BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 240347 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 8, 2009, titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Dale

Wichita, KS

#101676 Aug 21, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
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The UNITED STATES Supreme Court has already answered your question.
Irrelevant, no one knows where Mr. Obama was born, since his BC is a fraud.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#101678 Aug 21, 2012
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>These are quotes from your link. They do not say that Obama did not register by the name Barry Soetoro or as a foreign student. They simply state that he had attended some classes and that they could not provide more information. "Neither Obama’s image nor name appear in any Occidental yearbooks or weekly student newspaper for the years he attended."
"Obama did not play basketball on any official team at Occidental, as has been reported."
Please try to keep up Frank.

“BARACK OBAMA ATTENDED OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE” from fall 1979 through spring 1981 (Not Barry Soetoro)

(THE PICTURE) featured on this page is the only one (WE) have of the senator; it (was sent in with (HIS) Occidental (APPLICATION)

Sorry Frank, the statement clearly says Barack Obama attended Occidental just as sure as the HDoH statements say he was born in Honolulu.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#101679 Aug 21, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
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In which Article of our sacred Constitution do the words "not subject to any foreign powers" appear? Thank you.
==
BTW, you are fighting a non-existent battle since the United States Supreme Court has already acted on the Obama challenge.
Kerchner v. Obama, 669 F. Supp. 2d 477 (D.N.J. 2009) aff'd, 612 F.3d 204 (3d Cir. 2010), cert. denied, 131 S. Ct. 663 (2010), upholding the President’s eligibility as a natural-born American citizen. RES JUDICATA.
In the 14th amend.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#101680 Aug 21, 2012
American Lady wrote:
The Legacy of the
American Trojan Horse
Table of Contents
The latest iteration of socialism, radicalism, and Marxism in the United States of America
Progressives corrupted the financial system by socializing lower-income mortgages
2006 Elections: Progressive-controlled Democratic Party took majority control of the 110th Congress
Congress and Federal Reserve's 'Too Big To Fail' policies corrupted our free market system
2008 Elections: Obama won the White House and Progressives took full control of the 111th Congress
President Obama claimed he was "committed to restoring fiscal responsibility" (2009)
Obama said he would focus "like a laser beam" on job creation (after passage of Obamacare)
President Obama: "all taxes for those making less than $250,000 would not go up one dime"
Democrats continued and expanded upon the same policies "inherited" from George W. Bush
On issue after issue, Democrats ignored public sentiment in favor of pushing a Socialist agenda
Obama claimed: "My policies got us out of this mess" and "the worst is behind us…" (2010)
Obama & Democrats are expanding government entitlement programs to redistribute the wealth
Obamacare forced upon U.S. to achieve socialist 'crown jewel' of expanded government powers
Frank-Dodd Financial Reform expanded union and government control over the economy
Secular leftists have learned to use religion as a propaganda tool to push for "social justice"
Nancy Pelosi promised to lead "the most honest, most open, most ethical Congress in history"
Obama promised a 'new era of government' and a "departure from the politics of the past"
Obama dubbed "Leaker-in-chief" for repeatedly benefiting politically from national security leaks
Obama swore an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States
President Obama encroached on the religious freedoms protected by the First Amendment
Obama administration attempted to weaken the Second Amendment through illegal deception
Obama administration does not respect the guarantee of equal protection under the law
Obama had appointed more bundlers in just over two years than George W. Bush did in 8 years
Critics labeled Obama as the "campaigner-in-chief " instead of focusing on fixing the economy
Critics labeled Obama as the "vacationer-in-chief " instead of focusing on fixing the economy
World public opinion of the United States has dropped precipitously under President Obama
A 'New Era of Transparency' was promised by the Democrats and the Obama administration
Obama: "I can't spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead" (2011)
Never letting a serious crisis go to waste: President Obama birdied while the Gulf was dirtied
Obama administration's anti-fossil fuel policies are contributing to skyrocketing energy prices
Candidate Barack H. Obama: "Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself"
Obama picked Elizabeth Warren to head his new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
Obama engages in crony capitalism and Pay-to-Play politics (commonly known as "The Chicago Way")
MORE
You know, BirfoonLady, most children by the 6th grade are taught how to summarize, based on a source, and express opinions in their own words.

