BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Ellen1

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Have you found a copy of Obama's long form birth certificate with a raised embossed State seal issued by Hawaii DOH???
You won't, because there isn't one.
Where is the proof that a mistake happened in regards to Obama's fraudulent SSN?
Your delusional fantasy is not proof.
I just answered your comments about the raised seal.

About the proof that there is a mistake. Well, time to think a little. It's up to you to prove that it wasn't a mistake. Since there are millions upon millions of mistakes in the files, and since no one on Congress has ever claimed that Obama "stole the number," there is obviously a good chance that it was a mistake. In any case, there is NO proof that it was stolen and not a mistake, and without such proof there can be no criminal charge.

The following is the LIKELY explanation:

The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Soci...

http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/2...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-200137...

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Funny thing about that Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. It was passed by the House with a vote of 416-0, and also by the Senate with only two senators voting NO....and they were both Demoracts. But you go on believing that it was the Dems who lied....semms like ALL the repubs voted for the VietNam War.
Oh, so a unanimous vote makes something not a lie. There was no doubt about the attack on Pearl Harbor and at the time no one question the Gulf of Tonkin incident but that does not make it so either.
What is funny is that you seem to hate any war started by a Republican, but love any war done by a Democrat. Case in point, G. H.W. Bush had a majority approval of Congress to war against Saddamn Hussein but many of you claim he lied. Ergo the war was illegal. And then when G.W. Bush resumed the war you claimed he was illegal even though Congress had approved the war.
How long did the Barbary Pirate War last and were did the battles take us?

“Facts trump speculation”

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Terri Tanna wrote:
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Dare you to tell the Class the name of any scholar with whom you have studied international law. Ha Ha Ha Ha
He studied at Tacky's play law sand box university.
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treaties are international law.
Justice Dale

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LRS wrote:
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Illegal is illegal. Deport their azzes as soon as they're discovered. Patrol that damn fence with some military aircraft and live weapons. Strafe as necessary to stop the problem. No added cost to the US taxpayer as these planes are in the air anyway. Bet that would get their attention in short order and if not, then they would be the ones getting shorter! Those who help the illegals should be banned for life from entering the US again. If caught, life in prison. Life is tough. Life is tougher when you break laws.
It is a full-blown invasion!
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1975:Travis Walton Alien Abduction Takes Place...

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Oh, so a unanimous vote makes something not a lie. There was no doubt about the attack on Pearl Harbor and at the time no one question the Gulf of Tonkin incident but that does not make it so either.
What is funny is that you seem to hate any war started by a Republican, but love any war done by a Democrat. Case in point, G. H.W. Bush had a majority approval of Congress to war against Saddamn Hussein but many of you claim he lied. Ergo the war was illegal. And then when G.W. Bush resumed the war you claimed he was illegal even though Congress had approved the war.
How long did the Barbary Pirate War last and were did the battles take us?
1) the point is that VietNam was supported by the repubs as well as the dems.

2) Well, there isn't much difference between a lie from LBJ and the support of Congress to start the VietNam war and a lie from Bush and the support of Congress to start a war with Iraq now is there?

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Terri Tanna wrote:
President Starky wrote:
"Then again, maybe the U.S. taxpayer bought it like we have everything else rouge and Frank owns."
Just like you Tootsie, I used U.S. dollars. But for some reason you think drug dealers "earned" their money while people like me earned our money with service to our country.
You ask me why I have contempt for Obama but you have contempt for people like me and I never stole anything.
If you can read and write, thank a teacher.
If you can read and write in English, thank a Vet.!

But maybe you are upset that we Army dudes ruffed up your daddy during the Democrat Convention riots in Chicago in 1968?!?
Ellen1

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The court is wrong. His allegiance is the same as his father's. Thus, he owes allegiance only to his father's homeland. He should never be considered a U.S. citizen. TaTa you Buttflappers!
US law holds that a person has only one allegiance, and that is the the country where he is born. Consider a dual US/German citizen and say that he acts against the USA during WWII. If he were born in the USA, he can be tried for treason. If he is the son of US citizens but was born in Germany, he cannot be tried for treason. We, like the British before us, consider that allegiance cannot be divided DESPITE dual citizenship, and that the sole criterion of allegiance that WE use is the place of birth.

In a speech before the House of Representatives in May of 1789, James Madison said:

"It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."
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Visiting aliens are under the protection of the US while here, and reciprocally owe temporary allegiance to the US. According to OUR law, they cannot vote, and according to OUR law they are not eligible for the draft.
And if they violate OUR law, they are subject to the consequences.
Grow up!
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Bullshit, does that mean a child born here of a visiting alien is a temporary citizen. I can live with that, we just roundup their asses and send them home, where their citizenship is permanent.

“Facts trump speculation”

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>All you can do is obfucate, you haven't an idea.
Thank you for admitting you do not have an answer.

