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Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#117021 Oct 13, 2012
President Starky wrote:
<quoted text>
You're sitting there with a computer in front of your face.
I'm quite sure you can look it up.
Laws almost always create unanticipated consequences. This is certainly likely to be the case when politicians bend over backwards to accommodate the currents of political correctness.
ObamaCare uses the Social Security language of the Internal Revenue Code to determine who is eligible for “religious conscience” objection to the insurance mandate. Specifically, the law provides exemptions for adherents of “recognized religious sects” that are “conscientiously opposed” to accepting benefits from any insurance, public or private.
As a consequence of this provision, Muslims may claim a religious exemption that is denied Christians and Jews. Since Islam believes insurance is haraam (forbidden) and likens insurance to gambling, the religion is excluded from requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. Others who fall into this category are the Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists. Although the U.S. Constitution grants all Americans equal protection of the law, some Americans are more equal than others.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamacares-muslim-exe...
Remember last night when you said Muslims were exempt from ObamaCare?

Yea, I do. I sure handed you your ass on a plate. I noticed that right after I did so, you disappeared. We haven't forgotten how you made yourself look like a fool.

Hey, come up with some more birther Obama lies and we'll show you the truth on those as well.

Birthers are so very funny.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#117022 Oct 13, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me, but is it obligatory for birthers to intentionally act dumb for all to see?
I think it's in the definition of birther.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#117023 Oct 13, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
"There is no [none, nada, not a one] economic study that supports the notion that allowing the wealthy to keep a greater share of their income creates jobs.
"Right now U.S. corporations are sitting on hordes of cash -- that alone is insufficient to create jobs. It is also an unsupportable myth that jobs are only created by the wealthy. Many corporations that are losing money continue to expand their operations creating more jobs in the process."
====
LRS wrote:
There's no study to disprove it either. No one wants to do business as long as Odumbo is in office. Very simple actually. Commonsense is all that is required. That is why you fail to understand life. No commonsense.
TOTALLY FALSE. There was a symposium on this reprinted in Econometrica at the time of the Reagan administration.
=
The reason you don't understand ANYTHING about macroeconomics is that you think it is all common sense. Please tell the Class what the common sense perspective is on the first derivative.
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#117024 Oct 13, 2012
President Starky wrote:
<quoted text>
My mistake.
He was given the ring during a muslims ritual of manhood to boyhood rights.
I missed that one. Link?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117025 Oct 13, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Change, amend. Is there any difference?
The USSC did neither. The 14th is as it was in 1868, with all of the backup material.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117026 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
So Vattel didn't understand jurisdiction? He was wrong?
Vattel's work is controversial? Thanks for the laugh.
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Said the birfoon who allegedly doesn't use de Vattel.
And, of course, black's law dictionary is totally off-base because it doesn't incorporate play law into its definition of jurisdiction.
jurisdiction, n.(14c) 1. A government's general power to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory;
Black's Law Dictionary, 9th edition.
Grow up.
<quoted text>
I don't have to use Vattel, do I, Howard didn't, unless he was talking about Vattel when he stated natural law.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#117027 Oct 13, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me, but is it obligatory for birthers to intentionally act dumb for all to see?
Nobody ever stopped you, did they?
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117028 Oct 13, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
<quoted text>
You are no Canadian.
You're a fraud.
Why don't you enlighten these people how long you'd have to wait to get surgery if you had breast cancer?
Who decides that for you? Is it a board of nurses or a board of doctors?
Does the health system in Canada pay for your tooth care, and what about your eye care as well?
Can you expect the Canadian health care system to pay for a sex change?
How long can you expect to wait in the waiting room to see a doctor in the emergency room?
I am sure if you are a true Canadian, you can answer these questions, can't you?
Now, on the subject of illegals.
What determines whether a person is illegal or not?
How long do illegals have to wait to be deported?
Are they allowed back into Canada, or do they have to wait to come back?
1. I am Canadian. My ancestors go back to the late-early 17th-18th century. But that is of no significance, because if you don't want to believe it, nothing I can do about it;
2. Breast cancer? My brother had brain and lung cancer. It took about 3 days to receive the necessary chemotherapy with surgery a month later, a few days after chemo was over. He died anyhow, no one recovers from lung and brain cancer. My sister-in-law had double breast cancer, was looked after from day 1 of detection, is in remission. Not looking for sympathy here, no way, just illustrating how it goes. Oh, cost : ZERO. There are horror cases where action is not swift enough after detection of ANY illness, System is far from perfect, and needs much tweeting. But doctors, clinics, hospitals, are there for ANY Canadian and no one goes through his/her wallet to locate a Visa card;
3. ONLY the doctor decides for us. Check it out. Whether for a visit, referral to a specialist, drugs and medication, exams, analyses or surgery, and hospital stay, ONLY the attending physicians decide and approve. There is no board, and no one to ask permission from as you have with insurance companies in the U.S. The only exception is drugs, they have to be approved as a whole by the Health board as a matter of policy, not individually. If you feel you are unjustly treated because such and such a drug is not approved for you, you may appeal. But, except for new new drugs, it's rare;
4,5. Tooth and eye care. Dentists and eye care are not covered by our govt plan. They should be. However, all mun, prov and fed civil servants are indeed covered, aas per most companies, premium about $20 per month, coverage is 80% of doctor's fee. It is estimated that 75% of Canadians are covered for the aforementioned;
6. Sex changes are paid for, but they do have to go through a board as we are talking elective surgery here, with psychological ramifications. Even allowed for prisoners which I think is stupid;
7. Wait in emergency room to see a doctor? In Québec,(health plans are provincial in Canada) 15 to 30 hours. Scandalous. In other provinces, average waiting time is 6-10 hours. However, there are private clinics all over that are covered 100% by govt health plan. According to reports, they are not used enough and they could alleviate the pressure on Hospital E.R.s. Not perfect, ER care, but it works nonetheless and don't forget, better to get it free, to be obtainable than not even having the option to wait albeit long because of no health coverage.

