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BTHS

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Some facts the GOPTea Don’t Want You To Know About Taxes and the Debt:

1. President Obama cut taxes for almost all working Americans
2. Ronald Reagan tripled the National Debt
3. GWBush doubled the National Debt
4. Reagan Raised the Debt Ceiling 17 Times and GWB raised it 7-times
5. The Bush tax cuts didn’t pay for themselves or spur “jobs creators” because they didn’t create jobs
6. Almost all working Americans pay taxes
7. Low Capital Gaines Taxes fuel income inequality
8.…But not investment
9. The Estate tax has virtually no impact on family farms and businesses
10. Income Inequality has reached an 80-year high…
11.…While the Federal Tax Burden has hit a 60 year low
12. McConnell, Boehner, Cantor and Ryan voted to raise the debt 19 times under GWBush
13. The $3 trillion dollar tab for unfunded wars remains unpaid
14. Tax cuts drive the next decade of debt
15. The Ryan budget would require raising the debt ceiling—repeatedly
16. Social Security does not add to the deficit
17. Grover Norquist is not an elected politician, he is a lobbyist, and the GOPTea should not be swearing allegiance to him over their oath of office. The congress has been taking an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States since 1789.
18. Nothing the GOPTea is suggesting is going to solve our debt problem. Please vote-out the GOPTea in 2014.
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BTHS wrote:
Some facts the GOPTea Don’t Want You To Know About Taxes and the Debt:
1. President Obama cut taxes for almost all working Americans
2. Ronald Reagan tripled the National Debt
3. GWBush doubled the National Debt
4. Reagan Raised the Debt Ceiling 17 Times and GWB raised it 7-times
5. The Bush tax cuts didn’t pay for themselves or spur “jobs creators” because they didn’t create jobs
6. Almost all working Americans pay taxes
7. Low Capital Gaines Taxes fuel income inequality
8.…But not investment
9. The Estate tax has virtually no impact on family farms and businesses
10. Income Inequality has reached an 80-year high…
11.…While the Federal Tax Burden has hit a 60 year low
12. McConnell, Boehner, Cantor and Ryan voted to raise the debt 19 times under GWBush
13. The $3 trillion dollar tab for unfunded wars remains unpaid
14. Tax cuts drive the next decade of debt
15. The Ryan budget would require raising the debt ceiling—repeatedly
16. Social Security does not add to the deficit
17. Grover Norquist is not an elected politician, he is a lobbyist, and the GOPTea should not be swearing allegiance to him over their oath of office. The congress has been taking an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States since 1789.
18. Nothing the GOPTea is suggesting is going to solve our debt problem. Please vote-out the GOPTea in 2014.
under Obama, the national debt had increased 6.5 trillion in less than 1 term! Food stamp use has increased to 48 million Americans. It was at 32 million at the start of his term. He kept the unemployment rate above 8% for 43 straight months, supposedly it went down to 7.8% in September, the somehow back to 7.9 for October! 70% of his so called jobs are low waged, part time and temporary. This ain't success!
john316

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Furthermore, the Obama administration wants to raise the debt limit ceiling indefinitely so he doesn't have to deal with it, politically. Why do you think that is?
Veritas

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1. President Obama cut taxes for almost all working Americans.

6. Almost all working Americans pay taxes.

His tax cut was a payroll tax cut. That doesn't mean you pay less or owe less in taxes. It means they cut the amount of witholding from your payroll. Then you get the surprise at tax time when you discover you didn't withold enough to cover your tax debt.