Did you pass 6th grade?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#101681 Aug 21, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh?
<quoted text>
Answer, No (in regard to citizenship). Asked and answered.
I'm not saying you said they were. Your question was asked and answered.
The courts have repudiated the notion that US citizenship is governed by international law for a person born of ordinary aliens in the United States.
Capisce?
BTW, persons born of foreign parents in the US are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Settled law. C.f., US v. Wong Kim Ark.
<quoted text>
The 14th states. All persons born in the US and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, are citizens. This is nothing but the Civil Rights Act of 1866, "all persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power, are citizens. The Civil Rights Act of 1866, is the 14th Amend.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#101682 Aug 21, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
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Oh good. Another Birfoon tossing around words he obviously doesn't comprehend. Words like "proven" and "fraud" are beyond the average Birfoon.
Here's one you should probably learn, I'm sure you'll hear it a lot..... "pathetic"
Your post is irrelevant, stick to something you have a knowledge of.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#101683 Aug 21, 2012
Terri Tanna wrote:
<quoted text>
In which Article of our sacred Constitution do the words "not subject to any foreign powers" appear? Thank you.
==
BTW, you are fighting a non-existent battle since the United States Supreme Court has already acted on the Obama challenge.
Kerchner v. Obama, 669 F. Supp. 2d 477 (D.N.J. 2009) aff'd, 612 F.3d 204 (3d Cir. 2010), cert. denied, 131 S. Ct. 663 (2010), upholding the President’s eligibility as a natural-born American citizen. RES JUDICATA.
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>In the 14th amend.
Sorry, Terri doesn't have your decoder ring, Dale.

BTW, a child born of ordinary aliens, such as Ark, was not born subject to a foreign power. Subject of a foreigh power and subject to a foreign power are entirely different matters.

“He is not within any of the classes of persons excepted from citizenship, and the jurisdiction of the United States over him at the time of his birth was exclusive of that of any other country.” In re Look Tin Sing, 21 Fed. Rep. 905, 909 (C.C. Cal. 1884).

Grow up!
Sloop21

Shreveport, LA

#101684 Aug 21, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
You know, BirfoonLady, most children by the 6th grade are taught how to summarize, based on a source, and express opinions in their own words.
Did you pass 6th grade?
I'm a peaceful sort of man by nature. But you sir, are making my blood boil. I see some posters offering real information only to be replied to as if they were 2 year olds. Not a very becoming trait, if I might say. What is the source of your anger that is so readily obvious in your posts? I don't understand it.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#101685 Aug 21, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, you are not merely speculating but in denial. POB has been CERTIFIED by the State of Hawaii. Get over it.
<quoted text>
Sure it has! Mr. wojar, would you like some beach front property in Arizona. I have some, just for you.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#101686 Aug 21, 2012
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The 14th states. All persons born in the US and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, are citizens. This is nothing but the Civil Rights Act of 1866, "all persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power, are citizens. The Civil Rights Act of 1866, is the 14th Amend.
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, but the 14th Amendment means exactly what it says.
BTW, subject to a foreign power is not the same as a subject of a foreign power.

Please learn English.

E.g., the Russian Ambassador is subject **TO** a foreign power. An ordinary visitor from a foreign country is a subject **OF** a foreign power, who is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States while here.

That's the law. Birfoon fantasies, notwithstanding.

Grow up.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh?
<quoted text>
Answer, No (in regard to citizenship). Asked and answered.
I'm not saying you said they were. Your question was asked and answered.
The courts have repudiated the notion that US citizenship is governed by international law for a person born of ordinary aliens in the United States.
Capisce?
BTW, persons born of foreign parents in the US are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Settled law. C.f., US v. Wong Kim Ark.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#101687 Aug 21, 2012
tnugent wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Simply those born in the USA.
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”— Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration....St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.(1803)
(Notice that the above refers simply to the place of birth, not to the parents. Natural Born Citizens were simply those who were born within a state.)
And this from 1829:
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)
Your English Common Law died in 1866 with the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was carried over into the 14th amendment, check it out.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#101688 Aug 21, 2012
who="Terri Tanna"]#100,811
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
==
HILLSDALE COLLEGE
Overview
The Economics & Business Administration Department offers a distinctly "Hillsdale" approach to Economics and Business Administration, utilizing the methodology and context of a liberal arts college to present the nature, scope, and function of economic exchange and business decision-making within a democratic, free-market society.

