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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117056 Oct 13, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I really like the part that says, "not subject to any foreign power". Guess they knew the Flappers would crawl out eventually.
yep, those dumb bastards think a subject of a foreign power is an ambassador.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States.

“Stuffs gettin better ”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#117057 Oct 13, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
1. What takes days? For elective surgery like a major one, sex change, yes, there is a board. Makes sense, no? As to all other surgeries, no board. None. And once approved, they are paid for in their entirety. I agree with that, when judged necessary, but not the ones on prisoners. For all maladies, surgeries, there is no such board. Where'd you get this?
2. Yes, specially in Québec, it can take up to a day and a half. Not so in the other 9 provinces. And, face it, best to wait than not being able to because you can't afford it. Talk to me of consequence of not having universal health care. Did you look at those statistics? Why are you last or almost last?;
3. It's not free. We all pay taxes, but paying taxes is fairer than individual premiums as it's shared by all, by the younger ones who rely less on medical assistance, compensating for an older segment of society;
4. The diaper analogy is disgusting btw. But it confirms what I wrote about you not having anything but an obscenity-laced reply;
5. You Americans love to work. I guess that means Canadians are shiftless bums. So be it. As are all other 33 OECD countries that enjoy an even better health care system than we do in Canada.
So jackie, are you post-op or pre-op?
:)
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117058 Oct 13, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Lol, Butthurt Wannabe Troll is getting trolled hard today. She's responding to posts not even addressed to her.
It's so sad to see mentally and physically deficient types try so hard and fail.
Barfer Girks! Waz happnin cuz? LMAO

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#117059 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>I don't have to use Vattel, do I, Howard didn't, unless he was talking about Vattel when he stated natural law.
of course Dale doesn't have to use Vattel when he has play law.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
So Vattel didn't understand jurisdiction? He was wrong?
Vattel's work is controversial? Thanks for the laugh.
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Said the birfoon who allegedly doesn't use de Vattel.
And, of course, black's law dictionary is totally off-base because it doesn't incorporate play law into its definition of jurisdiction.
jurisdiction, n.(14c) 1. A government's general power to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory;
Black's Law Dictionary, 9th edition.
Grow up.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#117060 Oct 13, 2012
4.
Siouxweety wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no determination for illegals!
They are deported right away.
Canadians have an identification card which denotes they are citizens.
Any illegal caught without it, is automatically deported.
They are not allowed back in the country without a citizenship card.
That is the legal way of doing it.
There are many people from India, Africa and Middle Eastern countries that think they can easily gain entrance into the USA by going through Canada, but a monkey wrench is thrown into their plans once they are caught without a citizenship card.
Wow Jock, you claim you know more about the USA than we do.
Well, I just proved that I know more about Canada than you do.
The American healthcare system is the best in the entire world.
It only became apparent to cry babies that it was supposedly bad.
The gubbermint is expected to pay for everything the freeloaders want, but the morons don't understand. It's not free!
Someone pays for it.
Anthing you get from the government is something that someone paid for.
I'd rather pay for my own things, thank you.
Please, stay in Canada.
Why do you do this? Where do you get this misinformation?

1. There is a determination for illegal, as there is protection for them;
2. They are NEVER deported right away. Our system is the easiest and most taken-advantage of. You set foot in Canada, you are a refugee and can stay as long as 5 years unless you have a proven criminal record OR your country of origin asks for your extradition, which , in case of 99.9% of refugees coming from poor countries is NEVER the case, DOH;
3. Very few Asians gain entry in the US via Canada. We get hundreds of thousands of South and Central American refugees here in Canada that transit through the US, with US authorities closing their eyes to it. They even ease their way across US lines into Canada because both those authorities and the refugees know once on Canadian soil, they'll be there to stay at least 5 years and it reduces the US agents' and govt's work. Hell why not, let those sucker Canadians have them . I do resent it, as many Canadians also do. Once you have landed, you'll have free stipend from our govt as, as a refugee, you are not allowed to work. Five years on the taxpayer's bill. I hate it. Either declare them legal or out they go. A bill is going through parliament right now to rectify that silly law;
4. Canadians have no I.Ð. Where'd you get that? I.D. cards are unconstitutional here, we have NONE. We tried a few years back, parliament voted against them. I think we should have them, but we don't. Now I have to teach you something about your own country. You also don't have I.D. cards,same as us. Our aliens carry the equivalent of a green card (called landed immigrant visa or refugee status card) but no I.d.