WORKING Americans pay taxes. Unfortunately we have fewer and fewer full time workers and the average full time salary is in decline. Add to that inflation and a rise in the cost of living and you begin to see that a couple with 2 kids working three or four part time jobs just isn't gonna cut it.
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ChaChaChanges wrote:
I'm thinking if John fell and cracked his head open, a hundred little Rush Limbaughs would run out. So Obama himself kept the unimployment rate at 8%? Gee, that means that all the jobs outsourced by guys like Romney, or all the businesses bought and diseceted by guys like Romney, or all of those investments in China's economy, by guys like Romney didn't cause any of that unemployment. Then John blames the increase food stamps on Obama. That probably has nothing to do with all of the hungry unemployed created by those billionaires that the conservatives idolise by their laying off of hardworking Americans to keep all of the money to themselves, again like Romney. Then they take those profits and send it to off shore accounts, like Romney. The conservatives lost for a reason. The middle class cannot afford their inept leadership. As far as Their hero Bush is concerned, it will be lucky if he isn't held responsible for war crimes in getting our soldiers killed in Iraq on a wrong hunch. Cheney too. Obama doesn't have to indefinitely raise the debt ceiling, all he has to do is let the conservatives show their colors in protecting the filthy rich.
The facts are on my side. The country can't afford the Obama agenda, as evident by his 6 1/2 trillion dollars in deficit spending. The middle class is suffering under Obama because they are the ones losing their jobs week after week! As far as war crimes, the same people who would put bush on trial are the same ones who would put Obama on trial for his drone use. You are just an ignorant whiner that is jealous because of other peoples success and because you havent had any in your miserable life!
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BTHS wrote:
Some facts the GOPTea Don’t Want You To Know About Taxes and the Debt:
1. President Obama cut taxes for almost all working Americans
2. Ronald Reagan tripled the National Debt
3. GWBush doubled the National Debt
4. Reagan Raised the Debt Ceiling 17 Times and GWB raised it 7-times
5. The Bush tax cuts didn’t pay for themselves or spur “jobs creators” because they didn’t create jobs
6. Almost all working Americans pay taxes
7. Low Capital Gaines Taxes fuel income inequality
8.…But not investment
9. The Estate tax has virtually no impact on family farms and businesses
10. Income Inequality has reached an 80-year high…
11.…While the Federal Tax Burden has hit a 60 year low
12. McConnell, Boehner, Cantor and Ryan voted to raise the debt 19 times under GWBush
13. The $3 trillion dollar tab for unfunded wars remains unpaid
14. Tax cuts drive the next decade of debt
15. The Ryan budget would require raising the debt ceiling—repeatedly
16. Social Security does not add to the deficit
17. Grover Norquist is not an elected politician, he is a lobbyist, and the GOPTea should not be swearing allegiance to him over their oath of office. The congress has been taking an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States since 1789.
18. Nothing the GOPTea is suggesting is going to solve our debt problem. Please vote-out the GOPTea in 2014.
Nuh uh.

You are.

It's not true uhhh...just....ummmmm....you shut up.

Reagan lowered all taxes 100 times, then stabbed Gorbachev in the heart with the beak of a Bald Eagle and used Gorb's russkie skull to to shatter the Berlin Wall with his bare hands.

FREEDOM AMERICA PATRIOT EAGLE FLAG 911 SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!

Romney 2013
john316

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Tear Party Patriot wrote:
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Nuh uh.
You are.
It's not true uhhh...just....ummmmm....you shut up.
Reagan lowered all taxes 100 times, then stabbed Gorbachev in the heart with the beak of a Bald Eagle and used Gorb's russkie skull to to shatter the Berlin Wall with his bare hands.
FREEDOM AMERICA PATRIOT EAGLE FLAG 911 SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!
Romney 2013
you are stupid and not even amusing! I guess this is supposed to be liberal humor?
Tear Party Patriot

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<quoted text> you are stupid and not even amusing! I guess this is supposed to be liberal humor?
You are a Rino and a terrorist loving socialist nazi democrud.
IToldYouSo

