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Toj

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#61 Jun 20, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
I think edog is wrong that you can legally keep a loaded gun where a y oung child can have access to it.
But I agree with Race in that what protection can you get from an unloaded gun kept locked away, separate from ammunition (also locked away)?
ZEro. There's no point in even owning it, then, unless you keep it all in your bedroom for middle-of-the-night break-ins.
I'm all for keeping the gun adn the ammunition separate, different rooms, or locked in a safe.

I read an article that said there are safes and to lock up your gun and ammunition. They suggest practice getting your gun out in an emergency situation, that you can get the time down to nothing. Makes sense. Yes it's more work but I think it's a good idea.

Then again, I wouldn't allow a gun in my house. I'm not saying no one can have a gun in their house. I'm saying I wouldn't.

I'd also speak up for someone's right to have a gun if they weren't mentally ill nor a felon and followed the laws, rules and regulations to own one. I, of course, can't think of every situation where it would not be kosher to have a gun but those two things come to mind. Oh -- if you ever committed a violent crime. Ya, I think those people should not own a gun.

I would not be against a mental evaluation as part of licensing. Yes, I know how difficult it would be to set up rules. I'm talking in the general sense. I don't have all the do's and don't
lined up.

Toj

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#62 Jun 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Not that I'm above doing it myself, but you've ALL been splitting hairs with this all day. You included.
Probably have. We do that.

Toj

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#63 Jun 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Well why don't we just clear this up right now.
Race & Toj, would each of you please explain exactly why you think edogg is stupid. Be specific.
:)
I explained it. I guess it was for the wrong reason. Maybe I should have said "because it's edog" ?

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#64 Jun 20, 2013
Thank you for noticing that.
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Well why don't we just clear this up right now.
Race & Toj, would each of you please explain exactly why you think edogg is stupid. Be specific.
:)

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#65 Jun 20, 2013
Mental evaluation? Your wacked! I dont have to prove I am sane enough to own a weapon, I only have to show that I was never declared insane. Who is going to decide the criteria? This is just a truly ignorant statement. I dont have to prove my right to own a weapon.

Thats where you anti gun nuts get it all wrong. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN GUNS!!! I dont need to pass a test, take an eye exam or piss in a cup. The only reason I can be denied owning a weapon is if my PAST history proves me ineligible. What I may or may not do in the FUTURE is pure speculation.

Quit trying to impede my rights with your fears and backwards logic.
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm all for keeping the gun adn the ammunition separate, different rooms, or locked in a safe.
I read an article that said there are safes and to lock up your gun and ammunition. They suggest practice getting your gun out in an emergency situation, that you can get the time down to nothing. Makes sense. Yes it's more work but I think it's a good idea.
Then again, I wouldn't allow a gun in my house. I'm not saying no one can have a gun in their house. I'm saying I wouldn't.
I'd also speak up for someone's right to have a gun if they weren't mentally ill nor a felon and followed the laws, rules and regulations to own one. I, of course, can't think of every situation where it would not be kosher to have a gun but those two things come to mind. Oh -- if you ever committed a violent crime. Ya, I think those people should not own a gun.
I would not be against a mental evaluation as part of licensing. Yes, I know how difficult it would be to set up rules. I'm talking in the general sense. I don't have all the do's and don't
lined up.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#66 Jun 20, 2013
Toj wrote:
I'm all for keeping the gun adn the ammunition separate, different rooms
A lot of good THAT will do you when someone breaks in...
Toj wrote:
or locked in a safe.
I read an article that said there are safes and to lock up your gun and ammunition.
When my house was burglarized (the second time) my safe was stolen. Luckily, there wasn't a gun in there.

I will NEVER keep a gun in a safe, and I think you're an idiot if you do.

Safes, cases, lock boxes, etc, are the FIRST things a burglar are gonna swipe.

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#67 Jun 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
or they drop it and it discharges
You're watching too many movies. While there might be a one in a million chance of a gun discharging from being dropped (especially an old-model gun, and I'm talking circa early 1900s, most modern guns have safeguards to prevent that) it is highly unlikely and improbable such a thing would happen.

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#68 Jun 20, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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You're watching too many movies. While there might be a one in a million chance of a gun discharging from being dropped (especially an old-model gun, and I'm talking circa early 1900s, most modern guns have safeguards to prevent that) it is highly unlikely and improbable such a thing would happen.
I don't know nothing bout guns. Since you seem to be the expert...

Tell me how this happened in 2012?
http://www.wcti12.com/news/Police-4-year-old-...

Or this in 2012?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/3-ye...

Or this in 2012?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/14/3-year-o...

Or this in April this year?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/09/us-...

Are these stories all lies? Liberal anti-gun nuts in a conspiracy shooting others and themselves and blaming it on the kids?

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Since: May 09

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#69 Jun 20, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
I don't know nothing bout guns. Since you seem to be the expert...
Tell me how this happened in 2012?
http://www.wcti12.com/news/Police-4-year-old-...
Or this in 2012?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/3-ye...
Or this in 2012?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/14/3-year-o...
Or this in April this year?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/09/us-...
Are these stories all lies? Liberal anti-gun nuts in a conspiracy shooting others and themselves and blaming it on the kids?
None of those stories were of a gun going off from being dropped. And the one about the gun going off in the backpack that was set on the desk? Eh... I'm a bit leery of that one.

And while I don't believe they are conspiracies of adults framing children for murder, there are three sides to every story: his side, her side, and the truth.

A parent/spouse gets careless with a gun. Ooops! Now they're facing prison time. "But your honor! My uh... my TODDLER is actually the one who did the shooting! Yeah! Yeah, that's what happened!"

I'm not the one to swallow those stories hook, line, and sinker without having a shred of doubt.

