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“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#1 Jun 20, 2013
DEAR ABBY: The letter you printed from "Gun-Shy in South Carolina" (March 5), about the antics of her gun-toting, alcoholic father-in-law, caught my attention. I'm a former mental health clinician and program inspector. I discussed that letter with a friend who is a psychiatrist.

"Grandpa" has probably already violated a municipal ordinance regarding discharging a firearm in corporate limits. I agree with you that he has endangered his grandchildren. My friend advised that, according to the local interpretation of mental health statutes, Grandpa might be eligible for involuntary commitment and evaluation in a psychiatric facility. He could be disarmed by the police, if necessary.

"Gun-Shy" should heed her motherly instincts, stay home and refuse to visit Grandpa until he enters treatment. Otherwise there's a high probability that she will mourn the loss of one or more dead children.

Grandpa seems to think that booze and guns make him brave. A brave person is a military medic, a member of the U.S. Coast Guard and the thousands of first responders who demonstrate their bravery by saving human lives, not threatening them. In fact, many Medal of Honor recipients earn the award not by the number of enemies killed, but lives saved.-- RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER IN PENNSYLVANIA

DEAR RESPONSIBLE: I agree. Some readers felt I should have been tougher in my response, and that Gun-Shy and her children should not visit Grandpa at all. Failure to act on her fears is called child endangerment and could result in the children being taken away. Readers let me have it with both barrels:

DEAR ABBY: Your answer to "Gun-Shy" was off the mark! As a vet and former law enforcement officer, I think the whole family is in "wimp" mode. For adults to watch a drunk adult fire a gun in the air around his family and not call 911 was ignorant and dangerous. All states have laws about firing guns in the air (illegal), firing guns while drunk (illegal), unsecured loaded weapons (illegal), and firing guns around children in a home environment (illegal). That jerk should have been arrested!-- SMOKEY IN FLORIDA

DEAR ABBY: Thank you for reminding your readers that when someone shoots a gun into the air, the bullet comes down somewhere. A child near my hometown died last New Year's Eve when she stepped outside with her grandmother to watch the fireworks and a bullet fell to earth and lodged in her brain. The police believe the gun may have been fired from a few miles away.-- CHRISTINA IN MARYLAND

DEAR ABBY: Why didn't you suggest a family intervention for the grandfather's alcoholism? The family could be helped by going to Al-Anon to learn how to detach with love from his disease. Alcoholics need to understand how their drinking affects them and others. Possible estrangement from his grandchildren might be a way to break through his denial.-- STEVE C. IN SAN FRANCISCO

DEAR ABBY: My friend Michelle died last July Fourth. She was killed because someone fired a gun into the air. She was beautiful, talented and left behind a fiance, a mother, a sister and many friends. She was receiving her Ph.D., was a brilliant researcher for the CDC and had just picked up her wedding gown. She was the victim of a senseless act caused by someone's carelessness.-- MARSHA IN MICHIGAN

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Braidwood, IL

#2 Jun 20, 2013
Anyone who owns a gun is a paranoid mental case!

And 2- There are no laws against having a loaded, unsecured gun in your own house. Idiot.

As for 4- How was she killed by someone firing a gun into the air? Was she sky-diving at the time?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#3 Jun 20, 2013
How timely.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#4 Jun 20, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
Anyone who owns a gun is a paranoid mental case!
And 2- There are no laws against having a loaded, unsecured gun in your own house. Idiot.
Depends. A dad here was prosecuted this summer for keeping a loaded gun in his bed. Four-year-old found it, shot and killed two-year-old brother. Dad got four years for not keeping the gun away from the kids.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#5 Jun 20, 2013
Wow, I googled "michelle CDC bullet" and found the last LW's friend on wiki:

July 4, 2012: A 34-year woman, Michelle Packard, was struck in the head while watching the fireworks with her family. The police believe the shot could have come from a mile away

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#6 Jun 20, 2013
Shooting at the walls of heartache
Bang!
Bang!
I am the warrior

Sorry, it just popped into my head after the first letter...

“Where is Tonka?”

Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me! Charlie

#7 Jun 20, 2013
You'll take my booze from my cold dead....oh, You'll take my gun from my drunken ... gee, that dont work either.

Sure, gramps can have a little fun, but since your so paranoid (seriously, I cant believe an entire family would let gramps run around firing his gun in the air while he was swilling Jack Daniels) I think you are just seeing booze and a weapon and drawing the most horrible conclusion. And I bet you dollars to that cops doughnuts he has fired his weapon with a couple under his belt.
Stina

Saint Petersburg, FL

#8 Jun 20, 2013
This has happened quite a few times in Tampa Bay. I live in the kind of neighborhood where I can totally see this happening, so every New Years and 4th of July, I keep myself, my daughter and my dogs inside!!!

