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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116745 Oct 12, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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You have it in reverse. You should ask what the church is doing in the government and on dollar bills.
Reverse sounds about for you jacqazz.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#116746 Oct 12, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Obama campaign office shot at in Denver today.
Probably by a well-adjusted conservative like Rogue Bumpkin or LRS.
Or he was troll for , ah er, gays to pick up like Kal Penn did in DuPont Cir in DC two years ago.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#116747 Oct 12, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Mobarf, do you know how ludicrous your attempted mocking of me looks? Why yes mobarf, I think the conspiracy began as far back as the 1700s. Sounds quite stupid, don't you think? So, I take it you simply choose to ignore the "and not subject to any foreign power" phrase? Is that correct? And you are aware that this was national law in 1866? Is this correct? This law was intended to prevent exactly what you're trying to say it "is" for. This idea of anyone born on U.S. soil is automatically a U.S. citizen is simply incorrect. You're either ignoring this fact or you're not understanding what it is you're reading. Play your word and twisted half truths game with someone else.
Senator Howard was also aware of the law in 1866.

“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

So was the circuit court in Look Tin Sing and the USSC in Wong Kim Ark and in numerous other cases.

Children of ordinary aliens born in the US are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and not to any foreign power. Children born to foreign ambassadors are born subject to foreign powers.

That's the law.

Play law doesn't count.
wojar wrote:
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“The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not.” Lynch v. Clarke, 3 NY Leg. Obs. 236, 246 (N.Y. Ch. 1844).
Chancellor Sandford was biased for President Obama in 1844?
“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.”
Rep. Bingham, The Congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869). Oops, more pro Obama bias?
Garder v. Ward, 2 Mass. 244 (1805)
“The doctrine of the common law is that every man born within its jurisdiction is a subject of the sovereign of the country where he is born, and allegiance is not personal to the sovereign in the extent that has been contended for; it is due to him in his political capacity of sovereign of the territory where the person owing the allegiance as born.”
Wow, pro Obama bias in 1805!
Amy v. Smith, 11 Ky. 326, 340 (Ky. 1822)
“The country where one is born, how accidental soever his birth in that place may have been, and although his parents belong to another country, is that to which he owes allegiance. Hence the expression natural born subject or citizen, & all the relations thereout growing. To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.”
More pro Obama bias in 1822!

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#116748 Oct 12, 2012
Looking at it wrote:
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Duh?
I think creating jobs would be a start to weed out the working homeless from the hand-out waiting homeless.
Let me guess you voted for Oslacker?
Its because of actions and thoughts like yours that we have had to endure 3 plus years of total lunacy in Washington. What a farce he turned out to be, much worse then anyone could have imagined.
Fortunately thats all about to change. The novelty is gone and he will follow!
Creating jobs how by giving the rich more tax cuts? Obviously if that worked unemployment would have never peaked at 10 percent. Romney has no plan to create jobs nor does he need one.

“Moody’s Analytics, in an August forecast, predicts 12 million jobs will be created by 2016, no matter who is president. And Macroeconomic Advisors in April also predicted a gain of 12.3 million jobs.

In other words, this is a fairly safe bet by Romney, even if he has a somewhat fuzzy plan for action. We have often noted that presidents are often at the mercy—or the beneficiary—of broad economic trends and Romney’s pledge appears to be an effort to take advantage of that”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-...

Nice of you to at least recognize that there are in fact working homeless. That's more than I can say for Romney.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#116751 Oct 12, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Obama campaign office shot at in Denver today.
Probably by a well-adjusted conservative like Rogue Bumpkin or LRS.
You do know that both Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and George C. Wallace were shot by DEMOCRATS, don't you?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116752 Oct 12, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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Re: " choose to ignore the "and not subject to any foreign power" phrase? "
The obvious reason to ignore it is that it is not in the 14th Amendment. It is in the Civil Rights Act of 1866 but NOT in the 14th, which was passed in 1868, two years later, and which includes the words "subject to the jurisdiction."
Under strict construction if a law or an amendment does not say "and not subject to any foreign power" it does not mean "not subject to any foreign power."
So what does "subject to the jurisdiction" mean? The US Supreme Court decided, along with such Congressional leaders as Bingham and Trumbull, that it refers to the common law meaning of jurisdiction, being subject to the laws. So the US Supreme Court ruled that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen.
There's no way for you to get away from "not owing allegiance to any other foreign power". No way. And every baby born on U.S. soil is not a citizen of the U.S. Period.
MyTwoCents

Park Ridge, IL

#116754 Oct 12, 2012
LRS wrote:
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You're dead on. I just paid 5.28 for a gallon of MILK! If I'm not mistaken I think milk is a renewable resource, yet that is roughly two dollars more than I paid for a gallon of gasoline (non renewable) the other night. What kind of logic is that? It's not, it's a lack of....
brains on your part. I paid $1.79 for a gallon of milk. It's called shopping around for the best value.