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#70 Jun 20, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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None of those stories were of a gun going off from being dropped.
I never said they were. They were stories of someone being shot by a 3 or 4 year old. Children that you claim could not pull the trigger. So if it didn't go off by being ropped and they are unable to pull the trigger, I'm looking for the gun expert's assessment of what happened.
edogxxx wrote:
And while I don't believe they are conspiracies of adults framing children for murder, there are three sides to every story: his side, her side, and the truth.
A parent/spouse gets careless with a gun. Ooops! Now they're facing prison time. "But your honor! My uh... my TODDLER is actually the one who did the shooting! Yeah! Yeah, that's what happened!"
I'm not the one to swallow those stories hook, line, and sinker without having a shred of doubt.
So you basically you think any story about a child shooting is a lie.

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#71 Jun 20, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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So it's illegal to keep a loaded gun in a four year old's playpen. That I'll grant you. But it's not illegal to keep it where I assume it's out of his reach.(Kitchen table? How low to the ground is your table? What's the average height of a 4 yr old?) But I still call BS on Angela's story because unless the laws in Minnesota are FAR more strict, the man shouldn't have been given anything more than a fine. And I also don't believe most four year olds have the dexterity and strength to point and fire a gun, unless it's quite small.
He got four years in prison. This guy left a loaded gun between the mattress and the headboard, and the toddlers were playing in that room. He also had seven or eight other loaded guns just lying around the house (although that didn't factor into the charge of manslaughter, it was presented as evidence that he was extremely careless with firearms in a house with young children).

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#72 Jun 20, 2013
toj, it's not down to "nothing." It's a couple of minutes. I read about one woman who ran practice drills in the middle of the night (set her alarm) and got it down to like 30 seconds. but most people aren't going to do that.

Toj

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#73 Jun 20, 2013
RACE wrote:
Mental evaluation? Your wacked! I dont have to prove I am sane enough to own a weapon, I only have to show that I was never declared insane. Who is going to decide the criteria? This is just a truly ignorant statement. I dont have to prove my right to own a weapon.
Thats where you anti gun nuts get it all wrong. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN GUNS!!! I dont need to pass a test, take an eye exam or piss in a cup. The only reason I can be denied owning a weapon is if my PAST history proves me ineligible. What I may or may not do in the FUTURE is pure speculation.
Quit trying to impede my rights with your fears and backwards logic.
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Ha ha! That's funny.

It's not all about you. I specifically said it was a general thing I was thinking and did not have all the do's and don'ts and that it would be dicey and an undertaking. New rules and regulations are made all the time that we have to adher to.

Lucky for you I don't make those rules and regulations so I have no idea why you're squawking to much. Makes you sound paranoid.

Toj

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#74 Jun 20, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
toj, it's not down to "nothing." It's a couple of minutes. I read about one woman who ran practice drills in the middle of the night (set her alarm) and got it down to like 30 seconds. but most people aren't going to do that.
I agree, most people would not. It's sad that most people would not take it that seriously. They should.

Toj

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#75 Jun 20, 2013
RACE wrote:
Mental evaluation? Your wacked! I dont have to prove I am sane enough to own a weapon, I only have to show that I was never declared insane. Who is going to decide the criteria? This is just a truly ignorant statement. I dont have to prove my right to own a weapon.
Thats where you anti gun nuts get it all wrong. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN GUNS!!! I dont need to pass a test, take an eye exam or piss in a cup. The only reason I can be denied owning a weapon is if my PAST history proves me ineligible. What I may or may not do in the FUTURE is pure speculation.
Quit trying to impede my rights with your fears and backwards logic.
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BTW, I guess it's not a new idea. I did not see this when I wrote my thought that I believed it might not be a bad idea to have a psych eval for potential gun owners. Guess that's been a debate. Did know.

Anyways, http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-anyone-...

Go post there and tell them how crazy they are.

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Since: May 09

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#76 Jun 21, 2013
Mister Tonka wrote:
I never said they were. They were stories of someone being shot by a 3 or 4 year old. Children that you claim could not pull the trigger. So if it didn't go off by being ropped and they are unable to pull the trigger, I'm looking for the gun expert's assessment of what happened.
I was arguing your claim that a gun can go off by being dropped. And I already explained my assessment of what MIGHT/COULD have happened.
Mister Tonka wrote:
So you basically you think any story about a child shooting is a lie.
I never said that and will not defend a comment I never made.

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#77 Jun 21, 2013
Yes, it is all about me. Your the one trying to yoke my rights.

I am paranoid because you are ignorant.

Your general thing is just warm fuzzy legislation, and not a wish at all, but rather a nightmare. How about you actually consider my rights before you spout such nonsense. You have no idea why I am squawking? Really? Then maybe you should take the time to actually read what it is you write.

To say, "well, I dont have all the do's and dont's" is the same as saying you dont care about my rights at all, and you will simply work to circumvent them in pursuit of your agenda.
If you actually took the time to consider you would realize what a foolish proposal it is and never even mention it.

I will squawk as long as you keep spouting jibberish.
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
Ha ha! That's funny.
It's not all about you. I specifically said it was a general thing I was thinking and did not have all the do's and don'ts and that it would be dicey and an undertaking. New rules and regulations are made all the time that we have to adher to.
Lucky for you I don't make those rules and regulations so I have no idea why you're squawking to much. Makes you sound paranoid.

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#78 Jun 21, 2013
They are crazy if they support such an idea. Instead, how about you go there and join in their mantra, crazy loves crazy you know.
Toj wrote:
<quoted text>
BTW, I guess it's not a new idea. I did not see this when I wrote my thought that I believed it might not be a bad idea to have a psych eval for potential gun owners. Guess that's been a debate. Did know.
Anyways, http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-anyone-...
Go post there and tell them how crazy they are.

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