BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#116414 Oct 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
That is correct. A lie is a lie. Now, what lie did Bush (which Bush) teell? Remember, to lie you must know what you are saying is untrue.
Like the attack on our embassy at Benghazi. The Dept. of State had live video from our embassy yep from the get go Obama's administration claimed it was a protest gone bad and not only is there no evidence of that, but there was no protest.
So Obama LIED about the protest at our Embassy at Benghazi!
Of course Obama lied. He's a dem right? So he must be a liar.

Where is the video that you claim? Let's just start there.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116416 Oct 11, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
I asked for PROOF!
I asked for PROOF that a state-issued birth document has any bearing on presidential eligibility. FOR FOUR YEARS YOU HAVE SHOWN YOU ARE AN INTELLECTUAL COWARD AND A BULLY BY FAILING TO CITE ANY CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION, ANY COURT CASE, ANY STATUTE, ANY LEGAL OR POLITICAL TRADITION THAT REQUIRES A STATE-ISSUED BIRTH DOCUMENT. Where is Abraham Lincoln's state-issued birth document? Where is Grover Cleveland's? Where is Millard Fillmore's?
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#116417 Oct 11, 2012
America Got Stupid wrote:
<quoted text>
Prove what you say!
Prove what YOU say. You say that an embossed seal comes out on a PDF scan. Well, show a scan of a Hawaii long form birth certificate put into PDF with the raised seal visible. Well, prove it.

Your claim is that although this certificate exists and although the officials in Hawaii stated that they sent both the short form and the long form version of it to him, and although they have repeatedly confirmed the facts on it, and despite a reporter having said that she felt the seal on it--that both the officials in Hawaii and the reporter who said that she felt the raised seal are lying simply because the embossed seal does not show up on a PDF scan.

Well, prove it. Prove that a Hawaii raised seal on a long form BC scanned and put into PDF shows up.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#116418 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>you try carrying a concealed weapon in a state that does not reciprocate and see who's jurisdiction wins.
Remainder of your post is irrelevant.
Huh?

In either case, the state where you carry has jurisdiction.

RU daft?
Terri Tanna wrote:
"Is a California resident subject to the jurisdiction of Massachusetts when visiting the Bay State?
"Is a California corporation subject to the jurisdiction of Massachusetts when doing business there?"
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<quoted text>
How embarrassingly lame is your scholarship.
Concealed carry has absolutely nothing to do with jurisdiction. Please answer the two very straight-forward questions posed that any first month law student could answer with citation to specific cases. HOW PATHETIC THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT SUBJECT THAT YOUR BROUGHT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Please name the most famous cases in our great 800-year tradition of Anglo-American jurisprudence that have established the parameters of jurisdiction. Thank you.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#116419 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law (Civil Rights Act of 1866) a citizen of the United States. Mr. Howard
Damn, I just can't see English common law in the above. I wonder where Gray got that idea?
Oh, Mr. Howard offered the amendment, it was ratified in its entirety and made law.
So, Howard, one guy (important, but not the sole expert in Congress) said it. One guy.

The US Supreme Court did not believe that his view represented the majority of the members of Congress, much less the thousands who voted for the 14th Amendment in the state legislatures.

They believe that the meaning comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, and their decision is FINAL (unless overturned by another SC decision or by a Constitutional Amendment, neither of which is even remotely likely.)

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116420 Oct 11, 2012
"Socialism is often associated with Atheistic tendencies, and as an Atheist-Socialist it’s ironic I have to remind people that many Socialist grassroots groups, especially originating in France, were Christian Socialists. Determined and sure that the general philosophy of Marx was the practice of the divine philosophy laid down by Jesus so many centuries ago. One only has to look in the Bible itself to reinforce such ideas:
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Acts 2:42 – 45: 42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things in common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Acts 4:32-37: 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. 36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas,(which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
Acts 5:1-10, is perhaps the most blatant and relevant evidence that the Apostles and early Christians did not view Communism as something optional:
1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. 9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
Luke 1:49-53: 49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. 51 He hath showed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. 52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. 53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
ETC.

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116421 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
Damn, I just can't see English common law in the above. I wonder where Gray got that idea?
Because he understood -- as does anyone who has ACTUALLY studied The Law (unlike the impeached "justice")-- that legislative colloquy (the only irrelevant quote the obsessive legal ignoramus knows) means nothing under the 800-years of Anglo-American jurisprudence about which the legal ignoramus knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
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How come he cannot name a single legal scholar or international law scholar with whom he has studied or ANY LEGAL TREATISE he has ever studied? All he offers is his own uneducated and uninformed bias -- nothing related to the Rule of Law and legal method that every one of our revered Founders and Framers followed in drafting our sacred United States Constitution.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#116422 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>They are not subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution. To be so, they would have all the rights an privileges as a citizen of the US.
Ipse dixit fallacy.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Sorry, but the US decides what rights and privileges aliens have per US law, according to its sovereign authority.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Whoop-dee-do!
That has nothing to do with the fantasy that ordinary aliens are not under the jurisdiction of the US while in this country.
You could just have well said "the rain in Spain falls mainly in the plain."
Grow up!