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#9 Jun 20, 2013
I just read a story from somewhere in eastern europe where an ameteur soccer goalie played a whole game with a bullet lodged in his head. He thought he just had a bad headache from partying too hard, but he had been struck with a bullet from a gun fired into the air at a wedding about half a mile away.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Darby, PA

#10 Jun 20, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Depends. A dad here was prosecuted this summer for keeping a loaded gun in his bed. Four-year-old found it, shot and killed two-year-old brother. Dad got four years for not keeping the gun away from the kids.
I call bs. I can keep a loaded gun on my kitchen table and not be breaking any laws. Maybe he was prosecuted for not supervising a four and two year old?

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#11 Jun 20, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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I call bs. I can keep a loaded gun on my kitchen table and not be breaking any laws. Maybe he was prosecuted for not supervising a four and two year old?
Child endangerment, yes.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#12 Jun 20, 2013
I think the first letter does a grave disservice to the cause that "Responsible Gun Owner" is arguing. It is way too extreme to suggest involuntary psychiatric commitment . Taking this extreme a position is inflammatory.

Dog-
having a loaded unsecured gun may not be illegal but if someone else gets unauthorized access to it ( he took his uncle's gun from the closet to go gang-banging) or if a child gets hurt (child endangerment) they get you that way , at least in Illinois.

A couple weeks ago there wa a news article about a guy who was doing something perfectly legal with his hand gun at home, when his buddy stopped by with his 5 year old unexpectedly. The kid got to the gun and someone died- I can't remember if it was the kid or the dad.. I am not sure if anyone, gun owner, surviving grownup etc was charged.

Gasoline isn't illegal
Matches aren't illegal
Using both together creates a problem.

Guns aren't illegal
Booze isn't illegal
Using both together....

But all you would get if you Baker Act'd a drunk gun owner is 3 days later a hung over angry gun owner with booze in the house. And who exactly is going to pay for this mental care to re-program those brains?

No, for eh original LW,just keep herself and her kid away from FIL when he has access to booze and/or guns.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#13 Jun 20, 2013
Child endangerment (and manslaughter) charges. So while if you're single, you get to leave loaded guns lying around, if you're a parent it's not so "legal."

“Fort Kickass”

Since: Sep 09

Bloomington, IL

#14 Jun 20, 2013
You can't spell 'manslaughter' without 'laughter'.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#15 Jun 20, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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I call bs. I can keep a loaded gun on my kitchen table and not be breaking any laws. Maybe he was prosecuted for not supervising a four and two year old?
Your stupidity is showing.

“...,to wit”

Since: Jun 09

Location hidden

#16 Jun 20, 2013
Toj wrote:
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Your stupidity is showing.
Knee jerk response. What in his statement is stupid?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Darby, PA

#17 Jun 20, 2013
Matilda77 wrote:
You can't spell 'manslaughter' without 'laughter'.
Bwahaha!

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Darby, PA

#18 Jun 20, 2013
PEllen wrote:
I think the first letter does a grave disservice to the cause that "Responsible Gun Owner" is arguing. It is way too extreme to suggest involuntary psychiatric commitment . Taking this extreme a position is inflammatory.
Dog-
having a loaded unsecured gun may not be illegal but if someone else gets unauthorized access to it ( he took his uncle's gun from the closet to go gang-banging) or if a child gets hurt (child endangerment) they get you that way , at least in Illinois.
A couple weeks ago there wa a news article about a guy who was doing something perfectly legal with his hand gun at home, when his buddy stopped by with his 5 year old unexpectedly. The kid got to the gun and someone died- I can't remember if it was the kid or the dad.. I am not sure if anyone, gun owner, surviving grownup etc was charged.
Gasoline isn't illegal
Matches aren't illegal
Using both together creates a problem.
Guns aren't illegal
Booze isn't illegal
Using both together....
But all you would get if you Baker Act'd a drunk gun owner is 3 days later a hung over angry gun owner with booze in the house. And who exactly is going to pay for this mental care to re-program those brains?
No, for eh original LW,just keep herself and her kid away from FIL when he has access to booze and/or guns.
I had some guns stollen from my house once.(just some punk kid, he was caught) The detective said the thought about bringing charges against me for not "securing" them good enough. I was like, please do, you'll make me a millionaire! Course they never did.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#19 Jun 20, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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I had some guns stollen from my house once.(just some punk kid, he was caught) The detective said the thought about bringing charges against me for not "securing" them good enough. I was like, please do, you'll make me a millionaire! Course they never did.
That is nuts. You have no kids in your home. I should be able to leave 20 loaded guns lying around in my locked home. No kids have access to my home.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#20 Jun 20, 2013
PEllen wrote:
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Knee jerk response. What in his statement is stupid?
"I call bs. I can keep a loaded gun on my kitchen table and not be breaking any laws. Maybe he was prosecuted for not supervising a four and two year old? "

He is either picking a fight or can't grasp the concept that an individual can indeed get prosecuted for having a loaded gun laying around.

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