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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116756 Oct 12, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
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I bet Rogue wishes that what he wrote made an iota of sense.
Sadly, the above gibberish is all these birfer conservatives are capable of.
Let me guess, you're lost? LMAO

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#116757 Oct 12, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
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I bet Rogue wishes that what he wrote made an iota of sense.
Sadly, the above gibberish is all these birfer conservatives are capable of.
Most shootings are done by ... Liberals. Probably some gay Occutard!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116758 Oct 12, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Too bad for BirfoonBoy, but Senator Howard considered persons born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws to be born citizens. His understanding of "natural law and national law" incorporated the jus soli principle from English common law:
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Sorry, loser.
Bullchit on the first few lines. You're either not understanding what you're reading or you're trying to twist the truth to fit you story. Which is it Mobarf?
MyTwoCents

Park Ridge, IL

#116761 Oct 12, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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Catholic Bishops Rebuke Biden Over Contraception Mandate Claims:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/cath...
Who cares? Wingnuts? Obviously. As long as you can find any whining point you run to it like rodents to garbage (an apt analogy).

They can stop pouting about not being able to not being able to shove their agenda down everyones throat regardless of religious beliefs.

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#116764 Oct 12, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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Re: " choose to ignore the "and not subject to any foreign power" phrase? "
The obvious reason to ignore it is that it is not in the 14th Amendment. It is in the Civil Rights Act of 1866 but NOT in the 14th, which was passed in 1868, two years later, and which includes the words "subject to the jurisdiction."
Under strict construction if a law or an amendment does not say "and not subject to any foreign power" it does not mean "not subject to any foreign power."
So what does "subject to the jurisdiction" mean? The US Supreme Court decided, along with such Congressional leaders as Bingham and Trumbull, that it refers to the common law meaning of jurisdiction, being subject to the laws. So the US Supreme Court ruled that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen.
Ellen, children born in the US of ordinary aliens are not born subject to a foreign power. The "foreign power" phrase was omitted from the amendment because it would have been redundant if included. The citizenship clauses of the amendment and of the Act both exclude children born subject to foreign powers, such as children of foreign ambassadors.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116765 Oct 12, 2012
MyTwoCents wrote:
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brains on your part. I paid $1.79 for a gallon of milk. It's called shopping around for the best value.
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What is that some off brand crap that spoils just days after you buy it?
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#116766 Oct 12, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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I guess the government is begging to be overthrown and a large number of people occupying our country need to be purged from this land.
That's got to be the reason.
I'd like to know why Muslims are exempt from Obamacare.
What happened to equal protection under the law?
I'd like to know why you think Muslims are exempt.
MyTwoCents

Park Ridge, IL

#116768 Oct 12, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Why is the government meddling in the church anyway?
It's not; but you're not bright enough to understand anything that's not spoon fed to you.

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Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#116769 Oct 12, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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And you, you go on people facebook page and then his daughters. What a pervert you are!
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No, YOU are accusing me of pimping my daughter. Tell us, do you pimp your wife? Now I am not accusing you of doing so and even if I had your, or her, facebook page I would not go on it.
But that is the problem with perverts like you. Nothing is beyond you.
Just look at Sarah Palin's daughter? Oh, it is not that she got pregnant but because she did not get an abortion is what upsets you.
If fact, you probably don't have any children as most Libtards I know as so self centered, they don't want any. Sad, very sad.
Like I said yesterday....if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#116770 Oct 12, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Grand Birther wrote:
Obama campaign office shot at in Denver today.
Probably by a well-adjusted conservative like Rogue Bumpkin or LRS.
You do know that both Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and George C. Wallace were shot by DEMOCRATS, don't you?
...and Lincoln was shot by an actor.....wasn't Raygunz an actor???
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#116771 Oct 12, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Most shootings are done by ... Liberals. Probably some gay Occutard!
I just know you have gobs of data to back up that statement.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116772 Oct 12, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
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I'm sorry, Mr. Fake Christian, but you still have yet to explain your understanding of unskewedpolls's methodology.
Once you do that, we can move on to the other issues you have.
Barfer Girks, what's happnin' cuz? Let me ask you this Barfer, why do you think I owe you jackshat? LMAO
MyTwoCents

Park Ridge, IL

#116773 Oct 12, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
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The fix is in, SKANK!
The Republicans are going to win the Presidency.
Doesn't that just warm the coddles of your heart?
Not likely, Stupid.

But hey, go ahead and have your little fantasy.

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