BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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LRS wrote:
The court is wrong. His allegiance is the same as his father's. Thus, he owes allegiance only to his father's homeland.
On this side is LRS, who cannot cite any case law, any treatise, any scholarly article to support his strained reading of the Constitution.
On the other side is the United States Supreme Court (and its many ultra-conservative, strict constructionist Justices) acting with LEGAL FINALITY in accord with its mandate under the United States Constitution, following our 224-year rule of The Law within our great 800-year tradition of Anglo-American jurisprudence.
NO WONDER YOU ARE EMBARRASSED TO ADMIT YOU HAVE NEVER READ A SINGLE SCHOLARLY WORK ABOUT OUR SACRED CONSTITUTION.
Instead, as is the case with all the really ignorant and uneducated "birther"-tea crumpets, you JUST MAKE THINGS UP.
HOW PATHETIC AND UNPATRIOTIC.
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Do you agree that, if a minor (under 18-years of age) is born and raised in the United States of America, she comes under the jurisdiction of the Constitution and can, therefore, vote or be drafted while she is a child? You do agree, don't you?
Only if her father was a citizen of the US. Children born in the US of a visiting alien father are subject to the jurisdiction of the father's country of origin. Yes/No?

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text> Visiting aliens belong to a foreign power and do not come under the jurisdiction of the Constitution, if this were not so, a visiting alien could vote and be drafted into the US Military.
Visiting aliens are under the protection of the US while here, and reciprocally owe temporary allegiance to the US. According to OUR law, they cannot vote, and according to OUR law they are not eligible for the draft.

And if they violate OUR law, they are subject to the consequences.

Grow up!
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Sure, our sovereign nation of we the people does not have jurisdiction within its dominions.
Idiotic.
jurisdiction, n.(14c) 1. A government's general power to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory;
Black's Law Dictionary, 9th edition.

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"What is the best treatise on jurisdiction (of all types -- in the broadest use of that term) that you can recommend to those in the Class who wish to become as learned as you?"
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"NOW YOU PROVE YOURSELF TO BE A COMPLETE AND UTTER UNEDUCATED SIMPLETON.
"Please provide citations to at least three jurisdictional provisions in the Bible. Thank you.
"BTW, to which edition of the Bible are you referring? Please provide the date of the translation, the publisher, and page citations."
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You shall not, do you want all 10.
Thus, the uneducated simpleton proves his ignorance. The Mosaic law has nothing (ZERO, NADA) to do with jurisdiction.
YES -- I challenge you to cite "all ten" "you shall nots."
DARE YOU to post TEN "you shall nots."
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While you are citing the Bible (unidentified edition because you know absolutely nothing about sacred scripture), please tell the Class which of the Ten determines jurisdiction over a crash of a commercial airplane in Tennessee that took off from Laguardia with L.A. as the destination when the ticket was purchased by an Israeli national at ticket counter in New Jersey.
In identifying which of the Ten determines jurisdiction, you may use either Arabic or Roman numerals. Thank you.
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Try this on for size and point out the lie.
There is NO copy of Obama's long form birth certificate with a raised embossed State seal issued by Hawaii DOH.
There is NO proof that a mistake happened in regards to Obama's fraudulent SSN.
What you got Poopoo stain?
The embossed seal simply does not come out in a PDF scan.

How do we know that it exists? We know that Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate in several ways.

The first is the short-form birth certificate. It is generated by a clerk in the Hawaii DOH reading the information in the files and entering it in a computer form. For that to happen there has to be a document in the files. In Obama's case that happened back in 2007 (though it was not published until 2008) when Obama was only a candidate for president---long before he became the leading candidate, much less president. The clerk would have had to have been lying in 2007, and the confirmations by the Republican officials in 2008 would have to be lies as well.

Conclusion: There was certainly a Hawaii birth certificate in the files when Obama received his short form birth certificate in 2007 and when it was published in 2008 and when the officials confirmed it in 2008. They could of course all be lying, but why would they?

In addition, we know that Obama had a birth certificate in 1961 from the notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH in that year. We know that only the DOH could send those notices in three ways. First because the representative of the newspapers said so, second because the representative of the DOH said so and third because the section of the newspaper was called "Health Bureau Statistic"---which obviously meant that the facts in it came from the Health Bureau, the DOH. In 1961, the DOH was not allowed to issue birth certificates to children born outside of Hawaii, and it only sent birth notices to the papers for children born in Hawaii. Oh, and in the DOH was operating under Republican governor.