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BTHS wrote:
Some facts the GOPTea Don’t Want You To Know About Taxes and the Debt:
1. President Obama cut taxes for almost all working Americans
2. Ronald Reagan tripled the National Debt
3. GWBush doubled the National Debt
4. Reagan Raised the Debt Ceiling 17 Times and GWB raised it 7-times
5. The Bush tax cuts didn’t pay for themselves or spur “jobs creators” because they didn’t create jobs
6. Almost all working Americans pay taxes
7. Low Capital Gaines Taxes fuel income inequality
8.…But not investment
9. The Estate tax has virtually no impact on family farms and businesses
10. Income Inequality has reached an 80-year high…
11.…While the Federal Tax Burden has hit a 60 year low
12. McConnell, Boehner, Cantor and Ryan voted to raise the debt 19 times under GWBush
13. The $3 trillion dollar tab for unfunded wars remains unpaid
14. Tax cuts drive the next decade of debt
15. The Ryan budget would require raising the debt ceiling—repeatedly
16. Social Security does not add to the deficit
17. Grover Norquist is not an elected politician, he is a lobbyist, and the GOPTea should not be swearing allegiance to him over their oath of office. The congress has been taking an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States since 1789.
18. Nothing the GOPTea is suggesting is going to solve our debt problem. Please vote-out the GOPTea in 2014.
What's funny are the number of people that have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. All they know is, if they didn't hear it on Shortwave, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh or Fox it cannot be true. The mindless Lemmings don't have a chance.
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Wow. I can't believe I have to write this. It was well known where both Bush and Cheney were on 9-11. W was in Florida making an appearance at a grade school. He was reading to the children when he was informed about what was happening. The video footage of this is historical. Cheney was in DC and was moved to the underground bunker with the chiefs of staff until the situation was under control. There was a time while W was in the air on Air Force 1 that communications broke down and the two parties were unable to communicate. ALL of this was included in the 9-11 commissions report. The cover up is based on one simple issue. On Sept. 11th, why wouldn't you have beefed up security at ALL American embassies, especially those in countries that are pre-dominantly Muslim. And since you didn't do that and people died unnecessarily, you scramble and lie about the whole event to cover your ass. Just like the Clintons, you use others in your staff to take the hits for you. Rice, Petraeus, etc. There is a difference between misinformation and lies. Most people can tell the difference.
You may be on to something. Let's site a few other instances where a President may have used someone as a Patsy.

1. G. Gordon Libby, H.R. Haldeman and others did time so Nixon would be covered (didn't work, he left office in 1975).
2. Scooter Libby (what a name) was the Fall Guy in the Spy Gate case to cover President Bush and Vice President Cheney butts from being accused of giving up classified information thus conpromising national security.
3. Oliver North took the fall as being the master mind of the Iran-Contra arms for hostages scandal during Reagans second term in office.
4. Secretary of State Powell took the fall for supplying the UNITED NATIONS with false claims of Weapons of Mass destruction capability and possession in Iraq (managed to get 100's of thousands of people killed).

Let's not forget the GOP held house of representatives voted to cut the State Departments budget by $300 million dollars (some of which was returned). Three hundred million dollars would have kept a bunch of Military Staff available to beef up security in the first place.

Let's face it, if you put President Obama's neck on the chopping block make sure you add the above President's or just chalk all of it up to the Fog of War.(CHOOSE ONE!)
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Science suggests that after the Big Bang, god smoked a cigarette, rolled over, went to sleep, and hasn't been heard from since.

However, the Bibble teaches that he woke up, knocked up a poor carpenter’s fiancé, convinced the locals that it was a virgin birth, and then threw his illegitimate son under the bus when he turned out to be a liberal. The locals testified that the son appeared to them after his death, a story that perseveres to this day, often as images on the crusts of toasted cheese sandwiches.