You just proved you know more about Canada than me? Check the above. You just proved you know squat about it, why, before I hopped aboard Topix, bet you didn't even know what the capital was. Oh, do you? Thank god for google, right? Check it out. As to my knowing more of your country than you, that's a given and it's no boast as I believe most Americans and Canadians know more about your own country than you do.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#117061 Oct 13, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL this from a guy who came on here acting condescending to anyone that he didn't like.
You're a wimp.
Make sure you have enough clean panties, ok?
You make condenscending so easy, Sioucs. Re-read your last sentence. Smart, right?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#117062 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>If Howard's words are not controlling, why do you post them so much?
Howard was correct! Aliens born here are not subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution.
His statements are not controlling, and they don't agree with birfoon fantasy. Sorry.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Despite the fact that Senator Howard's opinion is not controlling, he didn't believe children born in the US of alien parents were subject to a foreign power. Indeed, he believed that such children were born citizens of the United States.
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#117063 Oct 13, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
4.<quoted text>
Why do you do this? Where do you get this misinformation?
1. There is a determination for illegal, as there is protection for them;
2. They are NEVER deported right away. Our system is the easiest and most taken-advantage of. You set foot in Canada, you are a refugee and can stay as long as 5 years unless you have a proven criminal record OR your country of origin asks for your extradition, which , in case of 99.9% of refugees coming from poor countries is NEVER the case, DOH;
3. Very few Asians gain entry in the US via Canada. We get hundreds of thousands of South and Central American refugees here in Canada that transit through the US, with US authorities closing their eyes to it. They even ease their way across US lines into Canada because both those authorities and the refugees know once on Canadian soil, they'll be there to stay at least 5 years and it reduces the US agents' and govt's work. Hell why not, let those sucker Canadians have them . I do resent it, as many Canadians also do. Once you have landed, you'll have free stipend from our govt as, as a refugee, you are not allowed to work. Five years on the taxpayer's bill. I hate it. Either declare them legal or out they go. A bill is going through parliament right now to rectify that silly law;
4. Canadians have no I.Ð. Where'd you get that? I.D. cards are unconstitutional here, we have NONE. We tried a few years back, parliament voted against them. I think we should have them, but we don't. Now I have to teach you something about your own country. You also don't have I.D. cards,same as us. Our aliens carry the equivalent of a green card (called landed immigrant visa or refugee status card) but no I.d.
You just proved you know more about Canada than me? Check the above. You just proved you know squat about it, why, before I hopped aboard Topix, bet you didn't even know what the capital was. Oh, do you? Thank god for google, right? Check it out. As to my knowing more of your country than you, that's a given and it's no boast as I believe most Americans and Canadians know more about your own country than you do.
LMAO!!!!!!
Where am I getting this information?
From the horse's mouth.
But do keep spinning.
It's adorable.

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#117064 Oct 13, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You make condenscending so easy, Sioucs. Re-read your last sentence. Smart, right?
You bitch and whine more than a woman does.
Are you sure you were born with man parts?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117065 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
of course Dale doesn't have to use Vattel when he has play law.
<quoted text>
No, I don't have to use Vattel!

This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already (Civil Rights Act), that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction(US Constitution), is by virtue of natural law and national law (Civil Rights Act) a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States.

Was Howard using Vattel in he above (natural law)?
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#117066 Oct 13, 2012
Siouxweety wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO!!!!!!
Where am I getting this information?
From the horse's mouth.
But do keep spinning.
It's adorable.
So what did the man from Canada say to your husband?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#117067 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>sorry, the Constitution makes citizens now.
Aliens are not citizens, therefore not subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
Non sequitur.

According to Dale's play law, the 14th abolished US jurisdiction over aliens because "the Constitution makes citizens now".

Nonsense.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
By treaty, according to birfoon play law.
Exceptions are introduced by treaty, Duh!
“The country where one is born, how accidental soever his birth in that place may have been, and although his parents belong to another country, is that to which he owes allegiance. Hence the expression natural born subject or citizen, & all the relations thereout growing. To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.” Amy v. Smith, 11 Ky. 326, 340 (Ky. 1822).
Play law doesn't count.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#117068 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Non sequitur.
According to Dale's play law, the 14th abolished US jurisdiction over aliens because "the Constitution makes citizens now".
Nonsense.
<quoted text>
1822 doesn't count.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#117069 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>If Howard's words are not controlling, why do you post them so much?
Howard was correct! Aliens born here are not subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution.
His words were never controlling, and he understood that.

Why is Dale so upset that I quote his hero's statements that are clearly at odds with birfoon play law?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Despite the fact that Senator Howard's opinion is not controlling, he didn't believe children born in the US of alien parents were subject to a foreign power. Indeed, he believed that such children were born citizens of the United States.
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#117070 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>They are not subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution until they are citizen.
According to Dale's birfoon play law.

So what?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Play law doesn't count.
"temporary allegiance. The impermanent allegiance owed to a state by a resident alien during the period of residence."
Black's Law Dictionary, 9th Edition.
“...of the compact also redound to aliens residing within the territory of the United States, who are deemed to owe TEMPORARY ALLEGIANCE to the United States and thereby are entitled to the reciprocal protections of the Constitution. See United States v. Barona....”(emphasis added)
Ashkir v. U.S., 46 Fed.Cl. 438, 2000 WL 348805, Fed.Cl., April 04, 2000 (NO. 96-351L).

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#117071 Oct 13, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
So what did the man from Canada say to your husband?
He said "Why is your president trying to get our healthcare system put into your country? Is he bonkers?"
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117072 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
His statements are not controlling, and they don't agree with birfoon fantasy. Sorry.
<quoted text>
Controlling enough to get the Citizenship Clause ratified in 1868.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#117073 Oct 13, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Non sequitur.
According to Dale's play law, the 14th abolished US jurisdiction over aliens because "the Constitution makes citizens now".
Nonsense.
<quoted text>
nothing to abolish, aliens have never been under the jurisdiction of the Constitution.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#117074 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>No, I don't have to use Vattel!
This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already (Civil Rights Act), that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction(US Constitution), is by virtue of natural law and national law (Civil Rights Act) a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States.
Was Howard using Vattel in he above (natural law)?
He was using neither Vattel nor birfoon play law.

“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

Sorry.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
of course Dale doesn't have to use Vattel when he has play law.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#117076 Oct 13, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Controlling enough to get the Citizenship Clause ratified in 1868.
All concerned were aware that his words would never be controlling in a court of law.

Sorry. Play law doesn't count.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
His statements are not controlling, and they don't agree with birfoon fantasy. Sorry.

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