ILEGAL ALIENS :

...2
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117029 Oct 13, 2012
ILLEGALS :

a) Determination ? Board of immigration appeals. They decide and decision can be appealed right up to superior court;
b) Any illegal has to merely step on Canadian soil and he is not deportable. Process will take as long as 5 years before deportation order is given. It's crazy, I'm totally against that. Should not take 5 yrs to determine eligibility;
c) In some cases, they can re-apply, yes, specially where humane factors are proven or if repatriation to their home country poses a danger.

Satisfied? Was that quick enough to prove I have not even googled my reply or checked anywhere? I have good knowledge of my country and my counbtry's legislation, as I have of yours.

Our health laws are far from perfect. And do no forget, we are in a tight fiscal situation now, as are you. Dollars are important and the health programme is expensive. No cuts so far, but some beds have been closed. Not good. But Sioux, Canada and the U.S. are members of the OECD. 34 richest countries. All but one, the US, have universal health care plans. Are the other 34 poorer because of those plans? I think not. Where does the U.S. stand as refers to life expectancy out of 34? Childbirth deaths, where does it stand? I won't tell you, don't want to rile you, but look them up. Does perhaps lack of universal health care have anything to do with it? No free preventive medicine,,no ER visits unless danger of death, and even then, you may be ruined for life, unable to purchase expensive drugs. Anyhow, when universal health care was introduced in Canada in 1965, politicians received death threats, doctors rebelled, government was locked in fillibusters, and 2/3 of population was against it. Well, ask the population what it thinks today, in spite of non-perfect health care.

Please pardon the typos in both posts, I did not re-read either.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#117030 Oct 13, 2012
Still waiting, Jock for you to answer my questions about your country.
Let me guess, you're googling for answers, aren't you?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117031 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Despite the fact that Senator Howard's opinion is not controlling, he didn't believe children born in the US of alien parents were subject to a foreign power. Indeed, he believed that such children were born citizens of the United States.
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
<quoted text>
If Howard's words are not controlling, why do you post them so much?
Howard was correct! Aliens born here are not subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#117032 Oct 13, 2012
Why don't you enlighten these people how long you'd have to wait to get surgery if you had breast cancer?

Who decides that for you?

Is it a board of nurses or a board of doctors?

Does the health system in Canada pay for your tooth care, and what about your eye care as well?

Can you expect the Canadian health care system to pay for a sex change?

How long can you expect to wait in the waiting room to see a doctor in the emergency room?

I am sure if you are a true Canadian, you can answer these questions, can't you?

Now, on the subject of illegals. What determines whether a person is illegal or not?

How long do illegals have to wait to be deported?