Maybe after a beer run you can come up with another non sequitur.
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There he goes again, with the treaty red herring.
I'm sorry, but if an alien were to rob a bank in Wichita, the right of the US to prosecute in federal court, and imprison the miscreant, would not depend upon any treaty.
If a foreign country's law stated that their citizens must obey US law while in the US, it would have no relevance to prosecution in the US. In addition to being liable to prosecution in the US, such foreign citizens would be liable to prosecution within their own country as well. Foreign law does not give the US permission to exercise its authority within its dominions.
Grow up!

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
If you can read and write in English, thank a Vet.!
But maybe you are upset that we Army dudes ruffed up your daddy during the Democrat Convention riots in Chicago in 1968?!?
What a crock!
This country has never been in danger of foreign invasion in that past 195 years.
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You performed no service; you simply took money from the U.S. taxpayers without accomplishing a damn thing.
BTW, my Dad was in Viet Nam as a Marine in 1968.
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Terri Tanna wrote:
Terri Tanna wrote:
"What is the best treatise on jurisdiction (of all types -- in the broadest use of that term) that you can recommend to those in the Class who wish to become as learned as you?"
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"NOW YOU PROVE YOURSELF TO BE A COMPLETE AND UTTER UNEDUCATED SIMPLETON.
"Please provide citations to at least three jurisdictional provisions in the Bible. Thank you.
"BTW, to which edition of the Bible are you referring? Please provide the date of the translation, the publisher, and page citations."
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Thus, the uneducated simpleton proves his ignorance. The Mosaic law has nothing (ZERO, NADA) to do with jurisdiction.
YES -- I challenge you to cite "all ten" "you shall nots."
DARE YOU to post TEN "you shall nots."
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While you are citing the Bible (unidentified edition because you know absolutely nothing about sacred scripture), please tell the Class which of the Ten determines jurisdiction over a crash of a commercial airplane in Tennessee that took off from Laguardia with L.A. as the destination when the ticket was purchased by an Israeli national at ticket counter in New Jersey.
In identifying which of the Ten determines jurisdiction, you may use either Arabic or Roman numerals. Thank you.
hahaha!! I pissed you-off! Just pickup your toys and go home!
You might want to check and see if you are following the laws of God.
The remainder of you post is irrelevant.
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Bullshit, does that mean a child born here of a visiting alien is a temporary citizen. I can live with that, we just roundup their asses and send them home, where their citizenship is permanent.
Not only is a child born here of visiting aliens a citizen, but she or he is a Natural Born Citizen.

The Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court ruling put it this way:

"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."
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wojar wrote:
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Thank you for admitting you do not have an answer.
Maybe after a beer run you can come up with another non sequitur.
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How's that water tasting, Spanky!
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Beer time!
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Ellen1 wrote:
the haters believe Corsi simply because that is what they want to believe, what they NEED to believe. As the story goes, guy's a closet Moslem and he goes around with "Allah is great" on a big ring. I suppose we can call Obama many things, and be right on some, but stupid's not one of them.
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President Starky wrote:
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I couldn't finish reading it.
I was getting hot and bothered. LOL
"Stuff's gettin better"
Gettinghot and bothered, eh? Couldn't finish it ,eh? Switched to your one and only lover, hellooooo, hand.
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Ellen1 wrote:
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Not only is a child born here of visiting aliens a citizen, but she or he is a Natural Born Citizen.
The Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court ruling put it this way:
"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."
This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law (Civil Rights Act of 1866) a citizen of the United States. Mr. Howard

Damn, I just can't see English common law in the above. I wonder where Gray got that idea?

Oh, Mr. Howard offered the amendment, it was ratified in its entirety and made law.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>International law is the set of rules generally regarded and accepted as binding in relations between states and nations, a treaty is a good example.
Hee hee hee! Why don't you read what your hero says?

Emmerich de Vattel:

Ҥ 84. Jurisdiction.

The sovereignty united to the domain establishes the jurisdiction of the nation in her territories, or the country that belongs to her. It is her province, or that of her sovereign, to exercise justice in all the places under her jurisdiction, to take cognisance of the crimes committed, and the differences that arise in the country.”

Hee hee hee!
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FALSE -- please tell the Class where international law is codified and what countries passed proper resolutions to abide by the codified international law. If it is not written where everyone has access to it, it is not LAW, and that makes you an ignorant and uneducated person who knows NOTHING about our sacred Constitution much less international law.
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Dare you to tell the Class the name of any scholar with whom you have studied international law. Ha Ha Ha Ha

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Johannes wrote:
According to a new study, psoriatic arthritis will develop in 100% of the people who have been on the receiving end of anal sex.
I would expect a comment from someone like you. And I note that no one from the left has condemned you for the remark. Especially Jacques who claims to have a soft heart for people who have physical or mental issue.
Oh, the only thing that has been up my azz is a doctors gloved finger and two endoscopic. And I have never messed wit anyone elses azz hole as I know where the correct place to place my pecker is.
But I am into M&S and think it is funny when people like you go annal as I know you are intellectually bankrupt without a sane thing to say.

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