Strong Republican CEO core values...
John316

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BTHS wrote:
Science suggests that after the Big Bang, god smoked a cigarette, rolled over, went to sleep, and hasn't been heard from since.
However, the Bibble teaches that he woke up, knocked up a poor carpenter’s fiancé, convinced the locals that it was a virgin birth, and then threw his illegitimate son under the bus when he turned out to be a liberal. The locals testified that the son appeared to them after his death, a story that perseveres to this day, often as images on the crusts of toasted cheese sandwiches.
Strong Republican CEO core values...
You are a sick depressed loser! Go pray to your god Obama and pray for more gov-ment because your moms getting up there in age and your gonna need help when she croaks! What's wrong, need a little help paying for your rent, school loan, food, medical bills? Do you want the government to buy you a car. Do you need free condoms and birth control? Do you want free cable T.V.? How about a free computer with free internet?Come on, you deserve it! Let some business owner buy it for you! They are rich! How dare they have everything when you and your type have nothing? They didnt build that!Obama and the dems can make it right! After all , you are an American! You are OWED! Fair is fair! This isn't right! Work is fo idiots, not career college kids!
Reagan was a MENACE

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john316 wrote:
<quoted text> you are stupid and not even amusing! I guess this is supposed to be liberal humor?
Speaking of idiot, Nostradumbass ... it's "idiot's posts".

And speaking of "stupid", the first letter in a sentence gets capitalized, stupid.

Got that, idiot? Or are you retarded?

No wonder you won't register so I can find you on here. You're too "stupid" to figure out how, idiot!

Your cut-and-run "Coward Count" now stands at TWENTY SIX - that's TWENTY SIX posts of yours since I asked you those 11 questions and TWENTY SIX posts resulting in ZERO answers.

Of course that outcome was predicted in advance by everyone who's not a spineless, sniveling repuke who just LOST THEIR ASS IN THE LAST ELECTION.

TWENTY ONE times you cut and ran from each and every single one of those 11 questions.

And you lied when you said you weren't reading my posts since you quoted back to me what I said in them.

So you're illiterate, stupid, an idiot, a coward and now officially a blatant liar too?

Congrats on that.

That's one hell of a resume you got there!

Now let's get back to those questions you keep running from and see how many more times your crybaby, teabagging republicanism will show itself - let's go for twenty two times shall we?

1) If Dubya said a handful of electoral votes was a "mandate" ... what do you call the thumping Obama just gave your elitist, zero-specifics, lying, draft dodging, flip-flopping, middle-class destroying, out-sourcer in chief there?

2) How did that work out for ya?

How about your party's decision that Obama being a one-term president (at all costs - many of which you mentioned above) should be it's "Number One" priority?

3) How did that work out for ya?

4) Didn't you lose more seats in the Senate?

5) Didn't you lose more seats in the House too?

6) Looks like maybe it's not a good idea to be on the minority side of the poll after poll on gay marriage; gays serving in the military; a path to citizenship; SSI, medicare, medicaid being gutted or privatized; tax increases for the rich; closing tax loopholes; corporate welfare and subsidies; punishing those companies that continue to outsource; etc... now does it?

7) How did that work out for ya?

8) Was it a good idea for your hypocritical BIG spending conservative "Wonder Boy" Paul Ryan to say he doesn't let polls dictate his policy because "leaders change the polls"?

9) How did him not leading and not changing those polls work out for ya?

We told you this was coming if you didn't wise up!

10) How did believing the 68 out 72 fox news hosts and/or on air contributors who predicted the 2012 presidential election WRONG before the results started to come in work out for you?

11) I'll tell you what ... why don't you register your name so I can come find you when you get you behind handed to you next time too?

I'll be waiting to bump up your cut-and-run "Coward Count" again Johni girl!
Reagan was a MENACE

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John316 wrote:
<quoted text> You are a sick depressed loser! Go pray to your god Obama and pray for more gov-ment because your moms getting up there in age and your gonna need help when she croaks! What's wrong, need a little help paying for your rent, school loan, food, medical bills? Do you want the government to buy you a car. Do you need free condoms and birth control? Do you want free cable T.V.? How about a free computer with free internet?Come on, you deserve it! Let some business owner buy it for you! They are rich! How dare they have everything when you and your type have nothing? They didnt build that!Obama and the dems can make it right! After all , you are an American! You are OWED! Fair is fair! This isn't right! Work is fo idiots, not career college kids!
"Fo idiots?"

