee.
Howard told us that persons born in the US are US citizens. Get over it.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117153 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Got Alzheimer's?
<quoted text>
Jagoff! You said that today.
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hahahaha!!!Come-on puss, show us where I quoted Vattel, you can't!
How does them there crow eggs taste, Puss!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117154 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Got Alzheimer's?
<quoted text>
Jagoff! You said that today.
<quoted text>
Being the capitalist that I am, I will charge you for them there crow eggs! Yes, I take food stamps!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117155 Oct 13, 2012
LRS wrote:
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NOT SUBJECT TO ANY FOREIGN POWER. So much for Omama being a U.S. citizen as at the time of birth, he was subject to a foreign power. Meaning his father's homeland. Thanks, glad we cleared that up.
Sorry, according to US law he was born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Operation of foreign law has no force or effect within US jurisdiction.

Similarly, if a child is born of US parents in Canada, that child is a natural born citizen of Canada. US citizenship law has no force or effect in Canada.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? Aliens in the US are subject to our laws, and unless they are foreign ambassadors or hostile foreign troops, they are subject to the laws of the United States, and not subject to a foreign power. The United States is a sovereign nation.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117156 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, Senator Howard did not include play law in his statement.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
<quoted text>
We all know Howard wasn't using ply law, he used natural law( what ever that may have been) and the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was the reason for the 14th amendment.
A foreign power, as defined by the State Department is a Nation other than the US.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#117157 Oct 13, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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I take it that you want a truce? I will not mention any of your family members and you stay off of mine! Fair deal?
I don't like taking the low road but if that is where you want to go, I'll follow.
Johannes wrote:
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I will not agree to any sort of truce with you.
I have done so in the past and you were quick to violate it.
A truce means nothing to you.
Comment as you wish.
I really didn't think you would as you are a Libtard with the attention span of a gnat!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117159 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>hahahaha!!!Come-on puss, show us where I quoted Vattel, you can't!
How does them there crow eggs taste, Puss!
BirfoonBoy:"haven't use Vattel for a longtime"

BirfoonBoy:" Damn, Vattel's Law of Nations is natural law"

Yup, he just used Vattel again.
wojar wrote:
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Got Alzheimer's?
<quoted text>
Jagoff! You said that today.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#117160 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>We all know Howard wasn't using ply law, he used natural law( what ever that may have been) and the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was the reason for the 14th amendment.
A foreign power, as defined by the State Department is a Nation other than the US.
Correct, he didn't use birfoon play law.

“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

Wowee Zowee. A foreign power is a nation other than the US. That's news?

Maybe you should write your congressperson and inform him or her of that startling fact! I'm sure s/he will be thrilled.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, Senator Howard did not include play law in his statement.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117162 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
BirfoonBoy:"haven't use Vattel for a longtime"
BirfoonBoy:" Damn, Vattel's Law of Nations is natural law"
Yup, he just used Vattel again.
<quoted text>
Not only are you stupid, you can't effing read, please show us where I quoted Vattel! Why don't you take your communist ass back to Poland, I forgot they would hang you. Well, move to Cuba! Oh, I forgot it is to harsh and a puss like you would wither and die. Well, I guess you will have to stay here and be chastised. Ain't capitalism great!

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