Are they allowed back into Canada, or do they have to wait to come back?
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117033 Oct 13, 2012
President Starky wrote:
<quoted text>
Look it up.
The rest of the class already got that memo
Typical LRS clone. He fabricates it, is asked for proof, says it's already been posted. How it must suck to have to tell outright barefaced lies, specially when he knows everyone's aware, even his fellow birther birfoons.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117034 Oct 13, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Please see scud sr. with your lunacy. She'll be able to understand your mumblings. Otay wittle buckwheat? LMAO at scud jr!
You shoot this birther down in flames, he adds to the flames and throws his parachute away and yells "I winnnnn" . Ha ha.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117035 Oct 13, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, just not satisfactory, eh boy. For example, well, free lesson for you. You see, I was able to upset you, as was Johannes, with nary a hint of name-calling or obscenities. Yet, you felt you needed "heavy ammunition" to respond, so you came up with "pond scum". No, sorry, LRS, that won't do it, not adequate, not a response that even approximates a hint of intelligence. Okay, tell you what, think about a response to that one and this post, think long and hard, check with google if you like, and try and come back with a good tit-for-tat post, devoid of name-calling, obscenity, and racism. Can you do that, eh boy?
I know your memory is failing you old coot but try to keep up. I've been calling you pond scum for a long time now! Remember? Rattle that head around, maybe you'll shake something loose. LMAO at the tugboat turdport!
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117036 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The USSC did neither. The 14th is as it was in 1868, with all of the backup material.
You're out of order. That was not the question.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#117037 Oct 13, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
1. I am Canadian. My ancestors go back to the late-early 17th-18th century. But that is of no significance, because if you don't want to believe it, nothing I can do about it;
2. Breast cancer? My brother had brain and lung cancer. It took about 3 days to receive the necessary chemotherapy with surgery a month later, a few days after chemo was over. He died anyhow, no one recovers from lung and brain cancer. My sister-in-law had double breast cancer, was looked after from day 1 of detection, is in remission. Not looking for sympathy here, no way, just illustrating how it goes. Oh, cost : ZERO. There are horror cases where action is not swift enough after detection of ANY illness, System is far from perfect, and needs much tweeting. But doctors, clinics, hospitals, are there for ANY Canadian and no one goes through his/her wallet to locate a Visa card;
3. ONLY the doctor decides for us. Check it out. Whether for a visit, referral to a specialist, drugs and medication, exams, analyses or surgery, and hospital stay, ONLY the attending physicians decide and approve. There is no board, and no one to ask permission from as you have with insurance companies in the U.S. The only exception is drugs, they have to be approved as a whole by the Health board as a matter of policy, not individually. If you feel you are unjustly treated because such and such a drug is not approved for you, you may appeal. But, except for new new drugs, it's rare;
4,5. Tooth and eye care. Dentists and eye care are not covered by our govt plan. They should be. However, all mun, prov and fed civil servants are indeed covered, aas per most companies, premium about $20 per month, coverage is 80% of doctor's fee. It is estimated that 75% of Canadians are covered for the aforementioned;
6. Sex changes are paid for, but they do have to go through a board as we are talking elective surgery here, with psychological ramifications. Even allowed for prisoners which I think is stupid;
7. Wait in emergency room to see a doctor? In Québec,(health plans are provincial in Canada) 15 to 30 hours. Scandalous. In other provinces, average waiting time is 6-10 hours. However, there are private clinics all over that are covered 100% by govt health plan. According to reports, they are not used enough and they could alleviate the pressure on Hospital E.R.s. Not perfect, ER care, but it works nonetheless and don't forget, better to get it free, to be obtainable than not even having the option to wait albeit long because of no health coverage.
ILEGAL ALIENS :
...2
Jock, why are you lying?

It takes DAYS, sometimes weeks before a determination from a board of doctors is made about your next move, whether you receive surgery or not.

Sex changes are not paid for.

Sometimes people have to wait days, before they can see a doctor in the emergency room, as opposed to several hours here in the USA.

And why are you not complaining about such a crappy healthcare system?

I bet it's because you get it free and anything free is good to a socialist, whiny, poopy diapered, helpless baby such as yourself, even if it's defective.
A socialist is a helpless, baby with a poop filled diaper waiting to be changed by their government parents.

Here in the USA, we love to work for what we have and we have no problem shopping around for the best care.
There is no way in hell Americans will accept your horrific socialized medical system.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117038 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
By treaty, according to birfoon play law.
Exceptions are introduced by treaty, Duh!
“The country where one is born, how accidental soever his birth in that place may have been, and although his parents belong to another country, is that to which he owes allegiance. Hence the expression natural born subject or citizen, & all the relations thereout growing. To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.” Amy v. Smith, 11 Ky. 326, 340 (Ky. 1822).
Play law doesn't count.
<quoted text>
sorry, the Constitution makes citizens now.
Aliens are not citizens, therefore not subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117039 Oct 13, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Pretty funny that when Butthurt Wannabe Troll gets her/his arse handed to her/him, s/he replies with some name calling.
Mr. Fake Christian, did you ever figure out why that reply was addressed to you?
Have you provided an analysis of unskewedpolls methodology yet?
What a failure Butthurt Wannabe Troll is.
Barker Girks, waz happnin' cuz? LMAO
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#117040 Oct 13, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
Still waiting, Jock for you to answer my questions about your country.
Let me guess, you're googling for answers, aren't you?
Look above you? How many months would it take you to come up with something like that? No goodling, no searches, just spontaneous. I will await your corrections.

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