This ^^^^ from a guy who still can't answer any of my 11 questions from weeks ago, still struggles spelling those pesky three-letter words, doesn't know when to capitalize letters in a sentence or when to use an apostrophe, and (I shit you not!) thinks Lefties are depressed because we didn't let his GOP-led, coordinated, nationwide effort of voter suppression stop us from kicking his party's ass at the polls.

It's hard to tell whether: he's mad because Romney and his teapukes lost so badly after he insisted the opposite would happen; he's pissed because he listened to 68 of 72 morons on Fox news LIE to him; he's in third grade for the fourth straight year; or ALL OF THE ABOVE.

I'd ask him, but I doubt he'd answer since I'm still waiting for those first 11 questions I asked him to get answered.

So I think I'll just wait patiently for him to post again so I can bump that count up!
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Veritas wrote:
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Wow. I can't believe I have to write this. It was well known where both Bush and Cheney were on 9-11. W was in Florida making an appearance at a grade school. He was reading to the children when he was informed about what was happening. The video footage of this is historical. Cheney was in DC and was moved to the underground bunker with the chiefs of staff until the situation was under control. There was a time while W was in the air on Air Force 1 that communications broke down and the two parties were unable to communicate. ALL of this was included in the 9-11 commissions report. The cover up is based on one simple issue. On Sept. 11th, why wouldn't you have beefed up security at ALL American embassies, especially those in countries that are pre-dominantly Muslim. And since you didn't do that and people died unnecessarily, you scramble and lie about the whole event to cover your ass. Just like the Clintons, you use others in your staff to take the hits for you. Rice, Petraeus, etc. There is a difference between misinformation and lies. Most people can tell the difference.
From what I read in the report, Cheney was at the bunker a few minutes after the first strike! Thats pretty fast for not knowing what was happening! Bush was with the school kids, but why didn't he react to it a little differently, almost like he knew, it was going to happen? The look on his face was, am I far enough away to keep from getting blown up? In a report they also stated, binladens family was quickly place on a plane and shipped out of the country. Why? Did Cheney know what was going on and let Bush take the heat for it? After all Cheney had a lot to gain by this war happening! Profit...Bush might have been just dupped. The report also stated, clintons group gave them information
about a possible attack and they choose to not take it? Wouldn't be the first partnership that someone screwed the first in line or as you guys say threw him under the bus.....

Who cut the funding for security over seas? Republicans had control over that didn't they? So if you take away the form of protection, how do you blame someone else? I still don't see how you figure the cover up. You do the best you can with what you have.

Just like my homework, if I choose to goof off when I get home and not do it. Thats my fault and I get the grade for it. I don't stand there and blame my dog.
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<quoted text>Bush even addressed the crowd acknowledging the attack before boarding Air Force One. Maybe this kid was too young to remember or the places he gets his news from dont show it! Instead, he seeks guidance from freaks like the nut case who just so happens to be a patient at the Oak Forest Nut house! sad, really!
John I ssek no guidance from anyone except, I ask a lot of questions.
I believe very little that I read on the internet till proven 100% accurate. Not 75 or 80% but 100%.

As far as watching the news, I watch some nbc...abc...cbs....fox.
Yes I watch fox news.....I like some of the sunday morning talk shows mostly. Some times I agree with bill chrystal and sometimes not.

So you tell me your just as unbiasist as me and watch all the different channels?
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If you guys can take anything to the bank. It's that history is almost always written wrong.

Just like columbus, they still teach in school he discovered america.......we all know thats not true.

They teach there is no life on the moon, but they brought back live organisms from the moon.

