2nd bicyclist killed in Logan Square

2nd bicyclist killed in Logan Square

There are 574 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from May 1, 2008, titled 2nd bicyclist killed in Logan Square. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

A female bicyclist was killed by a car Wednesday afternoon in Chicago's Logan Square neighborhood, the second bicycle rider killed in the area in a little more than a week, police said.

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rose

United States

#100 May 1, 2008
And while I'm at it - CPD needs to start monitoring traffic again in Chicago.
Does anyone know how to properly stop at a 4 way stop sign intersection anymore?
Might and aggression are the only things that count there. The bigger and meaner (or crazier) just pause and go and proceed - to hell with anyone else.
Winterbiker

Springfield, IL

#104 May 1, 2008
Penny wrote:
"... cyclists, like drivers, need to take a test and prove they know and understand the Rules of the Road...."
Drivers are required to be licensed, because these high-speed, high weight vehicles are capable of inflicting so much damage to those around them.
Bicycles simply aren't that dangerous to those not on them. NY City, for example, reported 7 pedestrians killed by bikes -- OVER 5 YEARS (a period during which 50 pedestrians were kiled on sidewalks by bikes. Here in Chicago, no cyclist has killed a pedestrian in at least the last several years. That puts our lethality to others at about the same level as a pedestrian's.
Chicago motor vehicles, on the other hand, have killed at least a pedestrian and a cyclist in the last 24 hours, and have recently taken out a CTA station.
From this thread, it's pretty apparent that a lot of very angry drivers are totally unaware that the rules of the road dictate that bikes belong on the road (not the sidewalk), and have equal access by law. They are also unaware that helmets (while a smart idea)cannot, by law, be required, and in no way prevent collisions. More disturbingly many of today's posters have implied that bikes who get in their way, or who fail to follow the rules (as defined by the motorist)somehow "deserve" to be hit.
Thinking of these folks, routinely operating 2000 lb+ hunks of machinery at over 25 mph (the speed over which most bike or pedestrian crashes are fatal) seems a lot scarier than a bike messenger, even one armed with a really big middle finger.
Dreamer

Springfield, IL

#105 May 1, 2008
jake wrote:
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Well, it doesn't solve the problem that caused cyclists to die in these two cases, but it does solve a less deadly but far more common problem for bikers - getting doored by drivers who open the door of their parked cars without checking for bikes. Injuries from getting doored are rarely fatal, so they don't show up in the newspaper much, but it's a far more common threat to cyclists.
You're right that intersections are a big problem. One solution is to devote a few streets to bikes alone and remove the stop signs on those streets but keep stop signs on the perpendicular streets used by cars (and add big warning signs about oncoming bikes). Over/underpasses could be set up at the major intersections.
Okay, now you're dreaming. Why not grade separate every intersection while we're at it? We'll start the cost collection with you...
BWC

Bartlett, IL

#106 May 1, 2008
Penny-
It's the cars that have to be insured, not the drivers. So how would you determine how much cyclists have to pay? What about the poor and homeless, for whom bikes can be the only affordable means of transport? How would you affix these license plates so that they couldn't be removed easily if stolen? How would you find a means of attaching them so that they would fit all bikes and be visible, without getting in the way of the rider?
Wrong on Law

Springfield, IL

#107 May 1, 2008
JTO wrote:
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...Unless you never drive over the speed limit, always stop for yellow lights, and give every bicycle 3'+ of clearance on the public roadway, you are also guilty of breaking several laws...
Here we go again. Where did this "stop on yellow" fantasy come from? Red means stop. Yellow means proceed with caution, be prepared to stop.
John J Coughlin

Franklin Park, IL

#109 May 1, 2008
"In that accident, police said the light at the intersection may have turned yellow, but the driver had the right of way. She was cited with failing to reduce speed to avoid an accident."

In other words the bicyclist ran the red light.

...and the car driver gets the ticket!? Only in Richie Daley's Chicago!!
Jon

Batavia, IL

#110 May 1, 2008
E_Powers wrote:
This death is a pure tragedy. Mandy was my neighbor and friend. She was a beam of light, positive inspiration, exceptionally creative and a friendly smile. This is a true loss that we should all keep in mind while driving around bicyclists and pedestrians.
I am sorry for the loss of your friend. She sounds as if she had more sense and character and light in her big toe than any cretin who would post venom about someone they do not know on an anonymous board has in their entire rotting soul.
Jack

Chicago, IL

#111 May 1, 2008
Riding a bike on Chicago streets is like walking through the projects at 3 a.m. with a fat wallet sticking out of your back pocket -- legal but stupid.

Cars are already looking out for other cars, pedestrians, animals, etc. To expect them to also spot cyclists -- who are often riding on the wrong side of the street -- and to predict which laws they might break is not realistic. I would exonerate any driver who is not drunk and does not run a red light. You can legally enter an intersection on a yellow, so bicyclists should not assume that a car will not. If you jam on the brakes, you can get rear-ended by the car behind you who assumed that you would go through the yellow.
Jose Rompeculo

United States

#116 May 1, 2008
Perhaps Mayor Daley should go for a bike ride in his "bicycle friendly" city; to wit: Logan Square.

You know, to see how friendly the city is toward bike riders.
Bob

Chicago, IL

#117 May 1, 2008
The solution is EDUCATION and ATTITUDE.

Bike riders and car drivers both need to understand the rules of the road and become skilled at driving safely.

COURTESY seems to be a lost art these days. Just because you have the right-of-way doesn't mean you have to exert it if it might cause death or injury.

