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Aug 7, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
3- You are wasting an education if you just plan on being a stay at home mom. If that's your goal in life, more power to you, but don't bother with college.
Education is never a waste, IMHO. It's money well spent. Many SAHMs return to the workforce when their kids are older.

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Aug 7, 2013
 
Aisle Sitter wrote:
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and what shoudl a girl do when her husband keels over and dies with no warning? Or when his mental illness manifests itself and the family needs some financial stabiltiy and medical insurance?
i know people in both circumstances. luckiliy, the first one was already working (don't nkow her whole history, but i think she may have stayed home with the kids when they were younger). and the second one has had a couple different jobs to make family ends meet. She had to give up one that she loved in order to take one with isnurance.
It's one thing to take a few years off to raise a kid, but I'm talking about the ones who have every intention of being a Suzie Homemaker their whole lives. Those women will expect a man to take care of them. Death? Eh, that's what life insurance is for. Marriage doesn't work out? Find a new man. Those aren't the type of woman to get an education as a backup plan just in case. You're degree will be worthless 20, 30 years down the road anyway, especially with no experience.

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#23
Aug 7, 2013
 
1: You don't know the reason(s)? I bet you do, or at least suspect you do. Here's the crux of the whole thing, she is thirtyfuckingyearsold. Respect that. Who the hell do you think you are to ge telling stuff about one adult to another adult? I'm with Red. Drop contact. I don't trust you either.

2: Yeah, go for it. Email him, cyber stalk him, real life stalk him. He wants you as badly as you wan't him, he just doesn't realize it yet. And he will never, ever cheat on you.

3: Ok.

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Aug 7, 2013
 
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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I have a manager's jersey just for you!
I don't want to be a manager...too much responsibility, but could I maybe have a head coach jacket?

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Aug 7, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
3- You are wasting an education if you just plan on being a stay at home mom. If that's your goal in life, more power to you, but don't bother with college.
Aisle Sitter wrote:
and what shoudl a girl do when her husband keels over and dies with no warning?
Sublime1 wrote:
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Or divorces you or treats you badly, such that you would like to divorce him, but know you will have a hard time making it on your own flipping burgers.
AS & Sub, I agree that a woman needs to be able to support herself if one of these unfortunate circumstances arise, but to me, those seem more like reasons to not be a SAHM and to instead be a working wife than reasons to get a college education with no intention of using it. I graduated in 1994. If I got married to a sugar momma right out of college and never got a job using my degree, how much value do you think that degree would have if 10 years later my wife kicked me to the curb? In 2004, I've never had a job using my degree. I'm out in the job market and my competition is either people who actually have real world job experience or new college graduates who's college coursework is more current/relevant than mine as well as fresher in their head. Do you really think there is much value in a decade(or more) old degree that has no job experience to support it?

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Aug 7, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
It's one thing to take a few years off to raise a kid, but I'm talking about the ones who have every intention of being a Suzie Homemaker their whole lives....You're degree will be worthless 20, 30 years down the road anyway, especially with no experience.
I agree.

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#27
Aug 7, 2013
 
Tonka,
It's better to have an education/degree and not need it or use it, than to someday need it and not have it.
As long as we keep up our mandatory continuing education, we're good to go whether we work or not.
Granted, if someone has been out of the field for awhile, they might come in at a lower pay grade, but they would still be fully qualified.
That's the thing though, if we let our licenses lapse, we are then in big trouble.

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#28
Aug 7, 2013
 
This is a classic argument for gun ownership.

(just figured I'd throw that in the pot)
loose cannon wrote:
Tonka,
It's better to have an education/degree and not need it or use it, than to someday need it and not have it.
As long as we keep up our mandatory continuing education, we're good to go whether we work or not.
Granted, if someone has been out of the field for awhile, they might come in at a lower pay grade, but they would still be fully qualified.
That's the thing though, if we let our licenses lapse, we are then in big trouble.

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Aug 7, 2013
 
loose cannon wrote:
Tonka,
It's better to have an education/degree and not need it or use it, than to someday need it and not have it.
As long as we keep up our mandatory continuing education, we're good to go whether we work or not.
Granted, if someone has been out of the field for awhile, they might come in at a lower pay grade, but they would still be fully qualified.
That's the thing though, if we let our licenses lapse, we are then in big trouble.
2 things

1) Are you awarded a license upon getting a degree or is there further work, testing involved?

2) I'd don't think edog's premise included people who continued their education after getting their degree(at least that's how I took it).