Some birthers claim that in 1961 Hawaii granted birth certificates to anyone whose relatives applied, but the officials in Hawaii have denied that was the case. They insist that the law in 1961 did not allow the DOH to issue a birth certificate that said "born in Honolulu (or any Hawaii location)" unless the child was actually born in that location and that there was evidence of it. And, you know, there are hundreds of thousands of people who were alive and living in Hawaii in 1961, and after that statement was made not one of them wrote to the newspapers or blogged that it was a lie.

So we know that Obama had a Hawaii birth certificate.

Your claim is that although this certificate exists and although the officials in Hawaii stated that they sent both the short form and the long form version of it to him, and despite a reporter having said that she felt the seal on it--that both the officials in Hawaii and the reporter are lying because the embossed seal does not show up on a PDF scan.

It should be obvious why an embossed seal does not show up on a scan. The light of the scanner is flat from the front and there is no light from the side that highlights the raised parts and lowered parts in the embossed seal. You claim that this is not so, that the scan would show it. Well, back up your claim with some evidence. Show a PDF scan of a Hawaii long form birth certificate that shows the raised seal.

Recently the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona asked Hawaii to confirm that Obama was born there and to confirm other facts on his published birth certificate. Hawaii did, and the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona accepted it as evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, and ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona in November.

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<quoted text>you try carrying a concealed weapon in a state that does not reciprocate and see who's jurisdiction wins.
Is it your contention that reciprocity is an ESSENTIAL element of jurisdiction?
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Whoop-dee-do!
That has nothing to do with the fantasy that ordinary aliens are not under the jurisdiction of the US while in this country.
You could just have well said "the rain in Spain falls mainly in the plain."
Grow up!
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They are not subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution. To be so, they would have all the rights an privileges as a citizen of the US.

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Terri Tanna wrote:
"Do you agree that, if a minor (under 18-years of age) is born and raised in the United States of America, she comes under the jurisdiction of the Constitution and can, therefore, vote or be drafted while she is still a minor child? You do agree, don't you?"
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Only if her father was a citizen of the US.
The really stupid and uneducated birfoon argues that a six-year old child can vote and be drafted into the United States army "IF her father was[is] a citizen of the US."
REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM.
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Have you found a copy of Obama's long form birth certificate with a raised embossed State seal issued by Hawaii DOH???
You won't, because there isn't one.
Where is the proof that a mistake happened in regards to Obama's fraudulent SSN?
Your delusional fantasy is not proof.
I just answered your comments about the raised seal.

About the proof that there is a mistake. Well, time to think a little. It's up to you to prove that it wasn't a mistake. Since there are millions upon millions of mistakes in the files, and since no one on Congress has ever claimed that Obama "stole the number," there is obviously a good chance that it was a mistake. In any case, there is NO proof that it was stolen and not a mistake, and without such proof there can be no criminal charge.

The following is the LIKELY explanation:

The Connecticut SS number was caused by a data entry error. SS numbers were generated by the zip code of the applicant’s address. Obama’s address in Hawaii was in zip code 96814, and the zip code for Danbury, CT. is 06814.

Millions of people have multiple social security numbers caused mainly by data entry errors:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Soci...

http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/2...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-200137...

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Funny thing about that Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. It was passed by the House with a vote of 416-0, and also by the Senate with only two senators voting NO....and they were both Demoracts. But you go on believing that it was the Dems who lied....semms like ALL the repubs voted for the VietNam War.
Oh, so a unanimous vote makes something not a lie. There was no doubt about the attack on Pearl Harbor and at the time no one question the Gulf of Tonkin incident but that does not make it so either.
What is funny is that you seem to hate any war started by a Republican, but love any war done by a Democrat. Case in point, G. H.W. Bush had a majority approval of Congress to war against Saddamn Hussein but many of you claim he lied. Ergo the war was illegal. And then when G.W. Bush resumed the war you claimed he was illegal even though Congress had approved the war.
How long did the Barbary Pirate War last and were did the battles take us?

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Dare you to tell the Class the name of any scholar with whom you have studied international law. Ha Ha Ha Ha
He studied at Tacky's play law sand box university.
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treaties are international law.
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Illegal is illegal. Deport their azzes as soon as they're discovered. Patrol that damn fence with some military aircraft and live weapons. Strafe as necessary to stop the problem. No added cost to the US taxpayer as these planes are in the air anyway. Bet that would get their attention in short order and if not, then they would be the ones getting shorter! Those who help the illegals should be banned for life from entering the US again. If caught, life in prison. Life is tough. Life is tougher when you break laws.
It is a full-blown invasion!
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Oh, so a unanimous vote makes something not a lie. There was no doubt about the attack on Pearl Harbor and at the time no one question the Gulf of Tonkin incident but that does not make it so either.
What is funny is that you seem to hate any war started by a Republican, but love any war done by a Democrat. Case in point, G. H.W. Bush had a majority approval of Congress to war against Saddamn Hussein but many of you claim he lied. Ergo the war was illegal. And then when G.W. Bush resumed the war you claimed he was illegal even though Congress had approved the war.
How long did the Barbary Pirate War last and were did the battles take us?
1) the point is that VietNam was supported by the repubs as well as the dems.