Lincoln was from Illinois and built a log cabin...not true..kentucky and never built one.

So how true is the history they write in the books?
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yes sir wrote:
<quoted text>From what I read in the report, Cheney was at the bunker a few minutes after the first strike! Thats pretty fast for not knowing what was happening! Bush was with the school kids, but why didn't he react to it a little differently, almost like he knew, it was going to happen? The look on his face was, am I far enough away to keep from getting blown up? In a report they also stated, binladens family was quickly place on a plane and shipped out of the country. Why? Did Cheney know what was going on and let Bush take the heat for it? After all Cheney had a lot to gain by this war happening! Profit...Bush might have been just dupped. The report also stated, clintons group gave them information
about a possible attack and they choose to not take it? Wouldn't be the first partnership that someone screwed the first in line or as you guys say threw him under the bus.....
Who cut the funding for security over seas? Republicans had control over that didn't they? So if you take away the form of protection, how do you blame someone else? I still don't see how you figure the cover up. You do the best you can with what you have.
Just like my homework, if I choose to goof off when I get home and not do it. Thats my fault and I get the grade for it. I don't stand there and blame my dog.
Fiction can be fun but lets stick to what is known. How would you have the President react in front of a group of children? I thought it was a moment where he acted more presidential than ever. Bottom line is the President is commander and chief. That being said wouldn't you agree that EVERY Sept 11th there should be heightened security for our facilities around the world? Wouldn't you beef up security at those locations that are more volatile than others? No matter the budgetary concerns, American lives are worth it right?
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Paul Krugman: Republicans To Throw 'One Long Tantrum'

If you thought that political gridlock would end with the presidential election, think again.

The next couple of years "seem likely to be one long Republican tantrum," Paul Krugman, the Nobel Prize-winning economist, wrote on his New York Times blog on Sunday. "This is going to be nightmarish."

Krugman referred specifically to House Speaker John Boehner's remarks to Fox News Sunday that "Congress is never going to give up this power" of forcing budget cuts every time the government needs to raise the debt ceiling.

"I've made it clear to the president, that every time we get to the debt limit, we need to cut some reforms that are greater than the increase in the debt limit," Boehner said.

The government faces a perfect storm of sorts. The Obama administration and Congress are negotiating a deal to avert the fiscal cliff, a set of tax hikes and spending cuts scheduled for Jan. 1. Congressional Republicans plan to use the debt ceiling, which the government is scheduled to hit around February, as leverage to get what they want: spending cuts and an extension of all of the Bush tax cuts.

Obama's opening offer to Republicans would effectively eliminate the requirement for Congress to raise the debt ceiling.

The debt ceiling fight last summer damaged the economy. Job growth stalled, and the unemployment rate rose. The government had to borrow at higher interest rates, costing taxpayers $18.9 billion over 10 years.
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IToldYouSo wrote:
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You may be on to something. Let's site a few other instances where a President may have used someone as a Patsy.
1. G. Gordon Libby, H.R. Haldeman and others did time so Nixon would be covered (didn't work, he left office in 1975).
2. Scooter Libby (what a name) was the Fall Guy in the Spy Gate case to cover President Bush and Vice President Cheney butts from being accused of giving up classified information thus conpromising national security.
3. Oliver North took the fall as being the master mind of the Iran-Contra arms for hostages scandal during Reagans second term in office.
4. Secretary of State Powell took the fall for supplying the UNITED NATIONS with false claims of Weapons of Mass destruction capability and possession in Iraq (managed to get 100's of thousands of people killed).
Let's not forget the GOP held house of representatives voted to cut the State Departments budget by $300 million dollars (some of which was returned). Three hundred million dollars would have kept a bunch of Military Staff available to beef up security in the first place.
Let's face it, if you put President Obama's neck on the chopping block make sure you add the above President's or just chalk all of it up to the Fog of War.(CHOOSE ONE!)
Simply put, you are a WACK-A-DOO!

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