Bike riders, please become more VISIBLE! Use headlights and blinking taillights! Use REFLECTIVE CLOTHING (vests or jackets) day and night.

Years ago I took the Motorcycle Safety Foundation "Safe Rider Course." That experience made me a better and safer driver of all vehicles because it taught me to be a defensive driver.

We can all survive on the road safely if we learn to SHARE IT!
Suzanne

Dolton, IL

#121 May 1, 2008
I don't believe that it is impossible to ticket bicyclists. I'm sure a policeman can find a few minutes to issue a ticket and perhaps save a life. The city is partly to blame for these accidents because they don't enforce the traffic laws and people cycle/drive with impunity. Logan Square is one of the worst areas in the city for dangerous cyclists. I've seen them disobey traffic laws right in front of stopped police cars who do nothing.
shakespeare wrote:
I don't know the facts of this case so I wont comment on this particular bicyclist. I work in the 014th Dist where this accident. Bicyclist have to please stop or at least slow down at stop signs. By the way, you are not suppose to be running the red lights, there is a ticket for that. My watch commander has told us to ticket bicyclist if we see them but it's impossible with everything else that is going on in the streets. You would never be on the streets to respond to calls if you started ticketing bicyclist and cell phone users and I think that's why they keep disobeying the law. Bicyclist will have to be more aware. You will not win if you collide with a car.
Just the Facts

Springfield, IL

#122 May 1, 2008
odc wrote:
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Wait... the cyclist had to be in front of the car to get hit... and the light was yellow for the car... so how exactly was the light red for the cyclist?
Hit something, expect a ticket. It's really pretty simple (and it has nothing to do with Da Meya).
Maybe the "weatherman" didn't know the bike illegally turned left in front of the car from the opposite direction but instead thought it illegally entered the intersection thru a red light on the cross-street.
insider

United States

#124 May 1, 2008
Jose Rompeculo wrote:
Perhaps Mayor Daley should go for a bike ride in his "bicycle friendly" city; to wit: Logan Square.
You know, to see how friendly the city is toward bike riders.
He would come with his CPD bodyguard because he's a coward. So nothig would happen to him.
insider

United States

#125 May 1, 2008
Suzanne wrote:
I don't believe that it is impossible to ticket bicyclists. I'm sure a policeman can find a few minutes to issue a ticket and perhaps save a life. The city is partly to blame for these accidents because they don't enforce the traffic laws and people cycle/drive with impunity. Logan Square is one of the worst areas in the city for dangerous cyclists. I've seen them disobey traffic laws right in front of stopped police cars who do nothing.
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The CPD is under a semi-federal consent degree with this new Supt. Weis. You stop anyone out here now and they complain you are in trouble. I will answer my calls and thats what the city wants. No contact=no complaints=no big payouts. Citizens deserves the policing it gets. Keep electing Daley.
Winterbiker

Springfield, IL

#126 May 1, 2008
Suzanne wrote:
I don't believe that it is impossible to ticket bicyclists... <quoted text>
Actually, Suzanne, the police ARE ticketing bicyclists. Favorite offense, since last fall's ordinance, has been for riding on the sidewalk. FYI the fine for this is higher than it is for DRIVING on the sidewalk.
Darkwater

United States

#128 May 1, 2008
Suzanne wrote:
I don't believe that it is impossible to ticket bicyclists.
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They are subject to the same laws as those that drive. They are subject to getting tickets. The cops need to start doing so!
Penny

Chicago, IL

#129 May 1, 2008
Winterbiker, you wrote "Bicycles simply aren't that dangerous to those not on them."

However, that is patently untrue. Are bikes physically dangerous to cars? No. Can they do major damage to pedestrians? YES! If you're personally offering to pay for all the hospital costs, lost work, pain and suffering for my friend who was hospitalized by a cyclist breaking the traffic laws, great! I'll tell him a huge check is coming his way. He still limps and will for the rest of his life due to bone damage. But bikes aren't that dangerous? Nonsense. Insurance and licensing are the decent and sensible thing to do, for everyone on the street, period.

BWC - No, it's not perfect. Nothing is. I just think it should be fair and evenhanded. But I bet if I suggested that cars should no longer have identifying marks, that drivers shouldn't be licensed or regulated in any way whatsoever, and that we should all be able to disregard all of the traffic laws, everyone would say that's ridiculous. It simply doesn't make sense to have bikes on the street without some of the same basic safeguards that are in place for cars. If you're old enough to not ride on the sidewalks, you're old enough to do a little paperwork and be act responsibly.
Michael

Chicago, IL

#131 May 1, 2008
It may be worth noting that the intersection where this happened seems to be far more dangerous than most in Chicago for reasons I do not know. I have witnessed a few accidents and countless near-misses there.

I offer my most sincere condolences to the family and friends of the girl that fell victim to this horrible tragedy.
Julie

United States

#133 May 1, 2008
odc wrote:
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Wait... the cyclist had to be in front of the car to get hit... and the light was yellow for the car... so how exactly was the light red for the cyclist?
Hit something, expect a ticket. It's really pretty simple (and it has nothing to do with Da Meya).
The bike rider was on a perpendicular street that intersects the one the driver was on. Driver had the yellow, bicyclist had the red.
Julie

United States

#134 May 1, 2008
Winterbiker wrote:
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Actually, Suzanne, the police ARE ticketing bicyclists. Favorite offense, since last fall's ordinance, has been for riding on the sidewalk. FYI the fine for this is higher than it is for DRIVING on the sidewalk.
good - because how often does driving on the sidewalk ACTUALLY happen

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