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You have trained a lot of scientists and technology people in USA, who have gone back to their countries, despite so many stay inside US,like people from India, Middle East and those across the world.

Just look at your Mars programs and NASA, there consist of many foreign-born as naturalized US citizens.

And outside USA, those who were trained in US, can pirate your technology and other areas as Romney said, besides making their own.

US may have best universities, but the world also has a lot of talents.

Still, USA can be top-notch at this point of time as far as what was built.

But in terms of real competition around the world, the long road is ahead, as real tests and examinations of post-doctoral people could give rise that some of these people are better than uSa in the scores.

Russia trains its own people basically and its technology is gearing up these days.

India and Japan,South Korea could easily have space and Mars programs if they have the devotion and money to do them, while China had already had them.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#101689 Aug 21, 2012
tnugent wrote:
<quoted text>
No it hasn't. Only birther "experts"---who have not shown that they are really experts, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial---have CLAIMED that there is anything wrong with Obama's birth certificate. But the CONSERVATIVE secretary of state of Arizona, who has just accepted Hawaii's confirmation that Obama was born in Hawaii, and Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review and no member of Congress----since not one single member of Congress has called for an investigation--believes the birther "experts."
When you and the ones you mentioned can understand, please post back.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#101690 Aug 21, 2012
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Your post is irrelevant, stick to something you have a knowledge of.
Sayeth the Birfoon that can't comprehend English yet pretends to have knowledge of the Constitution
Dale

Wichita, KS

#101692 Aug 21, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Sorry, Terri doesn't have your decoder ring, Dale.
BTW, a child born of ordinary aliens, such as Ark, was not born subject to a foreign power. Subject of a foreigh power and subject to a foreign power are entirely different matters.
“He is not within any of the classes of persons excepted from citizenship, and the jurisdiction of the United States over him at the time of his birth was exclusive of that of any other country.” In re Look Tin Sing, 21 Fed. Rep. 905, 909 (C.C. Cal. 1884).
Grow up!
Are you intelligent enough to answer for, Terri. From what I have seen tonight, you better let her do the posting.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#101693 Aug 21, 2012
Sloop21 wrote:
I'm taken aback by the rude, nasty behavior of a few of these posters. What is the point? Trying to ruin the thread or what?
They are "running" scared Sloop!
I've put more than enuf on here to show them, Obama is GOING DOWN!
American Lady

Danville, KY

#101694 Aug 21, 2012
Hi Dale!
Welcome Aboard :)
Glad to SEE you ;-)
Dale

Wichita, KS

#101695 Aug 21, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, but the 14th Amendment means exactly what it says.
BTW, subject to a foreign power is not the same as a subject of a foreign power.
Please learn English.
E.g., the Russian Ambassador is subject **TO** a foreign power. An ordinary visitor from a foreign country is a subject **OF** a foreign power, who is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States while here.
That's the law. Birfoon fantasies, notwithstanding.
Grow up.
<quoted text>
If subjects of foreign countries were under our jurisdiction, we wouldn't need to make treaties with them, would we.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#101696 Aug 21, 2012
Obama Fake and Fraudulent wrote:
<quoted text>
You FAILED to answer my question, SKANK!
Were Obama's policies the cause of the US losing our AAA credit rating?
A simple YES or NO will suffice.
Why don’t ask them GB? Don’t remember them mentioning Obama.

S&P has gone out of its way to point to the political brinkmanship over the debt ceiling as a key reason for the downgrade.

That puts the blame squarely on lawmakers -- and the political culture they cultivate and participate in.

"The first thing [lawmakers] could have done is to have raised the debt ceiling in a timely manner so that much of this debate had been avoided to begin with, as it had done 60 or 70 times since 1960 without that much debate," Chambers said.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/06/news/economy/...
Dale

Wichita, KS

#101697 Aug 21, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Sayeth the Birfoon that can't comprehend English yet pretends to have knowledge of the Constitution
Sayeth the liberal, that should "Learn to Read".

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