BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 189974 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 8, 2009, titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117072 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
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His statements are not controlling, and they don't agree with birfoon fantasy. Sorry.
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Controlling enough to get the Citizenship Clause ratified in 1868.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117073 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Non sequitur.
According to Dale's play law, the 14th abolished US jurisdiction over aliens because "the Constitution makes citizens now".
Nonsense.
<quoted text>
nothing to abolish, aliens have never been under the jurisdiction of the Constitution.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#117074 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>No, I don't have to use Vattel!
This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already (Civil Rights Act), that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction(US Constitution), is by virtue of natural law and national law (Civil Rights Act) a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States.
Was Howard using Vattel in he above (natural law)?
He was using neither Vattel nor birfoon play law.

“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

Sorry.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
of course Dale doesn't have to use Vattel when he has play law.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#117076 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Controlling enough to get the Citizenship Clause ratified in 1868.
All concerned were aware that his words would never be controlling in a court of law.

Sorry. Play law doesn't count.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
His statements are not controlling, and they don't agree with birfoon fantasy. Sorry.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#117077 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>nothing to abolish, aliens have never been under the jurisdiction of the Constitution.
UR going in circles.

Birfoon: "sorry, the Constitution makes citizens now."
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Non sequitur.
According to Dale's play law, the 14th abolished US jurisdiction over aliens because "the Constitution makes citizens now".
Nonsense.
<quoted text>
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117078 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
He was using neither Vattel nor birfoon play law.
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Sorry.
<quoted text>
How do you know he wasn't using Vattel, looks like it from what you posted.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117081 Oct 13, 2012
President Starky wrote:
Ryan lost no votes for his pro-life stance.
No one who is in Opus Dei can vote for Ryan after the debate and a non-Christian.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#117082 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know he wasn't using Vattel, looks like it from what you posted.
“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

U think he was "using" Vattel?

UR going in circles.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
He was using neither Vattel nor birfoon play law.
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Sorry.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117083 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
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UR going in circles.
Birfoon: "sorry, the Constitution makes citizens now."
<quoted text>
In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94, the court was specifically asked to address “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” and held it meant:


The persons declared to be citizens are “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them (U.S.) direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.

Obama was born a citizen of his father's nation a fact you can't change.

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Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117084 Oct 13, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
"PAUL RYAN IS EXCOMMUNICATED LATAE SENTENTIAE BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WHILE LOSING THE ENTIRE CATHOLIC VOTE – BOTH CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL"
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President Starky wrote:
Link?
LINK? There is no "link." How stupid.
I posted extensively earlier today from the exact words of the infallible doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church on the subject of killing children while they are still in the womb of their mothers. Please consult the widely-circulated documents of the Roman Catholic Church that are everywhere.
Do you need a link to know that Joe DiMaggio was a baseball player who was married to Marilyn Monroe?

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Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117085 Oct 13, 2012
President Starky wrote:
Link?
Not everything is a "link." How uneducated. Most of the important stuff is in that new media: PRINTED BOOKS!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117087 Oct 13, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
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Wow, still going on about this, huh?
It's sad that you've not yet learned how wrong you are. It's worse that you do not understand our nation's laws.
You do realize that people more learned than yourself have more eloquently made similar arguments and have lost miserably, and for more than 125 years now too.
It must suck to be a birfer, Justice Derp.
In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94, the court was specifically asked to address “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” and held it meant:


The persons declared to be citizens are “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them (U.S.) direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.

Obama was born a citizen of his father's nation, fact.

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Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117088 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
The USSC did neither. The 14th is as it was in 1868, with all of the backup material.
BACK UP MATERIAL??
There is no such thing in legislation. The plain words of the statute speak for themselves without any annotation.
Did you miss the first 800-years of our grand tradition of Anglo-American jurisprudence, "justice?"

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117089 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
I don't have to use Vattel, do I, Howard didn't, unless he was talking about Vattel when he stated natural law.
Where is natural law written down, so that EVERYONE can read it?
Why do you keep avoiding this most basic question? Is it because there is no natural law, that it is merely a construct?
Who do you think first described natural law? Do you have any background as a natural law theorist as many people who went to real colleges are?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#117090 Oct 13, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
"If Obama has been responsible for the recovery of the stock market, he is responsible for the down turn!!!"
Terri Tanna wrote:
What down turn? Please provide exact dates of any 10% or 15% decline in the U.S. equity markets. Thank you.
Easy, From October 2007 when the high in the DJIA was 14,090 until it bottomed out in March 2009 at 6,547 which is an OVER 50% drop!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DJIA_2000s_... (log).svg

And in the past three week AAPL has dropped 12% and the DJIA has dropped 2.2% and a significant number of experts expect a 10% correct before the election. And if it does, who's fault will it be? Remember, you have given Obama 100% of the credit for it's rise so will it be his fault if it corrects down 10% or more?
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117091 Oct 13, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
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You are lying.
Face it.
You got caught lying.
I have no idea how what I wrote us a lie. I made no statements. That is your response?
Oh, in my haste, the boards. Yes there are boards. Three come to mind. Abortion, specially underarge ones and pulling the plug on comatoze patients. And of individual psyschiatric treatment with, when possible, familial input. I'm glad we have them.

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Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117092 Oct 13, 2012
Are you sure you are not el grande "birther?" You seem to mimic his obsessively repetitive posting of debunked nonsense ("Why isn't there a raised seal on the pdf?")

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#117093 Oct 13, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
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He said "Why is your president trying to get our healthcare system put into your country? Is he bonkers?"
Ya know they still have room for one more judge symbol in the lower right corner and I would like to see a fencing foil (for touche')!!!

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Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117094 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
Aliens are not citizens, therefore not subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
By your OCD repetitive posting of debunked and unsupported legal theories, you resemble verdant tooth -- a completely ignorant and uneducated poster who was laughed off this thread because of her/his obvious lack of education beyond a GED.

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Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117095 Oct 13, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
There is no determination for illegals!
They are deported right away.
So you do not support Willard&Paul on their advocacy of free market economic principles?
You must be some kind of a pinko socialist commie then.

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