BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#116611 Oct 12, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
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You must have gone to school for many years beyond high school to think that who's ("who is") is the same as whose.
got the point didn't you!
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#116612 Oct 12, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Mark this poster with an "SFB".
Never a reply that addresses the topic.

Never a reply that disputes the previous comment.

Never a reply with any substance.

Always a reply with namecalling.

Always a reply with a personal attack.

Always a reply that is worthless.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#116613 Oct 12, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
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Hmmm. Every learned Judge and trained legal mind in the Country or LoserRepastingSpam - who is wrong? Boy that's a tough call!
Not if you're Loose Repugnant Slug (LRS). He really believes he's a better legal mind than all them thar Dimcacratic judges.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#116614 Oct 12, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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Yawn!
Must not like the truth.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#116615 Oct 12, 2012
President Starky wrote:
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He didn't!
He showed up long after is was discovered.
Why do I bother? Well, my contribution to educating the unwashed, I suppose. Okay. I added "on behalf of the queen of Spain". Get it? There were already natives on Hispaniola, so obviously it had already been discovered but on whose behalf who knows?
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#116616 Oct 12, 2012
President Starky wrote:
A little girl asked her father:'How did the human race appear?'
The father answered,'God made Adam and Eve; they had children; and so was all mankind made.'
Two days later the girl asked her mother the same question.
The mother answered,'Many years ago there were monkeys from which the human race evolved.'
The confused girl returned to her father and said,'Dad, how is it possible that you told me the human race was created by God, and Mom said they developed from monkeys?'
The father answered,'Well, Dear, it is very simple. I told you about my side of the family, and your mother told you about hers.'
Ho ho. Then please explain why the monkeys eventually got smarter than the other version?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#116617 Oct 12, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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So, Howard, one guy (important, but not the sole expert in Congress) said it. One guy.
The US Supreme Court did not believe that his view represented the majority of the members of Congress, much less the thousands who voted for the 14th Amendment in the state legislatures.
They believe that the meaning comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, and their decision is FINAL (unless overturned by another SC decision or by a Constitutional Amendment, neither of which is even remotely likely.)
Doesn't matter he offered it and was accepted in its entirety as offered, now law of the land.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#116618 Oct 12, 2012
Johannes wrote:
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We Vikings got here first.
It matters not, Johannes, LRS was not around so if could not have happened.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#116619 Oct 12, 2012
Johannes wrote:
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We Vikings got here first.
Did the Vikings sail across "the pond"?. Best ask LRS.

“zero nuclear weapons”

Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#116620 Oct 12, 2012
Rouge has talk about wining in Nam, Sun Tzu had it right.
It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.

We did not know the mindset of the Vietcong at all.
The military thought they could fight them like they had always in the past with others

The French tried that and lost

“Stuffs gettin better ”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#116621 Oct 12, 2012
"When a wise man debates with a fool,the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet"
Proverbs 29:9

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NMxIzJ-ieao/UHgQJvw...

"President Starky says stuff's gettin better"
2012
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#116622 Oct 12, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't matter he offered it and was accepted in its entirety as offered, now law of the land.
Dream on. the US Supreme Court has the final decision, and it decided in the Wong Kim Ark case that every child born in the USA (except for those of foreign diplomats) is a Natural Born Citizen.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#116623 Oct 12, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
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Because he understood -- as does anyone who has ACTUALLY studied The Law (unlike the impeached "justice")-- that legislative colloquy (the only irrelevant quote the obsessive legal ignoramus knows) means nothing under the 800-years of Anglo-American jurisprudence about which the legal ignoramus knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
=
How come he cannot name a single legal scholar or international law scholar with whom he has studied or ANY LEGAL TREATISE he has ever studied? All he offers is his own uneducated and uninformed bias -- nothing related to the Rule of Law and legal method that every one of our revered Founders and Framers followed in drafting our sacred United States Constitution.
"Because he understood", he sure did. He wanted another class of people for cheap labor, and to validate all of the Europeans living here that were not citizens.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#116624 Oct 12, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Ipse dixit fallacy.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Sorry, but the US decides what rights and privileges aliens have per US law, according to its sovereign authority.
<quoted text>
by treaty!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#116625 Oct 12, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, I don't use de Vattel, to controversial. The 14th was nothing more than the Civil Rights Act of 1866, placed into the Constitution as an amendment.
"Subject to the jurisdiction,thereof" simply means, "not subject to any foreign power".
Subject to the jurisdiction of means having to obey the law of the United States. Everyone in the USA, citizens and aliens (both legal and illegal) has to obey the laws of the USA. Only foreign diplomats and their families do not, and they are the only ones in the USA that are not subject to the jurisdiction.

“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. John A. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#116626 Oct 12, 2012
nebka wrote:
Rouge has talk about wining in Nam, Sun Tzu had it right.
It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.
We did not know the mindset of the Vietcong at all.
The military thought they could fight them like they had always in the past with others
The French tried that and lost
Well said, Nebka. And one other thing Rogue and so many like him forgot : Never underestimate your enemy. Never mock your enemy and always respect your enemy or (my addition) they will whup your sorry ass.
Jacques Ottawa

North York, Canada

#116627 Oct 12, 2012
And what is more, Vietnam heralded a new kind of war, a war where no nation, no matter its overwhelming numbers and armaments, will ever conquer another nation again. The Korean war was the last "conventional" war, well, sorta. If the surrender of the WW II Germans was happening today, the conventional war would continue underground and we'd call the resistants "terrorist", as in that kind of war, there are no holds barred. No more vanquished. Vietnam changed all that.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#116628 Oct 12, 2012
wojar wrote:
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There is no such thing as a temporary citizen.
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, the child is born subject to the jurisdiction thereof, without regard to the parent's political condition (with the exception of foreign ambassadors, etc.) The child's citizenship does not depend upon the parent's condition. Never has, and unless there is an amendment, never will.
Sorry, that's the LAW. If you want to change it, get an amendment.
<quoted text>
and there is no such thing as temporary allegiance, all of that crap has been taken care of by treaty agreements.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#116629 Oct 12, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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Dream on. the US Supreme Court has the final decision, and it decided in the Wong Kim Ark case that every child born in the USA (except for those of foreign diplomats) is a Natural Born Citizen.
The USSC can't change the Constitution, they tried and failed. A redress will be coming soon.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#116630 Oct 12, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>and there is no such thing as temporary allegiance, all of that crap has been taken care of by treaty agreements.
Every child in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen.

"Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other.“Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning." The Wall Street Journal.

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)

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