“SAVING BIRTHERS FROM IGNORANCE”

Since: Jul 09

The Farm North of Hinsdale

#116423 Oct 11, 2012
SO SADLY, Paul Ryan, our vice presidential candidate, botched the debate by his embarrassing ignorance in two key areas:
1- foreign policy
2- macroeconomics and U.S. economic policy.
How could someone such as Ryan lose so ignominiously to Mr. Gaffe. More scary -- Ryan knows infinitely more about macroeconomics than does Willard, who has never studied it seriously.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#116424 Oct 11, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
Terri Tanna wrote:
"Do you agree that, if a minor (under 18-years of age) is born and raised in the United States of America, she comes under the jurisdiction of the Constitution and can, therefore, vote or be drafted while she is still a minor child? You do agree, don't you?"
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Justice Dale wrote:
Only if her father was a citizen of the US.
Terri Tanna wrote:
The really stupid and uneducated birfoon argues that a six-year old child can vote and be drafted into the United States army "IF her father was[is] a citizen of the US."
REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM.
Hee hee.

Dale didn't see it until it hit him in the nose.(He still doesn't see it, even though the egg is stuck to his face and the crow is on his plate.)

Touché Terry.

That was entertaining.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#116426 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Bullshit, does that mean a child born here of a visiting alien is a temporary citizen. I can live with that, we just roundup their asses and send them home, where their citizenship is permanent.
There is no such thing as a temporary citizen.

Sorry, BirfoonBoy, the child is born subject to the jurisdiction thereof, without regard to the parent's political condition (with the exception of foreign ambassadors, etc.) The child's citizenship does not depend upon the parent's condition. Never has, and unless there is an amendment, never will.

Sorry, that's the LAW. If you want to change it, get an amendment.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Visiting aliens are under the protection of the US while here, and reciprocally owe temporary allegiance to the US. According to OUR law, they cannot vote, and according to OUR law they are not eligible for the draft.
And if they violate OUR law, they are subject to the consequences.
Grow up!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116427 Oct 11, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
SO SADLY, Paul Ryan, our vice presidential candidate, botched the debate by his embarrassing ignorance in two key areas:
1- foreign policy
2- macroeconomics and U.S. economic policy.
How could someone such as Ryan lose so ignominiously to Mr. Gaffe. More scary -- Ryan knows infinitely more about macroeconomics than does Willard, who has never studied it seriously.
Hmm, I thought Biden made a true ass of himself all debate long. Constantly showing off his dentures while Ryan was speaking then going on to interrupt him. Biden came off just as he reall is, a dumbazz.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#116428 Oct 11, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, I have not worn any ring since 1975 when I developed Psoriatic arthritis. Nor have I worn an wrist watch, band, bracelet, etc.
<quoted text>
Knew I could count on you ..to laugh at a handicapped person.
Sooo you think it is funny that I have psoriatic arthritis?
Just ask Phil Michelson how fun it is. And the only thing more incompetent than an Army doctor is a VA doctor.
You wrote : "Knew I could count on you ..to laugh at a handicapped person." Nerve, the nerve! First of all, that is a minor handicap compared to the millions of severely mentally-handicapped persons when you use the "tard" (Rogue, tm reg'D) lib and idiot occu. You call people you don't like "tards", and it's not meant as a compliment. For shame.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116429 Oct 11, 2012
*really

“Stuffs gettin better ”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#116430 Oct 11, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>(emphasis added)
Again, who says he purchased it?
The fact is you don't know how he acquired the ring.
<quoted text>
Who says he didn't purchase it?
Do you know for a fact that he did not?
Maybe he stole it.

"Stuff's gettin better"
2012
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#116431 Oct 11, 2012
President Starky wrote:
<quoted text>
It would be an incredible coincidence that a man who lived and went to a muslim school in a muslim country had a muslim father would accidentally purchase a ring with the muslim saying that there is no god but allah.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Who says he purchased it?
And I was not aware Obama attended a Moslem school. Where? In Indonesia? His book said he went to a private catholic shcool whilst there.

“Stuffs gettin better ”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#116432 Oct 11, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
President Starky wrote:
"Then again, maybe the U.S. taxpayer bought it like we have everything else rouge and Frank owns."
"Terri Tanna" Wrote:
I have a degree in easy bake oven.
Gobble,Gobble.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#116433 Oct 11, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
SO SADLY, Paul Ryan, our vice presidential candidate, botched the debate by his embarrassing ignorance in two key areas:
1- foreign policy
2- macroeconomics and U.S. economic policy.
How could someone such as Ryan lose so ignominiously to Mr. Gaffe. More scary -- Ryan knows infinitely more about macroeconomics than does Willard, who has never studied it seriously.
I agree.

I heard he was such a wonk, and, so many people thought that would be an advantage. He couldn't get his message across. Does he know what his message is?

Biden ate his lunch.

“Stuffs gettin better ”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#116434 Oct 11, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Gettinghot and bothered, eh? Couldn't finish it ,eh? Switched to your one and only lover, hellooooo, hand.
I understand your bewilderment and why you cannot think of women as sexy.
Perhaps they have songs in Cantnada about little boys to help you out.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#116435 Oct 11, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>It is a full-blown invasion!
You're correct, sadly.

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