In your scenario, they have a license involved and RECENT education and schooling under their belt and therefore, would measure up more favorably against recent graduates than would someone who has not had any school or work experience since they graduated a decade ago(and likely has no license).
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Aug 7, 2013
 
I, of course, advocate education.
I see my loans as an investment. I have 0 credit card balance, my car is paid off...but I need this advanced degree to get the job I'm after.

At least a Bachelor's for everyone.

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Aug 7, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
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AS & Sub, I agree that a woman needs to be able to support herself if one of these unfortunate circumstances arise, but to me, those seem more like reasons to not be a SAHM and to instead be a working wife than reasons to get a college education with no intention of using it. I graduated in 1994. If I got married to a sugar momma right out of college and never got a job using my degree, how much value do you think that degree would have if 10 years later my wife kicked me to the curb? In 2004, I've never had a job using my degree. I'm out in the job market and my competition is either people who actually have real world job experience or new college graduates who's college coursework is more current/relevant than mine as well as fresher in their head. Do you really think there is much value in a decade(or more) old degree that has no job experience to support it?
even thoguh it may not be relevant any more, there are some jobs that "require" taht the "college degree?" box be checked. SIL is finding that this is a requirement for a lot of basic clerical jobs nowadays. never mind that she ran a business (administrated, really) for several years, she isn't "qualified" for some secretarial/office support jobs becuase she didn't go beyond a HS education...

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Aug 7, 2013
 
Aisle Sitter wrote:
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even thoguh it may not be relevant any more, there are some jobs that "require" taht the "college degree?" box be checked. SIL is finding that this is a requirement for a lot of basic clerical jobs nowadays. never mind that she ran a business (administrated, really) for several years, she isn't "qualified" for some secretarial/office support jobs becuase she didn't go beyond a HS education...
Good point, but it still seems like a very expensive backup plan if the only leg up it gets you is fulfilling the minimum requirement to be considered for a low paying clerical job. That college money would probably serve them better if they invested it for a rainy day.

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Aug 7, 2013
 
cheluzal wrote:
I, of course, advocate education.
I see my loans as an investment. I have 0 credit card balance, my car is paid off...but I need this advanced degree to get the job I'm after.
At least a Bachelor's for everyone.
I'm all for education as well, but unless you have some intention to use it professionally, I see paying for it as a waste. Libraries, bookstores, and the web. The resources available are endless for whatever you want to learn. Reading books on your own will not get you a degree, license, or certification, but I contend that you can LEARN just as much(or close to it) on your own as you can in a class room as long as you put the work in, you just won't have any accredited measure of what you learned.(Granted, for some fields of study, you can' get the full effect going it solo if there is some necessary equipment involved that you have no access to at home).

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Aug 7, 2013
 

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Aisle Sitter wrote:
even thoguh it may not be relevant any more, there are some jobs that "require" taht the "college degree?" box be checked. SIL is finding that this is a requirement for a lot of basic clerical jobs nowadays.
And that's part of the problem, you need a bachelors degree to land a job flipping burgers anymore. You can get a degree in things like "communications" or "philosophy." Yeah, good luck with that.

But let's face it, your 20 year old degree with absolutely no work experience is completely useless.

Learning the trades is just as equally important, but that's not being pushed. A plumber or mechanic can make much more than someone with some pointless, out of date degree.

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Aug 7, 2013
 
cheluzal wrote:
I see my loans as an investment.
I view mine as the most expensive party I'll ever have in my life!
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Aug 7, 2013
 
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text> Reading books on your own will not get you a degree, license, or certification, but I contend that you can LEARN just as much(or close to it) on your own as you can in a class room as long as you put the work in, you just won't have any accredited measure of what you learned.
And I've never disagreed with this, but not having a simple bachelor's will rule you out of many jobs.

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Aug 7, 2013
 
edogxxx wrote:
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And that's part of the problem, you need a bachelors degree to land a job flipping burgers anymore. You can get a degree in things like "communications" or "philosophy." Yeah, good luck with that.
But let's face it, your 20 year old degree with absolutely no work experience is completely useless.
Learning the trades is just as equally important, but that's not being pushed. A plumber or mechanic can make much more than someone with some pointless, out of date degree.
I agree about the trades. I was almost an operating engineer (hoister/crane operator) but I decided to go the clerical route instead (at the time I was not interested in getting up at 4am).

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Aug 8, 2013
 
Astronaut comes to mind....
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text> (Granted, for some fields of study, you can' get the full effect going it solo if there is some necessary equipment involved that you have no access to at home).

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