2) Well, there isn't much difference between a lie from LBJ and the support of Congress to start the VietNam war and a lie from Bush and the support of Congress to start a war with Iraq now is there?

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Terri Tanna wrote:
President Starky wrote:
"Then again, maybe the U.S. taxpayer bought it like we have everything else rouge and Frank owns."
Just like you Tootsie, I used U.S. dollars. But for some reason you think drug dealers "earned" their money while people like me earned our money with service to our country.
You ask me why I have contempt for Obama but you have contempt for people like me and I never stole anything.
If you can read and write, thank a teacher.
If you can read and write in English, thank a Vet.!

But maybe you are upset that we Army dudes ruffed up your daddy during the Democrat Convention riots in Chicago in 1968?!?
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The court is wrong. His allegiance is the same as his father's. Thus, he owes allegiance only to his father's homeland. He should never be considered a U.S. citizen. TaTa you Buttflappers!
US law holds that a person has only one allegiance, and that is the the country where he is born. Consider a dual US/German citizen and say that he acts against the USA during WWII. If he were born in the USA, he can be tried for treason. If he is the son of US citizens but was born in Germany, he cannot be tried for treason. We, like the British before us, consider that allegiance cannot be divided DESPITE dual citizenship, and that the sole criterion of allegiance that WE use is the place of birth.

In a speech before the House of Representatives in May of 1789, James Madison said:

"It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."
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Visiting aliens are under the protection of the US while here, and reciprocally owe temporary allegiance to the US. According to OUR law, they cannot vote, and according to OUR law they are not eligible for the draft.
And if they violate OUR law, they are subject to the consequences.
Grow up!
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Bullshit, does that mean a child born here of a visiting alien is a temporary citizen. I can live with that, we just roundup their asses and send them home, where their citizenship is permanent.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>All you can do is obfucate, you haven't an idea.
Thank you for admitting you do not have an answer.

Maybe after a beer run you can come up with another non sequitur.
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There he goes again, with the treaty red herring.
I'm sorry, but if an alien were to rob a bank in Wichita, the right of the US to prosecute in federal court, and imprison the miscreant, would not depend upon any treaty.
If a foreign country's law stated that their citizens must obey US law while in the US, it would have no relevance to prosecution in the US. In addition to being liable to prosecution in the US, such foreign citizens would be liable to prosecution within their own country as well. Foreign law does not give the US permission to exercise its authority within its dominions.
Grow up!

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If you can read and write in English, thank a Vet.!
But maybe you are upset that we Army dudes ruffed up your daddy during the Democrat Convention riots in Chicago in 1968?!?
What a crock!
This country has never been in danger of foreign invasion in that past 195 years.
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You performed no service; you simply took money from the U.S. taxpayers without accomplishing a damn thing.
BTW, my Dad was in Viet Nam as a Marine in 1968.
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Terri Tanna wrote:
"What is the best treatise on jurisdiction (of all types -- in the broadest use of that term) that you can recommend to those in the Class who wish to become as learned as you?"
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"NOW YOU PROVE YOURSELF TO BE A COMPLETE AND UTTER UNEDUCATED SIMPLETON.
"Please provide citations to at least three jurisdictional provisions in the Bible. Thank you.
"BTW, to which edition of the Bible are you referring? Please provide the date of the translation, the publisher, and page citations."
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Thus, the uneducated simpleton proves his ignorance. The Mosaic law has nothing (ZERO, NADA) to do with jurisdiction.
YES -- I challenge you to cite "all ten" "you shall nots."
DARE YOU to post TEN "you shall nots."
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While you are citing the Bible (unidentified edition because you know absolutely nothing about sacred scripture), please tell the Class which of the Ten determines jurisdiction over a crash of a commercial airplane in Tennessee that took off from Laguardia with L.A. as the destination when the ticket was purchased by an Israeli national at ticket counter in New Jersey.
In identifying which of the Ten determines jurisdiction, you may use either Arabic or Roman numerals. Thank you.
hahaha!! I pissed you-off! Just pickup your toys and go home!
You might want to check and see if you are following the laws of God.
The remainder of you post is irrelevant.

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